"On a Mission to Defend Freedom" - USS John Warner is Commissioned

[nForce]

If any of those 'other countries' are our allies or friends, what happens becomes our concern.

Agreed, provided you have such mutual agreements.

 

[Oldman1]

Probably we are not sending our military to invade other countries for oil. But that does not stop us from saying what is right. So, keep your advice to yourself.

You keep talking about Americans getting their hands on oil, but I have yet to see anything benefit for us. It seems China was the winner.

 

[gambit]

You keep talking about Americans getting their hands on oil, but I have yet to see anything benefit for us. It seems China was the winner.

It is simple mindedness, really. Saying 'for oil' is much less intellectually taxing than taking the time to research the issue. It allows the speaker the pretension of sophistication.

 

[TheTruth]

Freedom in Ukraine, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria! Who's next

 

[nForce]

You keep talking about Americans getting their hands on oil, but I have yet to see anything benefit for us. It seems China was the winner.

Okay. I will get back to that soon.

 

[Lonely Hermit]

You keep talking about Americans getting their hands on oil, but I have yet to see anything benefit for us. It seems China was the winner.

What currency do the Chinese or anyone else use to buy that oil ?
What is world's reserve currency why it got such a status, what is done to maintain its dominance if you know the answer to these question you will understand why Iraq and Libya were invaded.

 

[Oldman1]

What currency do the Chinese or anyone else use to buy that oil ?
What is world's reserve currency why it got such a status, what is done to maintain its dominance if you know the answer to these question you will understand why Iraq and Libya were invaded.

Who benefited the oil contracts by Iraqi govt. given to after the Iraq War. If you know the answer, you understand why Iraq and Afghanistan was invaded.

 

[Lonely Hermit]

Who benefited the oil contracts by Iraqi govt. given to after the Iraq War. If you know the answer, you understand why Iraq and Afghanistan was invaded.

You are again asking the wrong question it is not about oil, it is about the status of world reserve currency.
After ww2 Brenton Wood system was created
Bretton Woods system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
which established dollar as world reserve currency, that is all international trade and transaction would be done in US Dollars. The dollar was pegged to gold since US federal reserve had most of the gold at that time. But in 1973 Dollar was unpegged from gold since rest the world became suspicious of US dollar asked for their gold instead of Dollar.
Nixon Shock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
See this famous speech by Nixon .

Now Dollar had to be pegged to something of value apart from gold. US policy makers realised during oil crisis of 1973
the importance hydro carbons .
1973 oil crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
They negotiated with OPEC oil producing countries and later it was agreed that every single barrel of oil will priced in dollars. This lead to the formation of Petrodollar system.
Petrodollar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is a list of countries by foreign exchange reserve see where China is ranked and where US is ranked.
List of countries by foreign-exchange reserves - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now to your question why Iraq and Syria where attacked.
In 2000 Iraq dumped dollar in place of Euro
Iraq nets handsome profit by dumping dollar for euro | Business | The Guardian
The Invasion of Iraq: Dollar vs Euro Re-denominating Iraqi oil in U. S. dollars, instead of the euro
Ironically the countries most vocal in the opposition to Iraq war where France and germany
France and Germany unite against Iraq war | World news | The Guardian
and later you know how uncle sam gave freedom and democracy to Iraq.
Similarly in case Libya Gaddafi was trying to introduce gold based dinar currency in exchange for Oil
Gadhafi’s Gold-money Plan Would Have Devastated Dollar
@jamahir can add more to why he was Invaded
Why do you think US China trade has 500 billion dollar deficit every year but you guys are able to pay for it all the time.

 

[Oldman1]

You are again asking the wrong question it is not about oil, it is about the status of world reserve currency.
After ww2 Brenton Wood system was created
Bretton Woods system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
which established dollar as world reserve currency, that is all international trade and transaction would be done in US Dollars. The dollar was pegged to gold since US federal reserve had most of the gold at that time. But in 1973 Dollar was unpegged from gold since rest the world became suspicious of US dollar asked for their gold instead of Dollar.
Nixon Shock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
See this famous speech by Nixon .

