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Saudi-led Yemen air war's high civilian toll unsettles U.S. officials

Concerned about reports of hundreds of civilian casualties, Obama administration officials are increasingly uneasy about the U.S. involvement in the Saudi-led air war against rebel militias in Yemen, opening a potential rift between Washington and its ally in Riyadh.

Backed by U.S. intelligence, air refueling and other support, Saudi warplanes have conducted widespread bombing of Yemeni villages and towns since March 26 but have failed to dislodge the Houthi rebels who have overrun much of the Arab world's poorest nation since last fall.

Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, widely regarded as the terrorist network's most lethal franchise, has capitalized on the chaos by sharply expanding its reach. Fighters loyal to the group claimed control Thursday of a military base and other key facilities near Mukalla, an Arabian Sea port in southern Yemen.

Our goal is to try to bring about a political resolution to the conflict. - White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest
Saudi officials said they are not targeting areas with Al Qaeda fighters, however, and are focusing only on the Houthis, a Shiite Muslim minority whom they view as proxies for Iran, Saudi Arabia's regional rival.

With the country sliding into civil war, the United Nations special envoy to Yemen, Jamal Benomar, resigned under pressure Wednesday. Officials said the Moroccan-born diplomat had lost the support of Saudi Arabia and its Persian Gulf allies.

Pentagon officials, who pride themselves on the care they take to avoid civilian casualties, have watched with growing alarm as Saudi airstrikes have hit what the U.N. this week called "dozens of public buildings," including hospitals, schools, residential areas and mosques. The U.N. said at least 364 civilians have been killed in the campaign.


Although U.S. personnel don't pick the bombing targets, Americans are working beside Saudi military officials to check the accuracy of target lists in a joint operations center in Riyadh, defense officials said. The Pentagon has expedited delivery of GPS-guided "smart" bomb kits to the Saudi air force to replenish supplies.

The U.S. role was quietly stepped up last week after the civilian death toll rose sharply. The number of U.S. personnel was increased from 12 to 20 in the operations center to help vet targets and to perform more precise calculations of bomb blast areas to help avoid civilian casualties.

U.S. reconnaissance drones now send live video feeds of potential targets and of damage after the bombs hit. The Air Force also began daily refueling flights last week to top off Saudi and United Arab Emirates fighter jets in midair, outside Yemen's borders, so they can quickly return to the war.

Saudi officials say their goal is to pressure the Houthis to disarm and to reinstate President Abdu Rabu Mansour Hadi. That would require the Houthis to give up virtually all their gains since they captured the capital, Sana, in September and forced Hadi into exile in March.

Gen. Lloyd J. Austin III, commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East, was in Riyadh, the Saudi capital, on Thursday to consult with the kingdom's leaders on their military plans.

A U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity in discussing briefings on the air war, called it a "disaster," saying the Saudis don't have a "realistic endgame" for the bombing.

U.S. officials are especially concerned about Al Qaeda's reemergence in Yemen after years of drone strikes and other counter-terrorism operations had pushed them into the shadows. A special U.S. counter-terrorism team was forced to abandon the country last month.

Fighters loyal to Al Qaeda claimed control of an airport, an oil terminal and a military base outside Mukalla, capital of Hadhramaut province, a stronghold for the terrorist group. This month, the militants robbed a bank and freed hundreds of inmates from a prison in the city. A U.S. official in Washington confirmed most the group's claims.

"They are consolidating their hold of the city and will paralyze the whole coast of Hadhramaut," Nasser Baqazouz, an activist in Mukalla, told the Associated Press. He said government troops guarding the airport put up little resistance.

Yemeni security officials in Sana, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to brief the news media, said commanders of the military brigade responsible for protecting the area fled.

Although they are staunch opponents of Al Qaeda, the Houthis and their allies are caught up in fierce clashes with supporters of Hadi, who is supported by the Obama administration and Sunni Arab nations.

The White House took pains to tamp down reports of a rift with the Saudis, denying a statement by Iraq's visiting prime minister, Haider Abadi, that President Obama had agreed with him that the Saudi airstrikes had gone "too far."

Abadi did not back down but tried to play down the spat. "We have our own opinion on the war in Yemen," Abadi said at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

But U.S. officials also made it clear that they are looking for ways to resolve the crisis. They have not ruled out opening a line of communication with Houthi leaders, although so far intermediaries have been unable to broker an arrangement.

The U.S. has seen indications that Iran is providing weapons and equipment to the Houthis, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said Thursday.

"What continues to be unclear, and there is some skepticism about, is whether or not there is [Iranian] command and control of the activities of the Houthis in Yemen," he said.

Earnest said the Saudis asked for help with the airstrikes, "and we have complied with that request in the form of providing intelligence and logistical support."

What the U.S. "has always believed and continue to impress upon everyone involved in this situation is that our goal is to try to bring about a political resolution to the conflict," he said.

