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Okinawa or Ryukyu? The prefecture on the front line of China-Japan ties​

  • Okinawan governor Denny Tamaki – who has long opposed US military bases – is expected to visit China from Monday
  • Okinawan leadership may be seeking to increase bargaining power with Tokyo by conducting dialogues with Beijing, says analyst

Published: 12:00pm, 1 Jul, 2023

When Chinese President Xi Jinping referred to Japan’s southernmost prefecture of Okinawa last month, he did more than highlight his country’s historical ties with the region.
Xi referred to the area as Ryukyu, the name of a kingdom that was a Chinese tributary state for more than 500 years until it was annexed by Japan in 1879.

The reference set off a flurry of commentary in Japanese media, with some taking umbrage, especially as various Chinese scholars have long advocated for autonomy for Okinawa.
The prefecture lies on the faultlines of Japan’s relationship with China, and even regional geopolitics, such as the Diaoyu Island dispute and potential conflict around Taiwan.

Those faultlines are expected to be among the topics discussed when Okinawan governor Denny Tamaki – who has long objected to US military bases – visits China from Monday.

He will visit with a delegation from the Japanese Association for the Promotion of International Trade (JAPIT), a group dedicated to developing business with China headed by former House speaker and one-time Japanese foreign minister Yohei Kono.

Okinawa governor Denny Tamaki is expected to visit Beijing and Fujian from Monday. Photo: Kyodo

Okinawa governor Denny Tamaki is expected to visit Beijing and Fujian from Monday. Photo: Kyodo

It is not yet known which Chinese officials they will meet, especially as the visit comes soon after Japan’s sanction on China’s semiconductor industry takes effect on Saturday. But during some of their previous trips, Kono and JAPIT have been received by senior leaders, such as China’s premier and foreign minister.

This time, eyes will also be on Tamaki to see whether he meets Xi, given his Ryukyu reference.

The comment was made during an inspection of a national history archive in early June and Xi was shown a book from the Ming dynasty (1368-1644) recording a diplomatic mission to the Kingdom of Ryukyu.

China cites the book as evidence that the Diaoyu Islands – known in Japan as the Senkaku Islands – belonged to China.

According to People’s Daily, the Communist Party’s mouthpiece, Xi spoke of exchanges between the former tributary state to China and the province of Fujian, where he used to be governor.

“When I was working in Fuzhou, I was aware of the Ryukyu-kan [diplomats’ house] and the Ryukyu cemetery there, and that Fujian had a deep connection with Ryukyu,” he said.
“There were 36 clans from Fujian [that] moved and settled in Ryukyu,” he said, referring to a mass migration event in the 14th century.

A few days later, Tamaki told the media he interpreted the remarks as Xi having “very deep insight into history and culture”.

“I take [Xi’s statement] as an indication of his willingness to develop future exchanges,” he said.

However, Japanese media outlets expressed concern about Xi’s Ryukyu reference, saying it indicated China might play up the Okinawa issue, with some Chinese academics suggesting China support the autonomy, or even independence movement, of Ryukyu.

A prominent advocate for challenging Japan’s sovereignty over Ryukyu is Zhang Haipeng, a member of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences. In 2013, he co-authored an article in People’s Daily raising the issue of Ryukyu and sparking protest from the Japanese government.

He flagged the idea again in June with a co-authored article called “The Feasibility of Strategically Proposing the Ryukyu Reconsideration”, suggesting that an independent state of Ryukyu would be “extremely important to China’s maritime strategy”.

Zhang argued that Japan’s annexation of Ryukyu in 1879 was illegal, and that the World War II allies’ declarations did not recognise Japan’s sovereignty over Ryukyu.

Under the post-war San Francisco Peace Treaty, Ryukyu came under the rule of the United States. The US handed over the authority to Japan in 1972, but “still did not resolve the question of the sovereign status of the Ryukyu Islands under international law”, according to Zhang’s article last month.

“In view of the unrest in East Asia and the Pacific, the tensions in the Taiwan Strait, and the fact that Japan and South Korea are closely following the United States, at present there is a real need to formally raise the issue of reconsidering the status of Ryukyu from a strategic perspective,” he wrote.

With a strategic location in the first island chain, Ryukyu was an important trade hub between ancient China and Japan.

Okinawa now hosts more than 70 per cent of US military forces in Japan. Its affiliated island is just 110km (68 miles) from Taiwan. Japan claims the disputed Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands through administration of the prefecture.

