Operation 'Decisive Storm' | Saudi lead coalition operations in Yemen - Updates & Discussions.

[anant_s]

Houthi aggression? How is a completely domestic movement against a corrupt and puppet government aggression, a movement that has support of majority of Yemenis? And what is Saudi attack against sovereign state of Yemen? Sending Saudi-style democracy to Yemen?

Sorry for being naive here, could you kindly elaborate the the basic reasons behind these hostilities? Here in India (whatever little coverage media is giving), the issue is portrayed as a Civil War. My doubts are
a. Is it some kind of ethnic clash that has snow balled into bigger dispute?
b. Why are neighboring states interfering in the matter?
c. Has ISIS got any role in the matter?
d. (reading from your post above), If people are against Assad government, (@Dr.Thrax criticized one of my earlier post, supporting Assad government), why isn't UN doing anything? I'm assuming Assad still leads a popular democratic government.
Thanks.

 

[Max]

You are right. Pakistan was not a republic. It became one in 56.

Yeah,,, before that we had Queen of Pakistan in london...

 

[Imran Khan]

Absolutely right. Pakistan should be concerned about fostering internal development , and the needs of the over 180 million precious Pakistani lives that live in her borders. Pakistan shares a border with Iran, a fellow Islamic Republic, and thus, should not engage itself on any unnecessary external affairs matters , for the sake of preventing a greater praxis of this conflict. Pakistan is doing a wonderful job in battling terrorists on its borders, and must continue to foster better relations with not only Afghanistan , but also Iran, two nations whom share a border with Pakistan. Two nations whom have cultural and religious links with Pakistan.

It is best that Pakistan not involve itself in any proxy wars including two states in the wider Middle East.

Let us pray for this to be realized. Lastly, let us hope for a swift return to stability in Yemen. Amin.

pakistani periorites should be like this

1. counter terror
2. education
3. power shortage
4. poverty resolve
5. trade
6. better relations with world
7. development of country
8. counter corruption
9. health
10. political stability

123489238 - war in yemen

 

[Daneshmand]

pakistani periorityes should be like this

1. counter terror
2. education
   
3. power shortage
4. poverty resolve
5. trade
6. better relations with world
7. development of country
8. counter corruption
   
9. health
   
10. political stability

123489238 - war in yemen

If I were you, my first priority would be to research and develop an ideology based on Dr. Iqbal's philosophy. Without such a political ideology to guide your nation, you will not be able to progress on your other priorities. As you will be hijacked by vested interests every time. Whether foreign or domestic.

 

[Imran Khan]

If I were you, my first priority would be to research and develop an ideology based on Dr. Iqbal's philosophy. Without such a political ideology to guide your nation, you will not be able to progress on your other priorities. As you will be hijacked by vested interests every time. Whether foreign or domestic.

you need to sit safe from suicide bomber and in light under the fan to think

 

[Mutakalim]

The border towns of Saudi are on high alert with skirmishes near the border going on... it is some time before the rebels attack the border and Pakistan will have to oblige with boots on ground.

Arab leaders agree to form a united military force, starting with 40,000 troops
@Horus boots on the ground

Chances of ground invasion are very low. Saudis will suffer if they invaded. Thats why US is out from this mess. 40,000 troops are not enough.

 

[Daneshmand]

you need to sit safe from suicide bomber and in light under the fan to think

That is funny

But on serious note, it is not hard to give protection and constant supply of electricity to a few talented scholars, researchers and academics of various fields in law, politics and religion in order to develop this political ideology.

Right now you have no narrative to counter argue the case and give hope to masses for a better future.

 

[burning_phoneix]

one of your reason for not fighting Isreal is that they have nukes .... now you have a nuclear power in your camp , so why your mighty Arab Sunni Army won't take revenge fore your embarrassing loses against tiny Zionist fake state !?

Thank you for proving my point that you know nothing about Mutually assured destruction. Please read up on it.

Well its my personal view and you can have a different view opposed to it... I think we Muslims should all just accept democracy isn't one of our strong suits.

I wasn't talking about that. I was asking for proof that Abdul Wahab desecrated the prophet's grave, murdered people who opposed him and must importantly RIPPED FETUSES OUT OF PREGNANT WOMEN.

And no, linking to an article on a Shia forum does not count considering it is riddled with errors.

