Operation 'Decisive Storm' | Saudi lead coalition operations in Yemen - Updates & Discussions.

[Irfan Baloch]

What is clear is that no nation should be interfering with anyone's internal affairs. We have the catastrophe that has plagued Syria --- thanks to external support of these so called "moderate rebels" aka militant wahabism that has now morphed into ISIS, ISIL.
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this is exactly what I am trying to convey to my Turkish and other Arabian friends but they continue to insist that FSA are some romantic selfless godsend warriors whereas in their ranks they have butchers from Al Qaeda and the terrorists like TTP from Pakistan who have made movies of playing football with the skulls of our soldiers.

not sure how the supporters of FSA and its affiliate organisations thought that they will remain in line and wont turn back at them. yes Assad is bad , Gadafi was bad but two wrong cant make one right.

and see what was achieved? just gave Al Qaeda a new life and morphed this monster into something that has reached new depths of cruelty and barbarianism where massacres are happening at industrial scale.
the videos say it all, minorities, women, old heritage, books, temples, churches, shrines ... nothing is spared.


yet the proxy war continues, and the hatred for the "wrong" faith and "wrong" sect just saps the minds of ordinary, respectful and educated individuals who gleefully share gory videos and pictures of slain people of opposing side among them..and then cry rivers over the loss of people where they share the ideology and faith.

ISIS or ISIL in its present or further mutated form will devour all those who nurtured its origins directly or indirectly and millions will suffer sadly.

on one hand I wonder why West and its Arabian allies don't learn any lesson, had they not had enough and then I think maybe its all part of the plan.

to be fair (and Politically correct) I must mention Iran as well. just like KSA supported the crown of Bahrain against the local uprising, Iran is helping Assad against FSA.

UK is supporting FSA on one hand and in Ukraine it is siding with the government. the roles are reversed for Russia.
same goes in Yemen. KSA is out with all its fury in the name of safeguarding the legitimate president against the Houthis and the Iranians are directly or indirectly supporting the rebels.

the perpetual turmoil and chaos continues and seems to be self feeding now.

advice for Pakistan and all non ME countries is to stay as far away as possible.

 

[Serpentine]

Today they fired bullets on Yemeni protesters against their coup in Al-Hudaida city.
Till now they have a record of dozens protesters killed and they did not took the power Yet.

Since you care so much about civilian lives: Saudi strikes have killed nearly 50 civilians (much more in unconfirmed reports and injured hundreds). Yet there is no one single proof of Houthis shooting at unarmed protesters.

I for one am against any Pakistani involvement in this whole conflict
But regarding the elections despite them featuring only one candidate they were generally well received at that time in Yemen
Now as in most 3rd world countries the govt. may have been a disappointment due to corruption among other things but the electoral process was uncontroversial
This not me saying this i got this from a UNDP report
Here is the actual quote from the report
"Stakeholders also agreed unanimously that the election was managed competently and efficiently and enjoyed a high voter turnout and uncontroversial result"
Link to the report http://www.ye.undp.org/content/dam/yemen/DemDov/Docs/Evaluation of International Assistance to the early presidential elections_Yemen_2012_final report_v.1.pdf

Here's the thing. Who is the the leader in Pakistan's history you hate the most? Let's assume he gets elected in a single candidate election and UN also confirms it. Are you going to accept that? What's the meaning of an election of there are no other candidates to be compared with?


Here's a post from another member on another forum:

So extremist rebels take over Damascus, Assad is thrown into the sea and gets picked up by Iranian warships. The minorities have two choices, either convert or die under the hands of Islamist rebels. Iran starts airstrikes against Syrian rebels, gets intelligence assistance from the US and accidently targets a UN refugee camp. Iran states we're bombing Syria to insure peace and security and the UN dances the same tune??? (My addition: Will US, UN and Arabs support Iran? Won't they denounce Iran's actions in strongest terms possible and probably even fight us in an actual war?)