In December, as tension with China continued to rise, the Japanese cabinet passed a national security strategy to further strengthen security ties with the US and enhance military deployment on the southwest islands, including Okinawa.

Denny Tamaki, however, has long opposed the US military bases on the island, accusing them of bringing negative impacts to locals. He also criticised the new defence strategy.

On June 23, the 78th anniversary of the Battle of Okinawa – one of the bloodiest campaigns of the Pacific War in which one out of four local civilians was killed – Tamaki issued his own peace declaration, calling for the easing of tensions and building of mutual trust with other countries and regions in the Asia-Pacific region.

“[The defence build-up in Okinawa] and the memories of the fierce ground battle has triggered great concern among the residents and peaceful diplomacy through dialogue is being demanded,” Tamaki said in the document.

Zhang Jifeng, a specialist in Japanese studies at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, said Okinawans might not necessarily still feel a close link to China or truly seek independence, but the governor could be seeking to increase his bargaining power with Tokyo by having dialogue with Beijing.

“The Okinawan people are clear that strengthening military deployment in Okinawa and the southwest islands is to make these islands the very first ground of battle if a war broke out. It reminded them of the tragedy of the Battle of Okinawa [in which] the residents died as cannon fodder,” he said.

In the lead-up to his trip to China, Tamaki told the media he would like to convey to the Chinese side “that we trust each other and want to continue our mutually beneficial relationship”.
“Rather than watching the tension rising in anxiety I would continue to connect with various countries,” Tamaki said.

Liu Jiangyong, professor of international relations at Tsinghua University, said the main security concern for Tamaki and Okinawa was war in the Taiwan Strait, in which Japan and the US might stage armed interventions and drag Okinawa in.

“In this sense, it is positive and constructive for mainland China to cooperate with Okinawa to maintain regional stability and prosperity and to oppose Japan’s military expansion and preparation for war,” he said.

After meeting Chinese leaders and economic officials in Beijing, Tamaki will head to Okinawa’s “twin province” Fujian in southeastern China to discuss economic and people exchanges with local officials, according to Japanese media.

 
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Japan won it gets to take the islands

if China wants to take it go ahead

strongest persons decides the rules not weakest

its the way world works
 
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Okinawa /Ryuku was historically recognised as sovereign country and will be free from Japan


Japanese are terrified of any war with China that USA will drag them into.

Nanjing Massacre and Unit 731 be finally resolved by Chinese

And not just Diaoyudao, Okinawa and Ryuku islands will be free from Japan

Japanese will know not only will they lose the war.

All their air bases and naval bases will be figments of memories within 30 minutes


Should pushing turn to real shoving , there will be no air bases in Japan or Guan or Okinawa for anything to take off from .
Perhaps from Wake Island and Pearl harbout.

But nothing west of the 2nd Island Chain withing 10 minutes of war starting


Missile Strikes on U.S. Bases in Asia: Is This China's Real Threat to America?




In the first 10++ minutes, all the bases in Japan , Okinawa and Guam will be cratered and hit by the DongFangs with conventional warheads ensuring their planes cannot take off.

Missile Strikes on U.S. Bases in Asia: Is This China's Real Threat to America?

Shugart and Gonzalez also point out that the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) has carried out drills simulating preemptive attacks against America’s regional military assets. In one such instance, the PLA Rocket Forces “appears to have been practicing on several ship targets of a similar size to U.S. Arleigh Burke –class destroyers moored in a mock port that is a near-mirror image of the actual inner harbor at the U.S. naval base in Yokosuka.” This is illuminating, the authors note, because the only way the Chinese military could catch three U.S. ships in port is if they conducted a complete surprise attack.
After reviewing Chinese capabilities and doctrines, the authors try to simulate such an attack to judge its effectiveness. Interestingly, while they believe China would strike U.S. bases in Japan and even some Japanese forces, they assume Beijing would avoid attacks on Korea “in order to prevent a distracting second front on the Korean Peninsula while pursuing its primary military goals elsewhere.” In their simulation, they also assume that Beijing would not initially target America’s base at Guam since it is U.S. territory and China would want to prevent an escalation that could result in America bombing mainland China.
Shugart and Gonzales run two different models of a simulated preemptive attack, keeping in mind what they know about U.S. and allied missile defense systems in the region. In both models, “enough ballistic missiles seemed likely to leak through to cause highly significant damage to U.S. bases and forces in the region.” Some of the results of the attacks include:
• “Almost every major fixed headquarters and logistical facility struck, with key headquarters struck within the first few minutes of the conflict.”
• “Almost every U.S. ship in port in Japan struck pierside by ballistic missiles.”
• “In most cases, cratering by ballistic missiles of every runway and runway-length taxiway at all major U.S. air bases in Japan.”
• “As a result of runway cratering, headquarters destruction, and air defense degradation, more than 200 trapped U.S. aircraft destroyed on the ground in the first hours of the conflict.”
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Then Chinese cruise missiles will fly in their thousands to take out what not taken out military assets in that first 10++ minutes.