Now Dollar had to be pegged to something of value apart from gold. US policy makers realised during oil crisis of 1973
the importance hydro carbons .
1973 oil crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
They negotiated with OPEC oil producing countries and later it was agreed that every single barrel of oil will priced in dollars. This lead to the formation of Petrodollar system.
Petrodollar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is a list of countries by foreign exchange reserve see where China is ranked and where US is ranked.
List of countries by foreign-exchange reserves - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now to your question why Iraq and Syria where attacked.
In 2000 Iraq dumped dollar in place of Euro
Iraq nets handsome profit by dumping dollar for euro | Business | The Guardian
The Invasion of Iraq: Dollar vs Euro Re-denominating Iraqi oil in U. S. dollars, instead of the euro
Ironically the countries most vocal in the opposition to Iraq war where France and germany
France and Germany unite against Iraq war | World news | The Guardian
and later you know how uncle sam gave freedom and democracy to Iraq.
Similarly in case Libya Gaddafi was trying to introduce gold based dinar currency in exchange for Oil
Gadhafi’s Gold-money Plan Would Have Devastated Dollar
@jamahir can add more to why he was Invaded
Why do you think US China trade has 500 billion dollar deficit every year but you guys are able to pay for it all the time.

No I'm asking the right question. Just like asking why did we invade Afghanistan as well? Was it because Afghanistan was switching to Euros? Is it because it has vast resources for the U.S. to exploit? Its just like people pointing out we invaded Iraq or Syria for oil to control.

US fights for Afghan underground resources: Afghan president

Afghan President Hamid Karzai says the US fights in Afghanistan with the intention of gaining access to the country’s underground resources, adding that Washington's so-called war on terror is not real, Press TV reports.

“Americans have asked Afghans to give them Afghanistan's mining contracts, and I said 'Bring your contracts'... Lots of mines are hidden in Helmand and from the start they have been doing their investigations and finishing their photography. But now they understand that we know about them,” Hamid Karzai said in a Tuesday speech during an official visit to southern Helmand province.

The president went on to say that the US-led foreign forces’ so-called anti-terror war in Afghanistan is not a real one and that the Americans fight for their own interests in the country.

Karzai once again slammed US double standards for holding secret talks with Taliban militants in certain Persian Gulf states and Europe.

US fights for Afghan underground resources: Afghan president

Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil
Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil
Editor's note: Ten years ago the war in Iraq began. This week we focus on the people involved in the war, and the lives that changed forever. Antonia Juhasz, an oil industry analyst, is author of several books, including "The Bush Agenda" and "The Tyranny of Oil."

(CNN) -- Yes, the Iraq War was a war for oil, and it was a war with winners: Big Oil.
It has been 10 years since Operation Iraqi Freedom's bombs first landed in Baghdad. And while most of the U.S.-led coalition forces have long since gone, Western oil companies are only getting started.

Before the 2003 invasion, Iraq's domestic oil industry was fully nationalized and closed to Western oil companies. A decade of war later, it is largely privatized and utterly dominated by foreign firms.

Antonia Juhasz
From ExxonMobil and Chevron to BP and Shell, the West's largest oil companies have set up shop in Iraq. So have a slew of American oil service companies, including Halliburton, the Texas-based firm Dick Cheney ran before becoming George W. Bush's running mate in 2000.
The war is the one and only reason for this long sought and newly acquired access.

FULL COVERAGE: The Iraq War, 10 years on

Oil was not the only goal of the Iraq War, but it was certainly the central one, as top U.S. military and political figures have attested to in the years following the invasion.

"Of course it's about oil, we can't really deny that," said General John Abizaid in 2007, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq. Former Federal Reserve Chairman, Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir: "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Then-Senator and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are."

