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Operation Moshtarak Thread: Afghan flag hoisted over Marjah

Afghanistan: Taliban 'vanish' before Nato offensive

It is estimated there were between 400 and 1,000 militants based in southern Helmand before Nato forces launched Operation Moshtarak.

Correspondents say most of the Taliban appear to have scattered, leaving behind many roadside bombs.

However the fear is they may be waiting to regroup and stage attacks later.

Frank Gardner reports from Kandahar.

15000+ soldiers searching for enemy :lol:


didnt the TTP vanish in Swat and SW? remember? they are still powerful in pakistan and capable of killing people just like Afghani Taliban, ttp's base of support among the Pakhtoons is still strong especially the FATA. they dont face the enemy but make the civilians a shield and other places attack them like the Afghani taliban.
 
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Fascinating graphs Sherdil76.

"Thirty six percent reduction? I am all too aware of these statistical gimmicks..."

You seem to be regressing with time. Last I saw 2007. Where's 2009? Too gimmicky?:lol:

"...their big mouths never stop talking dirty about Taliban."

The taliban are scum. There's so much to talk dirty about.

"...concept of Punishment is to impose something unpleasant or aversive on a person in response to disobedience, defiance, or behavior deemed morally wrong by law. which act as a measure of prevention to those who are contemplating illicit/unwanted activity"

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She got your message loud and clear. She'd like to say she's sorry for attending school and doing something "...deemed morally wrong by law" but it hurts too much. Can she have her face back now?:angry:

Thanks.:usflag:
 
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didnt the TTP vanish in Swat and SW? remember? they are still powerful in pakistan and capable of killing people just like Afghani Taliban, ttp's base of support among the Pakhtoons is still strong especially the FATA. they dont face the enemy but make the civilians a shield and other places attack them like the Afghani taliban.

A very wrong illusion you have got there.

TTP never had a strong base of support among the Pushtuns, their base of support in the areas where they were was based on the fear they had brought with themselves by killing the elders of the local tribes and killing of anyone who opposed them.
 
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I know its about the so called 'sole source' of income but than why hue and cry? On one hand the occupation forces/puppet Kabul regime allow the poppy (based on 'humanitarian' reason), on the other hand they complaint that Taliban/insurgents are benefiting from this. On one hand the poppy farmers are called 'poor farmers', on the other hand, they are also called the 'Taliban working in poppy fields'.

Lets assume for a short period of time that the occupation forces/puppet Kabul regime is letting the 'poor farmers' grow poppy because that is the only source of their 'livelihood', why the poppy harvest is simply not bought out by the 'poor farmers' and destroyed by the occupation forces/puppet Kabul regime? That way, the trafficking of poppy harvest will be controlled through which (by imposing tax) the Taliban/insurgents are claimed to make money.

None of this is happening because cash starved occupation forces are not in a position to throw more cash in the black hole called 'corrupt Kabul regime'. Hence its not only Taliban/insurgents who are benefiting from poppy, but the puppet Kabul regime as much, in fact more. There were several reports on the extremely shady role of the Government officials in particularly Ahmed Wali Karzai (brother of Puppet President Karza) in the drug business.

Its because like every other crop, poppy does not give quality harvest in every part of the world. Some regions of Afghanistan are simply not suitable to grow poppy because of the soil and/or climate.

Dear Q,

There are lot of reasons why we wish to turn a blind eye for this moment about the poppy cultivation but that does not mean we are not evolving other strategies to combat them at another level.

I know for a fact that we are going after the International Financiers and the middle men involved in this trade in Europe, Pakistan and AF. It is better to get these guys and choke their funds than deprive for the moment a poor farmer of his livelihood.

The US was vastly mislead by Gen M about the capabilities of the PA in taking over SWAT and NWFP. Its only of late that the PA has realised that by the time they get the old kind of strategic depth, Pakistan in these changed times would never be able to control its own territory let alone AF.

Just last week you have lost a gunship and a brave Brigadier for failure to control your once blue eyed boys the TTP.

Both side of the borders are lawless areas and unless PA has 100 % writ on its own territory the problem of drugs will not be eradicated. The PA has reluctantly agreed that they are overstretched in their own country so expecting ANA to become effective from day one is an unfair comment.

Regards
 
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A very wrong illusion you have got there.

TTP never had a strong base of support among the Pushtuns, their base of support in the areas where they were was based on the fear they had brought with themselves by killing the elders of the local tribes and killing of anyone who opposed them.

Just curious if TTP were so un-popular why were they the blue eyed boys of the PA a year back. I even remember a Maj. Gen giving a press release stating that.