 

[raptor22]

I for one am against any Pakistani involvement in this whole conflict
But regarding the elections despite them featuring only one candidate they were generally well received at that time in Yemen
Now as in most 3rd world countries the govt. may have been a disappointment due to corruption among other things but the electoral process was uncontroversial
This not me saying this i got this from a UNDP report
Here is the actual quote from the report
"Stakeholders also agreed unanimously that the election was managed competently and efficiently and enjoyed a high voter turnout and uncontroversial result"
Link to the report http://www.ye.undp.org/content/dam/yemen/DemDov/Docs/Evaluation of International Assistance to the early presidential elections_Yemen_2012_final report_v.1.pdf

But there was a free election in Egypt too ... they didn't support the outcome instead they supported a military coup which toppled elected president and now they are ally...
So it's not about democracy , a free election or defending holy land against evil Iranian ... they want to see a weak Yemen in their doorstep:

Saudi policy on Yemen has traditionally sought to keep the country "on the wobble" – just unstable enough so that it is not a threat – by playing both sides off against each other. If that leads to the rise of extremist groups such as Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) operating inside its borders then so be it, as long as they leave the kingdom to the north alone.​

 

[Decisive Storm]

Very strong points. A ceasefire must be realized and preferably a UN-led peace keeping force should be sent. Then national elections should be made.

External forces (Saudi, Iranian et al) should not intervene.

A cease fire with Houthis having the right to hold their weapons ?
Is just a gift to them to take a breath & restart, then UN will not protect Yemenis or KSA, it will watch & condemns at best.

Any cease fire should include the disarmament of the Houthis militias as a final result.

Elections is a good solution, all Yemenis can accept it, but may be Not Houthis.

 

[Malik Alashter]

To those who say Hadi is the elected president of Yemen to justify the invasion on Yemen (hypocrites in my eye):

A presidential election was held in Yemen on 21 February 2012. Acting President Abd Rabbuh Mansur al-Hadi was the only candidate in the election. He was sworn in as president of Yemen on 25 February 2012 in the Presidential Palace.

With a reported 65% turnout, Hadi won 99.8 percent of the vote.

Yemeni presidential election, 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Maybe compared to Saudi standards, this is called a genuine election, but you guys can't fool everyone around. And they dare to call Assad's election a fake one hence calling him illegitimate. This is the most ridiculous thing. One of their excuses is that Hadi is the elected president and Houthis are Iran's agents. But since rules of jungle apply in the world, Hadi is a fully legitimate president, even according to U.S 'democracy'. Now they have invaded Yemen to save the 'democratic' president, not to mention Saudis' love for freedom of expression and democracy.

This 'elected' leader officially asked foreign nations to invade his country, what a patriotic leader indeed, he doesn't even look like a stooge and he dares to call Houthis Iran's puppets.

This is surely not for an elected leader, not for Yemenis and not for protecting freedom, it's only and only for keeping a good servant in the chair.

And for those Pakistanis who think their country should support Saudis because a Houthi attack on Saudi holy sites is imminent or to protect 'holy lands' (which is a huge lie). You just can't 'defend' an invader and you are not 'defending' Saudis here from anything. If your country helps them, it's only and only because they are Saudis, you surely are not defending anything 'holy', you are simply supporting foreign invasion on a sovereign nation. So please if you at least want to defend this operation, come up with some proper excuses.

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Lastly I've read that they gave hadi a time to impliment what they all had agreed upon, Mr Hadi didn't give any attention.

God this guy Hadi looks so ugly a guy like that no doubt carry tons of vile inside him.
I can't believe a president ask another country to attck his while he already sweard to defend it!!.

God I hate disrespect.

 

[5th Star]

If Ever We Pakistanis want to believe ONE THING... ONE FACT.

It is that

NOT A SINGLE NATION IN THIS REGION WANTS PAKISTAN TO BE STRONG POLITICALLY OR FINANCIALLY...

They want us to be weak so that they don't have to face a power which could hold them from their designs to increase their influence around...