For the first time in about 30 years, Western oil companies are exploring for and producing oil in Iraq from some of the world's largest oil fields and reaping enormous profit. And while the U.S. has also maintained a fairly consistent level of Iraq oil imports since the invasion, the benefits are not finding their way through Iraq's economy or society.

These outcomes were by design, the result of a decade of U.S. government and oil company pressure. In 1998, Kenneth Derr, then CEO of Chevron, said, "Iraq possesses huge reserves of oil and gas-reserves I'd love Chevron to have access to." Today it does.

 

[Lonely Hermit]

No I'm asking the right question. Just like asking why did we invade Afghanistan as well? Was it because Afghanistan was switching to Euros? Is it because it has vast resources for the U.S. to exploit? Its just like people pointing out we invaded Iraq or Syria for oil to control.

Probably a collateral damage or the military industrial complex wanted to go to war.
Eisenhower on your MIC

 

[jamahir]

Similarly in case Libya Gaddafi was trying to introduce gold based dinar currency in exchange for Oil
Gadhafi’s Gold-money Plan Would Have Devastated Dollar
@jamahir can add more to why he was Invaded

libya and gaddafi were indeed a problem for nato in many ways... the "gold dinar" was urgent cause... there was also the "africa development bank" that would have been based in cameroon and libya so that african countries can avail of loans for infrastructure projects but without taking interest-based loans from imf and world bank.

there was also political support that libya was giving to groups like farc ( the socialist freedom fighters of columbia in south america ) and the general influence of libya's comrade there, venezuela.

there was the long-standing "united states of africa" project which could have resulted in africa having a single government and a single military, and this would have been the natural extension of the "gold dinar" project... south america also increasing its membership of the "alba" grouping... so two new groupings or blocs ( africa and bolivarian south america ) would have been a very painful headache for nato.

plus the general symbol of anti-nato resistance that libya and gaddafi were.

@Oldman1

 

[flamer84]

libya and gaddafi were indeed a problem for nato in many ways... the "gold dinar" was urgent cause... there was also the "africa development bank" that would have been based in cameroon and libya so that african countries can avail of loans for infrastructure projects but without taking interest-based loans from imf and world bank.

there was also political support that libya was giving to groups like farc ( the socialist freedom fighters of columbia in south america ) and the general influence of libya's comrade there, venezuela.

there was the long-standing "united states of africa" project which could have resulted in africa having a single government and a single military, and this would have been the natural extension of the "gold dinar" project... south america also increasing its membership of the "alba" grouping... so two new groupings or blocs ( africa and bolivarian south america ) would have been a very painful headache for nato.

plus the general symbol of anti-nato resistance that libya and gaddafi were.

@Oldman1

What united states of Africa project ? That ridiculous Gaddafi brain fart got squashed when his mighty armored divisions built with oil money got smashed by dirt poor pick up riding Chadians in the 80's

Toyota War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[jamahir]

What united states of Africa project ? That ridiculous Gaddafi brain fart got squashed when his mighty armored divisions built with oil money got smashed by dirt poor pick up riding Chadians in the 80's

Toyota War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"united states of africa" was a 90's project... from ( Mugabe revives Gaddafi's United States of Africa dream | World news | The Guardian )...

A United States of Africa spanning Cape Town and Cairo was proposed by Gaddafi in 1999 as a way of ending the continent's conflicts and defying the west

from ( We can build United States of Africa, Gaddafi says| Reuters ) in 2010...

Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi said on Tuesday his dream of a United States of Africa was still alive and this week's African Union summit was another step toward that objective.

something related that i saw recently...

 

[flamer84]

"united states of africa" was a 90's project... from ( Mugabe revives Gaddafi's United States of Africa dream | World news | The Guardian )...



from ( We can build United States of Africa, Gaddafi says| Reuters ) in 2010...



something related that i saw recently...

Oh yes,now that you mention it,Mugabe looks like a natural leader for this sort of ideea

 

[jamahir]

Oh yes,now that you mention it,Mugabe looks like a natural leader for this sort of ideea

i don't understand why you are in opposition to that project.