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They did some mistakes? Is it safe if I say the TTP are good organization and good people, but they have done some mistakes just like the others?

TTP and AT have different agenda and mission , which you fail to understand.:what:
 
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Surprise tactic in Afghanistan offensive befuddles TalibanArticle
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By SAEED SHAH AND JANAN ZERAK - McClatchy Newspapers
LASHKAR GAR, Afghanistan -- U.S. Marines and Afghan forces were airlifted over the Taliban-laid minefields into the center of town in Marjah Saturday, apparently surprising the insurgents and taking strategic positions from them, according to military officials.

Although billed as a major confrontation between the international coalition and Afghan forces and the Taliban, the first day of the offensive in the southern Helmand province saw only sporadic fighting. Two coalition soldiers were killed, along with about 20 insurgents. It was the biggest assault since the fall of the Taliban regime in 2001.

The helicopter airlift into the heart of the city of 80,000 started around 2 a.m. and allowed the troops to quickly establish 11 posts throughout Marjah, while the bulk of the 15,000-man force carefully picked its way over land.

The operation had been deliberately telegraphed in advance for weeks but the military tactics still seem to have surprised the enemy.

"We appear to have caught the insurgents on the hop. He appears to be completely dislocated," Major General Nick Carter, the British officer who is in charge of operations in south Afghanistan, told reporters at his base in Kandahar. "I'm much encouraged by the way things are going but I'm also conscious that this is only the end of the beginning."

Marjah is the last Taliban stronghold in Helmand and also the hub for a thriving heroin business in the province, which fuels the insurgents.

The U.S.-led NATO offensive, called Moshtarak, which means "together," is a joint operation between the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) and Afghan army. It is designed to showcase both Afghan capability and the coalition's new approach to the war.

The extra manpower for Afghanistan announced by President Barack Obama is designed to allow the coalition to not only take territory from the insurgents but now to hold it, while Afghan police and government services come in to make the population feel secure and encourage their interest in the benefits of a stable state presence there.

The majority of Marjah's residents have not evacuated, so the coalition warned remaining residents to stay inside their homes. Locals interviewed by McClatchy claimed that the Taliban were preventing residents from leaving town. The Taliban seemed intent on using homes as firing positions.

As the military attacks against the Taliban have increased in recent months, civilian causalities also have risen.

The Taliban strategy for defending Marjah seemed designed to heighten civilian casualties, thereby undermining the new U.S. strategy for stabilizing Afghanistan, which is focused on "protecting the population."

Hajji Naimat made it from Marjah Saturday morning only by taking a circuitous route, first diverting south to Nawa, before heading north to the provincial capital Lashkar Gah, where several hundred families have taken refuge.

"The area is surrounded by ISAF and ANA (Afghan National Army)," Naimat told McClatchy. "The Taliban are not allowing us to go out (of Marjah). It was only with great difficulty that we made it here."

"Our situation is very bad. The center (of Marjah) is in the hands of ANA and ISAF. We are not allowed to come out of our houses. When the Taliban came to enter our house, we told them: 'For God's sake, to leave us alone,' " said Hajji Sakhidad, speaking by phone from Marjah.

Sakhidad said that, as they were turning the Taliban away from their door, gunfire some distance away injured his cousin.

One British soldier was killed by a roadside bomb while patrolling in a vehicle. The other ISAF casualty, whose nationality was not released, was killed by small arms fire. Initial reports are that he is American.

Separately, a roadside bomb killed three U.S. soldiers in the neighboring province of Kandahar, another violent area, which may be next for a concerted offensive.

In Kabul, Afghanistan's defense minister Abdul Rahim Wardak said the offensive is going according to plan.

"(Marjah) is mined heavily, so we have to be slow. We have to be slow in the process of clearing that area. But so far our advance is as per schedule. There has been sporadic resistance and firing from here and there," Wardak told reporters in Kabul.

The Taliban were given weeks of warning of the operation, in an apparent deliberate attempt to pressure them into simply leaving the town. That provided plenty of time for them to mine and booby-trap the city and the surrounding villages. It is unclear how many of the estimated 2,000 Taliban fighters in Marjah stuck around to confront the Afghan and coalition armies, but, if they followed their typical guerrilla tactics, most would have fled.

Wardak said: "Some of them (Taliban) have already left, there might be several hundred still." The defense minister said troops found burnt copies of the Koran strewn about in Marjah, seemingly in an attempt to malign the foreign soldiers. The desecration of the Muslim holy book caused recent riots in Afghanistan.