This will be a very Saudi operation then. I think there is a high chance that Aden may fall to the Houthis so the Saudis(who do not possess an amphibious force or have not planned for one)

Saudi Arabia does have a marine brigade, though I am unsure if they possess amphibious assault capability.

 

[Imran Khan]

That is funny

But on serious note, it is not hard to give protection and constant supply of electricity to a few talented scholars, researchers and academics of various fields in law, politics and religion in order to develop this political ideology.

Right now you have no narrative to counter argue the case and give hope to masses for a better future.

i am practical sir

how can you think iqbal idealogy and a suicide bomber waitng to bomb that place you will be transofrmed into pieces with your idealogy

and how you can see what iqbal write without bulb and fan or AC ? you open iqbal's book and power cut here goes your idalogy of iqbal and bugs come to bite you

third is education if you have no education you will sale PAKORAS on iqbal ideology books

 

[Mutakalim]

The only nation that was founded mostly on the basis of Islam is the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Not founded but created by sword and blood. Not on basis of islam but on the basis of Wahabism and extremism combined. Dictatorship just like the dictatorship of Yazid, Ummayads and Abbasids.

 

[Daneshmand]

i am practical sir

how can you think iqbal idealogy and a suicide bomber waitng to bomb that place you will be transofrmed into pieces with your idealogy

and how you can see what iqbal write without bulb and fan or AC ? you open iqbal's book and power cut here goes your idalogy of iqbal and bugs come to bite you

third is education if you have no education you will sale PAKORAS on iqbal ideology books

As you wish.

My understanding is, Dr. Iqbal himself thought, formulated and wrote his philosophy in poverty and without access to much amenities while living in quite turbulent times in a British colony.

The cornerstone of his philosophy was not pleasure seeking or comfort. Rather something else, which Pakistanis if they want to have a better future, should search and understand.

PS. By the way I love eggplant pakoras. But for mental works such as these you will need pistachios of Qazvin. Pakoras make you lazy and fat.

 

[syedali73]

I hope that this fighting will end soon, that the civilians who have been torn from their homes are returned as soon as possible. I hope that a popular government be elected soon in Yemen, and most of all that a ground invasion into Yemen be not observed. There have been enough wars in the region , all for the sake of religious austerity. Syria should be a lesson for all.

There have been enough civil wars and fighting.

The only practical solution to this problem is the division of Yemen. Lots of experimentations has been done in the region but to no avail. There was a time when Egypt and KSA fought a bitter proxy war in Yemen, KSA supporting the Sunnis whereas Nasir's socialist Egypt backing Zaidis. Ironically, the two foes of the past are now on the same page against Zaidis only because Iran has got itself involved in Yemen. The most notorious role is being played by the USA, for in Syria/Iraq she is supporting Iranians, in Yemen, she is supporting KSA/Egypt. The objective is more than clear, to get the KSA, the only meaningful military power left in the region after the destruction of Iraq and Syria, destroyed or severely weakened to pave way for the hegemony of Israel. Only time will tell if USA will be successful in her dirty plan for the region or not.

 

[Aepsilons]

The only practical solution to this problem is the division of Yemen. Lots of experimentations has been done in the region but to no avail. There was a time when Egypt and KSA fought a bitter proxy war in Yemen, KSA supporting the Sunnis whereas Nasir's socialist Egypt backing Zaidis. Ironically, the two foes of the past are now on the same page against Zaidis only because Iran has got itself involved in Yemen. The most notorious role is being played by the USA, for in Syria/Iraq she is supporting Iranians, in Yemen, she is supporting KSA/Egypt. The objective is more than clear, to get the KSA, the only meaningful military power left in the region after the destruction of Iraq and Syria, destroyed or severely weakened to pave way for the hegemony of Israel. Only time will tell if USA will be successful in her dirty plan for the region or not.

The United States should not even be involved in this matter , it is apparent that the meddling of the US in Iraq has resulted in the current quagmire , the polarization of the Sunnis, Shi'a and the Kurds. With successive failed policies in supporting these so called "moderate" rebels in Syria, who in turn turned out to be the precursor of ISIS, ISIL.

No, its apparent that Yemen should be allowed to determine its own destiny. Egypt's failed policy and campaign in Yemen cost Egypt nearly 30,000 military fatalities. And as a nation that has just recently returned to a semblance of normalcy after being polarized itself, Egypt shouldn't be affixed on any expeditionary campaigns at all.