If we, the Pakistani Nation, ever want to prosper... We will have to limit our foreign policy to a standstill for at least 2 decades.

Our diplomatic roles in Riyadh, Tehran, Abu dhabi, Doha & Manama must be limited.

We should make it clear to every one of them that we wont indulge in their mess. EVER.

We pay attention to our home... clean it from terrorism & corruption.

Hang the corrupts & riddle the bodies of terrorists with incendiary bullets.

Keep STRICT CONTROL of RELIGIOUS SEMINARIES of every Sect, as they are the only possible proxies any sectarian neighbor could use against our nation....

Promote STRICT NATIONALISM... PROMOTE PAKISTANISM....

Keep Our both defense lines... internal & external... packed and strong...

IF Any ONE... no matter which sect, province, party does he belongs to... dares to put our Nation in any danger, must be immediately arrested and tried under strict Anti State Laws.... and brought to his fate...

Wish We Ever Do This... For the SAKE of Our Future... For Ourselves.

@Paksanity @PATHAN786KING @Halimi @lutfishah @DESERT FIGHTER @analyist @Malik Abdullah

 

[Red Wolf]

Saudis were not bad surviving in times when Egypt, Iraq, Syria, and Yemen were socialist. I think that Shi'ism to them a greater threat than the ghost of the return of socialism in the region.

• Muslim Brotherhood (MB) in Egypt was elected democratically yet Saudis supported their overthrow despite MB being Sunnis. What gives?
  
• Why is Saudi Arabia saving democracy in Yemen while supporting a dictator in Egypt?

Ideologies change over time, be it communism, socialism, secularism, et al. What doesn't change is one's urge for self-preservation. I'm sure as a Russian you know that better than anyone.

 

[Decisive Storm]

Yet there is no one single proof of Houthis shooting at unarmed protesters.

As always same strategy, justifying a crime by an unconfirmed one (a lie exactly).
Then denying the crimes of whose you support !

As far as I know from many Yemeni sources in the ground in Sana'a & other cities there is no civilian casualty till the moment & Hothis want to Lie about that.
Proof it if there is any.

Proof of Houthis shooting civilians, there are plenty since they are doing that from months ago.

Reuters : Four shot dead in anti-Houthi protests in Yemen's Taiz.
UPDATE 2-Four shot dead in anti-Houthi protests in Yemen's Taiz| Reuters

Newsweek : Houthi Gunmen Fire on Protesters After Clashes Kill 26 in Yemen
http://www.newsweek.com/houthi-gunmen-fire-protesters-after-clashes-kill-26-yemen-306903

Always denying everything.
Then claiming things that did not happen.

 

[Winchester]

Since you care so much about civilian lives: Saudi strikes have killed nearly 50 civilians (much more in unconfirmed reports and injured hundreds). Yet there is no one single proof of Houthis shooting at unarmed protesters.


Here's the thing. Who is the the leader in Pakistan's history you hate the most? Let's assume he gets elected in a single candidate election and UN also confirms it. Are you going to accept that? What's the meaning of an election of there are no other candidates to be compared with?


Here's a post from another member on another forum:

So extremist rebels take over Damascus, Assad is thrown into the sea and gets picked up by Iranian warships. The minorities have two choices, either convert or die under the hands of Islamist rebels. Iran starts airstrikes against Syrian rebels, gets intelligence assistance from the US and accidently targets a UN refugee camp. Iran states we're bombing Syria to insure peace and security and the UN dances the same tune??? (My addition: Will US, UN and Arabs support Iran? Won't they denounce Iran's actions in strongest terms possible and probably even fight us in an actual war?)