"The enemy is playing with people's emotions," Wardak said.

Some 15,000 soldiers are involved in the Marjah operation, with the British soldiers focused on the surrounding villages of Nad-e Ali district. A civilian effort, including Afghans and others from the international community, is supposed to follow just behind the troops.

(Saeed Shah and Janan Zerak are McClatchy special correspondents. Shah reported from Kabul, and Zerak from Lashkar Gah, the capital of Helmand Province.)
 
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A very wrong illusion you have got there.

TTP never had a strong base of support among the Pushtuns, their base of support in the areas where they were was based on the fear they had brought with themselves by killing the elders of the local tribes and killing of anyone who opposed them.

Based on current indications, no amount of troop consolidation and strategy change can yield a reversal of trends in FATA. For any turnaround, the Pakistani state needs to initiate a radical course correction. The state cannot neutralize the insurgency in FATA or elsewhere within the existing ideological paradigms, articulated eloquently by ISI chief Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, who described Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud - the Pakistan Army's most relentless tormentor - as a "true patriot". Shuja Pasha also defended the Taliban in an interview with Der Spiegel, stating: "Shouldn't they be allowed to think and say what they please? They believe that jihad is their obligation. Isn't that freedom of opinion?"

From patriot to being hit by a US patriot missile. The PA / ISI got it so wrong.

Regards
 
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didnt the TTP vanish in Swat and SW? remember? they are still powerful in pakistan and capable of killing people just like Afghani Taliban, ttp's base of support among the Pakhtoons is still strong especially the FATA. they dont face the enemy but make the civilians a shield and other places attack them like the Afghani taliban.

US-NATO general fail to understand the Talaban tactics even after 8 years , why should talaban stay in area to face fire power of ISAF big war machine , they will allow the ducks to land on waters then do just hunting ;)

After failure of operation US general will start blame , we dont have enough soldiers and weapons or our weapons are too heavy to carry, we need more training bla bla bla ----
 
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TTP and AT have different agenda and mission , which you fail to understand.:what:

Based on current indications, no amount of troop consolidation and strategy change can yield a reversal of trends in FATA. For any turnaround, the Pakistani state needs to initiate a radical course correction. The state cannot neutralize the insurgency in FATA or elsewhere within the existing ideological paradigms, articulated eloquently by ISI chief Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, who described Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud - the Pakistan Army's most relentless tormentor - as a "true patriot". Shuja Pasha also defended the Taliban in an interview with Der Spiegel, stating: "Shouldn't they be allowed to think and say what they please? They believe that jihad is their obligation. Isn't that freedom of opinion?"

Not only us but the august company includes the current director of ISI.

Regards
 
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US-NATO general fail to understand the Talaban tactics even after 8 years , why should talaban stay in area to face fire power of ISAF big war machine , they will allow the ducks to land on waters then do just hunting ;)

Unfortunately the ducks are doing the hunting here.

Regards
 
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US-NATO general fail to understand the Talaban tactics even after 8 years , why should talaban stay in area to face fire power of ISAF big war machine , they will allow the ducks to land on waters then do just hunting ;)

After failure of operation US general will start blame , we dont have enough soldiers and weapons or our weapons are too heavy to carry, we need more training bla bla bla ----

Why do you sidestep the TTP issue? didnt they melt away and are still capable of carrying out all sort of powerful attacks? cant you see the parallels?
 
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Based on current indications, no amount of troop consolidation and strategy change can yield a reversal of trends in FATA. For any turnaround, the Pakistani state needs to initiate a radical course correction. The state cannot neutralize the insurgency in FATA or elsewhere within the existing ideological paradigms, articulated eloquently by ISI chief Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, who described Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud - the Pakistan Army's most relentless tormentor - as a "true patriot". Shuja Pasha also defended the Taliban in an interview with Der Spiegel, stating: "Shouldn't they be allowed to think and say what they please? They believe that jihad is their obligation. Isn't that freedom of opinion?"

Not only us but the august company includes the current director of ISI.

Regards

Non sense

We are not discussing TTP here , please dont derail the post topic
 
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Why do you sidestep the TTP issue? didnt they melt away and are still capable of carrying out all sort of powerful attacks? cant you see the parallels?

Non sense

War between TTP and PA is different issue , please reply to my post dont try to derail the post topic
 
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Non sense

We are not discussing TTP here , please dont derail the post topic

No one is derailing the topic. You made a comment on the agendas of TTP and Taliban in this very thread and when i exposed the same which shows even the PA did not find anything wrong with TTP initially and hence you are at a loss with words.

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