One Big F-35 Contract: $2.8B Of $3.7B For Foreign Planes

[Penguin]

It's actually less than that. Correct me if I'm wrong. According to this part:

Most of the money, $2.2 billion, goes to buy one British F-35B, one Italian F-35A, eight Australian F-35As, eight Dutch F-35As, four Turkish F-35As, six Norwegian F-35As aircraft, and 22 F-35As for Foreign Military Sales customers.

That's 50 aircraft for $2.2 which comes out to $44 Mill a piece. There's probably differences in the cost of the A vs the B but to simplify things with just an average, that's extraordinarily cheap and might have to do with being level partners in the program which results in such discounts. But even some of the partners' participation is not that much. The UK is the only one that has put in a good chunk out of all (besides the US) with $2.2 billion as a level 1 partner. The next closest one is Italy with $1 Billion and the rest (Netherlands Australia Canada) are only in the $800 million and less. Turkey only put in $195 which is peanuts. But when it ends up being under $50 mill per platform, that's ridiculously cheap. Most of these partners and buyers already have the weapons that this thing will be unloading which makes that part even less costly.

Perhaps the shares these partners paid does reflect in the final cost?

Considerin nl is only 17 million people, our 800 million euro is not so bad. And we are not getting any discount. However, lower price does mean more can be ordered. Air force is competing with navy, which needs 4 subs at 1 billion apiece.

 

[EpiiC]

Lol this deal way better than Saudi $110B weapons deal lol.

 

[Gomig-21]

Considerin nl is only 17 million people, our 800 million euro is not so bad. And we are not getting any discount. However, lower price does mean more can be ordered. Air force is competing with navy, which needs 4 subs at 1 billion apiece.

At this price (or if it's anywhere around $50 mil), you guys might be able to target the 85 total count originally planned, instead of 37 or whatever the current order is.

And I don't know why they're thinking of retiring the F-16's. Those things are kept in such mint condition and can easily surpass their service life. Complement the fleet with the standard gold-bearer of 4th gen fighters alongside the new F-35's. I've always thought it was very interesting how the RNAF only had 60 F-16s and this thing was to replace them. So the 1 platform philosophy which makes sense for a small European country but still, unique nonetheless.

BTW, how great would it be it they were thinking of painting one of the F-35's in this most recognized scheme?

Probably the most popular and famously painted fighter or all time. Even Manfred Von Richthofen's Fokker DrI doesn't hold a candle to this thing.

 

[Penguin]

At this price (or if it's anywhere around $50 mil), you guys might be able to target the 85 total count originally planned, instead of 37 or whatever the current order is.

And I don't know why they're thinking of retiring the F-16's. Those things are kept in such mint condition and can easily surpass their service life. Complement the fleet with the standard gold-bearer of 4th gen fighters alongside the new F-35's. I've always thought it was very interesting how the RNAF only had 60 F-16s and this thing was to replace them. So the 1 platform philosophy which makes sense for a small European country but still, unique nonetheless.

BTW, how great would it be it they were thinking of painting one of the F-35's in this most recognized scheme?

Probably the most popular and famously painted fighter or all time. Even Manfred Von Richthofen's Fokker DrI doesn't hold a candle to this thing.

We had way more than 60 f16s. The rest sold off.

But absorbing developing cost by so many countries is already a big respite otherwise this development cost would have been part of the plane cost ... dont you agree ?

Well no. One cannot on the one hand pass off these contributions as insignificant and on te other hand say what you say. So one of you is wrong.

 

[Gomig-21]

Well no. One cannot on the one hand pass off these contributions as insignificant and on te other hand say what you say. So one of you is wrong.

"Insignificant" is a bit excessive and not what I was implying, sorry for the misunderstanding you might have had. $800 million is almost $1 billion which is a lot of money (and I believe it is in Dollars not Euros as far as the available info). But when you take the $2.5 billion the UK has put into the development, that $800 million the Netherlands has contributed is considerably less than half of that, and by that standard, the $195 million that Turkey contributed is not insignificant either, but it's peanuts by comparison, and that's what I was implying.

The Netherlands annual military budget is what, $8-$9 billion per year? Percentage-wise, the $800 million is not huge, but I'm not suggesting that it's insignificant, either.

Same with Turkey. $195 million out of a military budget of $14 billion+/- per year and compared to the UK's pitch is less than 10%.

 

[Penguin]

"Insignificant" is a bit excessive and not what I was implying, sorry for the misunderstanding you might have had. $800 million is almost $1 billion which is a lot of money (and I believe it is in Dollars not Euros as far as the available info). But when you take the $2.5 billion the UK has put into the development, that $800 million the Netherlands has contributed is considerably less than half of that, and by that standard, the $195 million that Turkey contributed is not insignificant either, but it's peanuts by comparison, and that's what I was implying.

The Netherlands annual military budget is what, $8-$9 billion per year? Percentage-wise, the $800 million is not huge, but I'm not suggesting that it's insignificant, either.

Same with Turkey. $195 million out of a military budget of $14 billion+/- per year and compared to the UK's pitch is less than 10%.

Uk strategic interest in f35b is far greater than that of nl in f35a. Qe carrier. Hence difference
Gomig-21, post: 9755121, member: 180140"]"Insignificant" is a bit excessive and not what I was implying, sorry for the misunderstanding you might have had. $800 million is almost $1 billion which is a lot of money (and I believe it is in Dollars not Euros as far as the available info). But when you take the $2.5 billion the UK has put into the development, that $800 million the Netherlands has contributed is considerably less than half of that, and by that standard, the $195 million that Turkey contributed is not insignificant either, but it's peanuts by comparison, and that's what I was implying.

The Netherlands annual military budget is what, $8-$9 billion per year? Percentage-wise, the $800 million is not huge, but I'm not suggesting that it's insignificant, either.

Same with Turkey. $195 million out of a military budget of $14 billion+/- per year and compared to the UK's pitch is less than 10%.


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