At a Pentagon news conference, Defense Secretary Ashton Carter paused when asked whether the U.S. agreed with Saudi Arabia's decision to bomb Yemen.

"Well, we supported it," he said.

Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the Houthis aspire to restore an ancient empire "that included all of Yemen and parts of southern Saudi Arabia."

"The Saudis are right to be concerned," he said.

The issue is sure to be on the agenda when Obama meets leaders of the Gulf Cooperation Council — Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait, Oman and Bahrain — at the presidential retreat at Camp David next month. He initially invited them to address their concerns about a nuclear deal with Iran.

Analysts see U.S. support for the Saudi intervention as chiefly an attempt to maintain close ties with Riyadh, especially in regard to the emerging nuclear deal with Iran. Saudi officials have avoided public criticism of the April 2 preliminary deal.

"We're doing this not because we think it would be good for Yemen policy; we're doing it because we think it's good for U.S.-Saudi relations," said Ilan Goldenberg, a former Obama administration official who is now with the Center for a New American Security.
 
Saudis support for Al Qaeda and pro Hadi forces is in Houthis hands :

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The only true pictures of Saudi support are the last two pics, and these arms are in Pro Hadi hands, if they had fallen to your dirty Houthi they would have shown them in their propaganda channel Al-Maseera, also who the hell would send a carton box filled with 500s Riyals? there are plenty of ways if KSA wanted to support them financially, furthermore KSA don't send AKs. So if you want to lie at least make it somewhat believable.
 
What did they get that?

Yemeni army had them at least in 2009 in scorched earth but now they these guns aid the houthis.

Houthis and special forces are concentrating on Taiz indiscriminately, where army pledged allegiance facebook president. Apparently some pro-hadi army based Taiz has fled (unconfirmed) even though Saudi are helping them with striking sites linked with republican guard.

The only true pictures of Saudi support are the last two pics, and these arms are in Pro Hadi hands, if they had fallen to your dirty Houthi they would have shown them in their propaganda channel Al-Maseera, also who the hell would send a carton box filled with 500s Riyals? there are plenty of ways if KSA wanted to support them financially, furthermore KSA don't send AKs. So if you want to lie at least make it somewhat believable.

Pro-hadi army and southern separatists are going to use credit cards to pay for fuel and food?
 
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People salvage belongings from a government bank that was hit during an air strike in Yemen's northwestern city of Saada, Yemen, April 16, 2015. Yemeni Vice President Khaled Bahah said on Thursday he hoped a Saudi-led Arab coalition battling Iranian-allied Houthi rebels in Yemen would not send in ground troops. REUTERS/Stringer


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GULF OF OMAN (April 14, 2015) The guided-missile cruiser USS Bunker Hill (CG 52) is underway alongside the Military Sealift Command fleet replenishment oiler Walter S. Diehl (T-AO 193) during a replenishment-at-sea. Bunker Hill is part of the Carl Vinson Carrier Strike Group and will soon depart the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility for its homeport of San Diego after supporting Operation Inherent Resolve, maritime security operations, strike operations in Iraq and Syria as directed, and theater security cooperation efforts in the region. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Bryan Jackson/Released)
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GULF OF OMAN (April 14, 2015) The guided-missile cruiser USS Bunker Hill (CG 52) transits the Gulf of Oman. Bunker Hill is part of the Carl Vinson Carrier Strike Group and will soon depart the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility for its homeport of San Diego after supporting Operation Inherent Resolve, maritime security operations, strike operations in Iraq and Syria as directed, and theater security cooperation efforts in the region. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Bryan Jackson/Released)
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GULF OF OMAN (April 14, 2015) An SH-60 Sea Hawk helicopter from the Red Lions of Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron (HSC) 15 transports supplies to the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70) as the guided-missile cruiser USS Bunker Hill (CG 52) transits the Gulf of Oman. Carl Vinson will soon depart the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility for its homeport of San Diego after supporting Operation Inherent Resolve, maritime security operations, strike operations in Iraq and Syria as directed, and theater security cooperation efforts in the region. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Bryan Jackson/Released)
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Egyptian Commander Says Army Won’t Fight in Yemen, Saudi Fell in US Trap
Local Editor
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The commander of the Egyptian forces in the Gulf war, Major General Mohammad Ali Bilal, said that his troops will fight outside Egypt except in case of defending its national security, in an indirect response to the claims that Cairo would join a possible ground invasion in Yemen.

The Egyptian commander noted that the geographical features of Yemen and the nature of the Yemeni makes any foreign intervention impossible.

Bilal wondered about the role that the US military is playing in Yemen as it was reported that the American troops saved two Saudi pilots in Aden on the second day of the Saudi aggression, hinting at the US role in entrapping Saudi in the war.

He also stressed that although the Egyptian official stance is not publicly announced, it supports the political solution in Yemen and Syria.

