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Obama: US to leave 8,400 troops in Afghanistan

Game over? What are you talking? The Afghan state stands, the ANSF is defends the motherland, millions of kids in school, commerce goes smoothly, we actually have the time while the Talis have the watches.

Your time is running out and you know it

Another buffoonery that you and US did was 1 Afghani = 2 Pak rupees , right ? and you people have been very proud of this

Guess what this is called the "Dutch Disease" , due to inflow of foreign aid that you people are now hooked onto like opium

Among the many side effects of aid is the “Dutch Disease” effect: flooding U.S. dollars in billions into Afghanistan, a small open economy, adversely affects the country’s economy in terms of inflation and exports. Foreign currency inflows appreciate Afghan currency, making domestic goods less price competitive on the export market, and preventing exporters from competing. It also kills off domestic demand for Afghan goods, as the goods become more expensive. This causes businesses to close and people to lose their jobs, resulting in increasing poverty. With more poverty, Afghanistan gets more aid money, ending up in a vicious cycle.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/05/afghanistans-addiction-to-foreign-aid/

Your currency was artificially inflated , that meant that no real growth of local industry as your currency was artifiicaly inflated. So for 15 years you had no real intrinsic development and the artificially inflated currency made your local products less
competitive

All that meant was that afghan continues to use the Pakistani rupee to do business and rely on imports
What happen when we shut you out , you'll find out in due time

By closing the border we intend to take away the excuse of blaming us for your own failures
 
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This is very significant shift as it signals long term commitment to AF security, and it also attaches how important of a strategic partner AF is to the US.

@pakistani342 : Your thesis that the US has already left is disapproved as I always maintained that the US is here to stay for a very very long time, decades to come. This latest move is just one indicator in that direction and also the recent tweets from GHQ declaring that they will now allow anyone from Pakistan to destabilize AF is probably also taken because GHQ now knows that the US is here to stay for a very very long time and is fully invested in the security of Afghanistan.


http://thehill.com/policy/defense/286638-us-to-leave-8400-troops-in-afghanistan


President Barack Obama, who once promised to withdraw all U.S. combat troops from Afghanistan within 16 months of taking office, acknowledged on Wednesday that his successor will instead have to resolve America’s longest armed conflict.

Obama announced that he would again slow the U.S. withdrawal from the country, where Afghan government forces are struggling to take and keep territory from the Taliban. About 8,400 U.S. military personnel will remain in the country at the end of the year to help with what Obama called a “precarious” security situation.

“We’re guided by the facts -- the situation on the ground -- to determine what’s working and what needs to be changed,” Obama said Wednesday. The U.S. troops would continue to focus on training Afghan forces and on counter terrorism missions, he said.

The move, which comes a day before Obama heads to Warsaw for a meeting with other North Atlantic Treaty Organization leaders, means his successor -- likely either Democrat Hillary Clinton or Republican Donald Trump -- will also have to wrestle with the Afghan war, now in its 15th year. Administration officials who refused to be identified told reporters in a briefing arranged by the White House that a resolution will require the Taliban and Afghan government to negotiate a truce, an outcome they acknowledged is complicated by the Taliban’s reluctance to engage in talks.

Taliban Threat
“Obama has basically realized that there’s not much more he can do to resolve the Afghan issue,” Firat Unlu, an Asia analyst at the Economist Intelligence Unit in London, said by phone.

The Taliban remain a threat to the government in Afghanistan and the country’s security forces are not as strong as they need to be, Obama said in remarks at the White House. He said his decision would give his successor a “solid foundation” to ensure stability in the region.

“I’ve made it clear that I will not allow Afghanistan to be used as safe haven for terrorists to attack our nation again," Obama said.

The U.S. had previously planned to draw down troop levels in Afghanistan from 9,800 to about 5,500 by the end of the Obama administration. That pace already represented a retreat from initial plans to reduce the footprint of American soldiers to just 1,000 based out of the Kabul embassy by 2017.

But the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan has gained new momentum, including a suicide attack late last month on a convoy of police cadets that left at least 33 people dead.

‘Higher Number’
Obama’s decision is “a start, but simply providing a new and higher number of total troops does not indicate that 8,400 will be any more adequate than 5,500,” said Anthony Cordesman, a national security analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. The move also overlooks other challenges to Afghan stability, including a political crisis and a faltering economy, he said.

“It does not address the level of corruption and power broker activity that does so much to discredit the government, or the failures in the justice system, rising levels of poverty and employment, and deepening sectarian and ethnic tension,” Cordesman said in an e-mail.


Military Recommendation
The president said the change was recommended by General John Nicholson, his new commander in Afghanistan. Nicholson has been reviewing the U.S. posture in the country, and his predecessors had also requested a larger contingent of troops. Last month, Obama gave U.S. forces broader latitude to assist Afghan forces, including through greater use of air power.

“The Afghan military hasn’t really stepped up to the plate to the extent necessary,” Unlu said. He called the situation “a difficult period for Western governments.”