Chinese AShMs will burn and incinerate Japanese and USA Naval assets.


During that time, Japanese command centers will blown up killing all those inside.


See the photos of test sites in Western China of dummy airfields and plane shelters of air and naval bases in Japan being hit so accurately by DFs.

First Strike: China's Missile Threat to U.S. Bases in Asia

By your own Western military experts. Even if they underestimated the numbers of DFs and Cruise Missiles of China in their reports.

The same way they thought China has only 260 nukes.

The same way Dugout Doug thought no Chinese at all in Korea until Chinese appeared in the hundreds of thousands right within USA and UN troops!

First Strike: China's Missile Threat to U.S. Bases in Asia

And then all US air bases and naval bases in Japan and Guam and Diego Garcia and Singapore be rendered inoperational within 10 minutes.

And all assets in the air bases and naval bases hit and destroyed within the next 30 minutes.

All the USA JSTARS and tankers be in flames within an hour.

All carriers within the 3rd Island Chain be burning from end to end.


And after the war, Okinawa and Ryuku will be independant again and protected by China.

Japan will likely lose Hokkaido as well.

And Yasukuni Shrine will be razed to the ground as well

Public toilet be build where the shrine used to be and guess who will be made custodian of that toilet to clean the urinals and toilet bowls and to collect 100 yen from users of public toilet.
 
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It's time to support Ryuku independence. Ryuku has deep historical and cultural ties with China.
 
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Japan is always supporting freedom to other countries.

The Japanese people seem always concern about freedom at other countries.

This time Japan is going to prove it, by liberating Okinawa.

Not.


It's easy to judge others, to give opinion to others.

But not themselves.


For Chinese, like Joshua Wong, who always see the West and Japan as champions, I want to know what is their opinion about Okinawa liberation? Why is this matter so hard to solve?

Perhaps they really know why Japan doesn't want to liberate Okinawa.

Perhaps they really know that their freedom movement is full of selfishness and extremely dishonest, they know they are lying, they know their friends (or some idiots) ended in prison or die for something dishonest.

Those who saw the West and Japan as champions finally will be silent. Silent because they know, they are dishonest, selfish, foolish, or having mental illness in the first place.

A hero turns out not to be a real hero anyway.
 
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Japan won it gets to take the islands

if China wants to take it go ahead

strongest persons decides the rules not weakest

its the way world works
ignorant people. You don’t even know the history of your country. Japan lost World War II. According to the Potsdam Proclamation, this legal document signed by China, the United States, and the United Kingdom stipulates that Japan surrenders unconditionally, and Japan’s territorial sovereignty must be limited to Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku, and other small islands as determined by the governments of the three countries (Article 8).



Stupid, although America has become Japan's father and Britain has become Japan's aunt. But the United States has no right to transfer the sovereignty of Ryukyu to Japan without the consent of China. In fact, the United States only transferred the management of Ryukyu to Japan, and the sovereignty of Ryukyu is still inconclusive. Because according to post-war international law, unless China, the United States, and the United Kingdom all agree, Japan does not have sovereignty over Ryukyu.

China didn't want to talk about this topic before, but now that Japan dares to touch Taiwan again, China will definitely raise the issue of Ryukyu's undecided sovereignty. In fact, Ryukyu people have been bearing the pain of Japan's evil. The Japanese forced the Ryukyu people to commit suicide against the U.S. military, killing 200,000 locals. When 200,000 Ryukyu people died, the Japanese immediately surrendered to the U.S. military unconditionally, avoiding the damage caused by the large-scale landing operations of the U.S. in Japan.
For decades, the crimes committed by the U.S. military in Ryukyu have enjoyed extraterritoriality and are not governed by local laws. Whether it is murder or rape, the Ryukyu people bear the pain, while the Japanese watch and laugh at them from afar. The Japanese do evil, and the Ryukyu people bear the pain .
I remember that in 1995, several black American soldiers gang-raped and killed a Ryukyu girl. That girl was my age so I always remember
 
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ignorant people. You don’t even know the history of your country. Japan lost World War II. According to the Potsdam Proclamation, this legal document signed by China, the United States, and the United Kingdom stipulates that Japan surrenders unconditionally, and Japan’s territorial sovereignty must be limited to Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku, and other small islands as determined by the governments of the three countries (Article 8).