Well as i understand when Salah was kicked out he was deeply unpopular
The Yemeni people just wanted to get on with it and there was broad consensus in Yemen at that point
That is perhaps the reason for the single candidate
Obviously with bad governance as you would expect things started to take a rough turn and i don't disagree that Hadi may have also become unpopular
But judging from not some Gulf or U.S propaganda tool but the United Nations itself the electoral process was indeed fair hence the comparison with Assad ends there unless you could provide a neutral source on the Syrian elections

 

[Malik Alashter]

As always same strategy, justifying a crime by an unconfirmed one (a lie exactly).
Then denying the crimes of whose you support !

As far as I know from many Yemeni sources in the ground in Sana'a & other cities there is no civilian casualty till the moment & Hothis want to Lie about that.
Proof it if there is any.

Proof of Houthis shooting civilians, there are plenty since they are doing that from months ago.

Reuters : Four shot dead in anti-Houthi protests in Yemen's Taiz.
UPDATE 2-Four shot dead in anti-Houthi protests in Yemen's Taiz| Reuters

Newsweek : Houthi Gunmen Fire on Protesters After Clashes Kill 26 in Yemen
http://www.newsweek.com/houthi-gunmen-fire-protesters-after-clashes-kill-26-yemen-306903

Always denying everything.
Then claiming things that did not happen.

Bottom line you have no right in Yemen you just been thugs against a poor country and that country never intervene in your affairs.

 

[CHI RULES]

This is war of interests between Iran and KSA. In which many Sunnis are so far neutral and want to stop blood shed but Irani brothers perhaps have no respect for other sects and blindly support every act of their Govt which is not right. We as ordinary Muslims should bring harmony between different sects rather blindly backing evel sectarians which are present on both sides.

 

[Serpentine]

As always same strategy, justifying a crime by an unconfirmed one (a lie exactly).
Then denying the crimes of whose you support !

As far as I know from many Yemeni sources in the ground in Sana'a & other cities there is no civilian casualty till the moment & Hothis want to Lie about that.
Proof it if there is any.

Proof of Houthis shooting civilians, there are plenty since they are doing that from months ago.

Reuters : Four shot dead in anti-Houthi protests in Yemen's Taiz.
UPDATE 2-Four shot dead in anti-Houthi protests in Yemen's Taiz| Reuters

Newsweek : Houthi Gunmen Fire on Protesters After Clashes Kill 26 in Yemen
http://www.newsweek.com/houthi-gunmen-fire-protesters-after-clashes-kill-26-yemen-306903

Always denying everything.
Then claiming things that did not happen.

Since you wanted proof, this is 3 days ago:

Video: Air strikes continue killing 39 in Yemen - Telegraph

39 dead in Saudi-led Yemen strikes: health officials - The Express Tribune

39 dead in Saudi-led air strikes, say Yemeni officials

39 dead in Yemen since Saudi-led strikes began: health officials - thenews.com.pk

 

[Winchester]

But there was a free election in Egypt too ... they didn't support the outcome instead they supported a military coup which toppled elected president and now they are ally...
So it's not about democracy , a free election or defending holy land against evil Iranian ... they want to see a weak Yemen in their doorstep:

Saudi policy on Yemen has traditionally sought to keep the country "on the wobble" – just unstable enough so that it is not a threat – by playing both sides off against each other. If that leads to the rise of extremist groups such as Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) operating inside its borders then so be it, as long as they leave the kingdom to the north alone.​

I agree with your point on Egypt
But the same can be said of Iran...supporting the regime in Syria but backing the rebels here

 

[Decisive Storm]

Bottom line you have no right in Yemen you just been thugs against a poor country and that country never intervene in your affairs.

We are helping a Legitimate Government under its will & request, this is guaranteed by Arabic Common Defence Pact & by International Law.

What about you ?
What are you doing there, arming militias to take over the country ?

 

[CHI RULES]

Previously houtis attacked border region of KSA, and they have every right to protect themselves Just like Iran did in Afghanistan by backing Northern Alliance along with USA, similarly helping US in Iraq. By the way there are news that Houti rebels attacking Pakistanis in Yemen which will not bring harmony between Muslims. Civilians should not be targeted specially if U call ur self as Momins and followers of Imam Hussain R.a