I just fear that any 'boots on the ground' -- in Yemen -- would exacerbate the situation. Given the sensitive location of the Straits of Djibouti and possibly the Straits of Hormuz being affected and its consequences on global energy supplies -- this would be a catastrophe of epic proportions.

 

[Madali]

Can we look at this situation in a more nuanced manner?

What is the endgame for Saudi Arabia here & how likely it is that it would be reached?

From what we understand from the narratives of the attackers, we can can see from quotes such as this,
"Arab League chief Nabil al-Arabi said at a regional summit in Egypt the offensive would last until the rebels "surrender" their weapons and withdraw from areas they seized."
&
"His [meaning Hadi] Foreign Minister Riyadh Yassin said there could be "no negotiations and dialogue" with the rebels "until the legitimate government has control over all Yemeni lands"."

So, the objectives seem to be:
1) Hadi to be in full control of Yemen governments & lands
2) Houthis to surrender & give up their weapons

But how likely are these?

Let's first pretend that the first objective is met. Hadi is brought back & oppositions are defeated. But then what? Would 200,000 Arab League soldiers be stationed in Yemen to protect him? Would Yemen be turned into a permanent No-Fly Zone? Would Egypt Navy be stationed near its ports indefinitely? Would Pakistani soldiers be guarding Hadi 24/7?

I say this because Hadi run away without the army or the public defending him, so if he is brought back in the jets of Saudi Arabia, how long can he stay in that position & under what circumstances?

Saudi Arabia wants to turn back the clock and take Yemen back to the status quo. But it was the status quo that brought them in this situation in the first place.

Now second point,

I don't see a scenario where the Houthis would surrender. Sun Tzu says, "When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard."

But the Saudis aren't doing this. They aren't talking about power-sharing, they are saying, "Surrender!" AND "Give up your weapons!"

Only a prolonged, traditional warfare, by an invading army force, could possibly reach that objective, when Houthi soldiers are killed by the thousands. Until then, I can't see the Houthis surrendering due to air strikes.

 

[Hindustani78]

Two ships leaves Kochi to Djibouti Port to evacuate Indians in Yemen | Zee News
Last Updated: Monday, March 30, 2015 - 14:06

Kochi: India on Monday sent two passenger ships to Djibouti Port to evacuate Indians stranded in conflict-hit Yemen.


"Two passenger ships belonging to Lakshadweep administration left for Djibouti Port from Kochi this morning to evacuate Indians stranded in Yemen," Jijo Thomas, Deputy Secretary, Cochin Port Trust, told PTI.

"A total of 1200 passengers can be accommodated in two ships. It will take at least five to seven days for the ships to reach Djibouti Port," he said.

Doctors and nurses are part of a total of 150-member-crew in these ships to be escorted by Navy in the outer seas. Adequate food, medicine and water have been stored in the ships, he said.

Since MV Kavaratti and MV Corals are domestic ships, there were lot of formalities including customs and immigration and maritime related works had to be completed before their journey to international waters, he said.

All coordination activities are being carried out under the leadership of Cochin Port Trust Chairman Paul Antony, he said.

Thomas said MV Kavaratti was called back on her voyage from Kochi to Lakshadweep yesterday evening to facilitate her journey to international waters. Passengers in the ship were shifted to another vessel to provide them a comfortable trip to Lakshadweep, he said.

The ships started their voyage to Djibouti Port soon after the government decided to evacuate Indian nationals amid the chaotic situation in the Gulf country.

Thomas said though the ships are currently heading towards Djibouti, the port of call would be decided by the Centre in the coming days.

External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj had tweeted yesterday that India was in the process of sending a ship with a capacity of 1,500 passengers.

Meanwhile, some Keralites working in Yemen arrived at the Cochin International Airport this morning.

They said the situation in Yemen is very serious and hundreds of Indians in that country are living in fear.

There are about 3,500 Indians, most of them nurses, in various provinces of Yemen including Sana'a.

In Yemen, Shiite militiamen, also known as Huthis, and Army units loyal to former president Ali Abdullah Saleh have overrun much of the country, prompting President Abedrabbo Mansour Hadi to flee for Saudi Arabia.

PTI