Stupid, although America has become Japan's father and Britain has become Japan's aunt. But the United States has no right to transfer the sovereignty of Ryukyu to Japan without the consent of China. In fact, the United States only transferred the management of Ryukyu to Japan, and the sovereignty of Ryukyu is still inconclusive. Because according to post-war international law, unless China, the United States, and the United Kingdom all agree, Japan does not have sovereignty over Ryukyu.

China didn't want to talk about this topic before, but now that Japan dares to touch Taiwan again, China will definitely raise the issue of Ryukyu's undecided sovereignty. In fact, Ryukyu people have been bearing the pain of Japan's evil. The Japanese forced the Ryukyu people to commit suicide against the U.S. military, killing 200,000 locals. When 200,000 Ryukyu people died, the Japanese immediately surrendered to the U.S. military unconditionally, avoiding the damage caused by the large-scale landing operations of the U.S. in Japan.
For decades, the crimes committed by the U.S. military in Ryukyu have enjoyed extraterritoriality and are not governed by local laws. Whether it is murder or rape, the Ryukyu people bear the pain, while the Japanese watch and laugh at them from afar. The Japanese do evil, and the Ryukyu people bear the pain .
I remember that in 1995, several black American soldiers gang-raped and killed a Ryukyu girl. That girl was my age so I always remember

it belongs to Japan and always has done

if you can take it by force and try it and see what happens

JMSDF is a top tier navy not like Chinese Casino Carrier
 
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it belongs to Japan and always has done

if you can take it by force and try it and see what happens

JMSDF is a top tier navy not like Chinese Casino Carrier
LoL, In Britain we are doomed...

 
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it belongs to Japan and always has done

if you can take it by force and try it and see what happens

JMSDF is a top tier navy not like Chinese Casino Carrier
Gibraltar belongs to Spain

Malvinas Belongs to Argentina

Independence for Northern Ireland

China will push for decolonization more and more loudly

This is the transitional justice,
 
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it belongs to Japan and always has done

if you can take it by force and try it and see what happens

JMSDF is a top tier navy not like Chinese Casino Carrier
A fake Englishman, but an immigrant from south asia, who pretends to be more colonialist than the British
 
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A fake Englishman, but an immigrant from south asia, who pretends to be more colonialist than the British

Britain is run and owned by South Asians not only England but also Scotland

its not like Chinese where minority dont get access to opportunities and the Ughurs and Tibetans are killed and murdered for their body parts and sold on the black market

Gibraltar belongs to Spain

Malvinas Belongs to Argentina

Independence for Northern Ireland

China will push for decolonization more and more loudly

This is the transitional justice,

says who you? that doesnt mean anything and doesn't change the facts

both Falkland and Gibraltar are under British Jurisdiction accordingly to International law
 
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its not like Chinese where minority dont get access to opportunities and the Ughurs and Tibetans are killed and murdered for their body parts and sold on the black market
Says so the bullshit of a fool.
 
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Britain is run and owned by South Asians not only England but also Scotland
I think you misinterpret slaves with owners. Yes a small minority of UK is South Asians and most of them are told what to do and how to act by whitey.

By even saying something retarded like this, especially a country that loves bombing muslims for fun, Now we know how delusional you are lol
 
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Okinawa gov. visits Ryukyu graveyard in Beijing, cherishes ties​

KYODO NEWS - 12 hours ago - 18:39

Okinawa Gov. Denny Tamaki visited Tuesday the ruins of a graveyard in the suburbs of Beijing where islanders from the time when the southern Japanese prefecture was the Ryukyu Kingdom were buried during the Qing Dynasty.

Recognizing the long history of the relationship between China and the islands, the governor told reporters, "We will inherit and firmly maintain ties between China and Okinawa and create a peaceful and rich era."

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https://english.kyodonews.net/news/...ukyu-graveyard-in-beijing-cherishes-ties.html
 
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