Source: Websites

16-04-2015 - 19:38 Last updated 16-04-2015 - 19:38 |
 
Egyptian Commander Says Army Won’t Fight in Yemen, Saudi Fell in US Trap
Local Editor
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The commander of the Egyptian forces in the Gulf war, Major General Mohammad Ali Bilal, said that his troops will fight outside Egypt except in case of defending its national security, in an indirect response to the claims that Cairo would join a possible ground invasion in Yemen.

The Egyptian commander noted that the geographical features of Yemen and the nature of the Yemeni makes any foreign intervention impossible.

Bilal wondered about the role that the US military is playing in Yemen as it was reported that the American troops saved two Saudi pilots in Aden on the second day of the Saudi aggression, hinting at the US role in entrapping Saudi in the war.

He also stressed that although the Egyptian official stance is not publicly announced, it supports the political solution in Yemen and Syria.

Source: Websites

16-04-2015 - 19:38 Last updated 16-04-2015 - 19:38 |


Egypt is a secular state ruled by a secular dictator. Egypt does not care about Houthis whatsoever.
 
Egypt is a secular state ruled by a secular dictator. Egypt does not care about Houthis whatsoever.
Well Egypt has it's hands full in the Sinai I believe. Damn ISIS is blowing up soldiers/police over there every day. They are in no position to go to Yemen. Sure Egypt has a big army, but just like Pakistan, you have to finish your problems at home before intervening abroad.
 
Well, let's just say that if Egypt refuses to move in Yemen, GCC support for al sisi will stop. So he can't risk it, no matter how secular or pragmatic he is. If Egyptians wanted absolute autonomy, then they shouldve kept their elected none-military president.
 
Well, let's just say that if Egypt refuses to move in Yemen, GCC support for al sisi will stop. So he can't risk it, no matter how secular or pragmatic he is. If Egyptians wanted absolute autonomy, then they shouldve kept their elected none-military president.
That's just the point. It's not that simple, it's not either or. What if the Muslim Brotherhood wins in Egypt again? The GCC doesn't like that. So they'd kee supporting Sisi. Sisi does however have practical limits to what his country can do. I can't imagine him just being able to send a couple of divisions into Yemen. I'm not just talking about military casualties either. I think the Egyptian people won't like a war all of the sudden. Egypt's role will be limited to keeping open Bab el Mandeb.

As I said, Egypt has to watch out for the violence of Libya spilling over. And it has it's hands full in the Sinai already. Everybody had it's hands full in the ME unfortunately.Not just regarding Yemen.
 
Well, let's just say that if Egypt refuses to move in Yemen, GCC support for al sisi will stop. So he can't risk it, no matter how secular or pragmatic he is. If Egyptians wanted absolute autonomy, then they shouldve kept their elected none-military president.
Not true at all. Al-Sisi truly believes in Arab collective work in all sectors, maybe he's the most motivated one among Arab leader, and he was the first who called for Arab joint force and pushed for it. The experience Egypt has gone through in Arab Spring made Egyptians believe in Arab nation more than ever as it was abandoned by the world and several world and regional powers tried to get it down.

Iranian stooge Hassan Nasralah is getting literally crazy about Decisive storm and at the same time he is begging Sissi to intervene and stop it.
 
That's just the point. It's not that simple, it's not either or. What if the Muslim Brotherhood wins in Egypt again? The GCC doesn't like that. So they'd kee supporting Sisi. Sisi does however have practical limits to what his country can do. I can't imagine him just being able to send a couple of divisions into Yemen. I'm not just talking about military casualties either. I think the Egyptian people won't like a war all of the sudden. Egypt's role will be limited to keeping open Bab el Mandeb.

As I said, Egypt has to watch out for the violence of Libya spilling over. And it has it's hands full in the Sinai already. Everybody had it's hands full in the ME unfortunately.Not just regarding Yemen.

The internal policies of the GCC countries (especially KSA,UAE) is very complicated and ever changing, it just doesnt show on the surface. UAE outright hates the Muslim brotherhood, KSA doesn't. But the people who were around the late king were all very secular and had their own agendas, they damaged relations with Turkey and Qatar in favor of fighting the Arab spring, they hated the Muslim brotherhood and anything "Islamic" or religious, and they left Iran to its own devices with no strong actions in Syria or Yemen.

Ever since the new king came to power, changes started to happen. the negative rhetoric against the MB in the media stopped, instead Saudi media started clashing with the Egyptian's regime's media outlets. Saudi started mending relations with Turkey and Qatar, retracted previous statement that the MB were terrorists among other things.

Saudi is gradually trying to fix the situation in Egypt, even though many think it's too late. That's why Iran is trying to make something going with Egypt, as you see there's no condemnation or any mentioning of Egypt by Iran or the Houthis, or its airstrikes in Yemen. instead they're trying to flip Egypt on Saudi (with promises for cooperation with Iran in the future I'm sure) They're still hoping Egypt won't completely submit to its main benefactor (Saudi) even though the true benefactor had passed (king Abdullah).
 

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