The move reflects U.S. commanders’ assessment that Afghan forces are suffering heavy losses and unable to stem insurgent gains without continued advice and some combat support, said Ken Katzman, a Congressional Research Service analyst who follows Middle East and Afghanistan security issues. It also signals the U.S. military view that extremist groups -- including al-Qaeda and Islamic State -- have grown in strength in Afghanistan over the past year, he said.

‘Strategic Rationale’
The move comes two days after Republican senators visiting the country warned that the mission there risked failure if troop levels were further reduced.

Senator John McCain, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, welcomed the decision to slow troop withdrawals, though he questioned whether the number of U.S. forces should be reduced at all.

“When the President himself describes the security situation in Afghanistan as ‘precarious,’ it is difficult to discern any strategic rationale for withdrawing 1,400 U.S. troops by the end of the year,” McCain, who was among the Republican lawmakers who had just visited Afghanistan, said in a statement Wednesday.

The announcement also allows other NATO allies to calibrate their troop levels. The alliance is expected to approve an extension of its mission and funding for Afghan security forces during the meeting later this week in Poland.

With his announcement, the president is leaving it to his successor to work with the Afghan government to come up with a real plan for shoring up the country’s security and economy, Unlu said: "What is necessary is for the Afghan forces to step up, basically, and make more progress.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...back-afghan-withdrawal-amid-continued-threats

Basically, Kabul corrupt and drug lord's government is not going to survive without the help of Americans, that's what he is saying.
 
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So wait a minute. You cannot build gates and fences because you are being fired upon from Afghanistan. Thats similar situation for the U.S. military when establishing outposts near the Pakistan border and being fired upon which prevents them doing the job of keeping the Taliban from going back into Afghanistan even when thousands of Taliban have been killed or wounded and retreated to Pakistan which leads to how was it possible unless you cannot watch your borders as well like us.

You made no real effort to close the border , show me proof that you did

Don't give me pics of isolated outposts , show me strategy announcement by US government over the past 15 years that they intend to close off the border

I bet they could have done that in 100 billion
 
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You made no real effort to close the border , show me proof that you did

Don't give me pics of isolated outposts , show me strategy announcement by US government over the past 15 years that they intend to close off the border

I bet they could have done that in 100 billion

http://www.nato.int/isaf/docu/pressreleases/2008/04-april/pr080420-152.html

Sure no problem.

ISAF, Afghanistan and Pakistan address border security in Kandahar
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KABUL, Afghanistan - Major General Marc Lessard, Regional Command South (RC-South), joined Afghanistan and Pakistan officials at the 3rd Border Security Sub-Committee Meeting (BSSM) at the Afghan National Army Headquarters in Kandahar on 17

April 2008.

The meeting, hosted by Brigadier General Ghulam Ali Wahdat, Regional Chief of Police, and Brigadier General Gul Aqa Naibi, Commander Army 205 Corps, was held to discuss key topics such as improving communication and liaison between Afghanistan, Pakistan and ISAF, and how to improve cooperation along the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan National Security Forces.


"The military-to-military cooperation between ISAF, the Afghan National Security Forces and Pakistani forces continues unabated," said Brig. Gen. Naibi. "This is very important for us and efforts to curtail cross-border support to insurgents must continue.
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"We are fully committed to support the Afghan National Security Forces as progress is being made in initiating joint border patrols and in improving cooperation at the tactical level," said Maj. Gen. Lessard. "Afghanistan and Pakistan are increasing their substantial support to stabilise the security situation along their borders but much more needs to be done."

Border security, a key component of ISAF’s strategic vision for Afghanistan


ISAF’s strategic vision for Afghanistan was adopted by the Heads of state and government of the nations contributing to the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) at the NATO summit held in Bucharest on 2-4 April 2008.


ISAF’s statement said Afghanistan’s neighbours have an important role to play in helping Afghanistan build a more stable and secure future. The threats of violent extremism and narcotics are not Afghanistan’s alone. The region stands to benefit when these threats are dealt with effectively. To help foster a long-term regional approach to security challenges and cooperation, ISAF contributing nations:


  • Calls on Afghanistan’s neighbours to act resolutely in support of the Afghan Government’s efforts to build a stable Afghanistan with secure borders;
  • Looks forward to deepening their engagement with Afghanistan’s neighbours, particularly Pakistan;
  • Supports efforts to improve security and stability along the Afghanistan/Pakistan border; and
  • Encourages further cooperation and intensified dialogue between Afghanistan and Pakistan including through the Jirga mechanisms, the Ankara process and the Tripartite Commission.
The BSSM is a sub committee of the Tripartite Commission. It takes place approximately every two months and the meeting is held alternately in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The purpose of the BSSM is to enable the commanders in the southern region, the Regional Command South commander, 205th Corps commander and the Regional Chief of Police to meet their counterparts in Pakistan in order to continue to foster the security relationship and contribute to regional security.
 
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http://www.nato.int/isaf/docu/pressreleases/2008/04-april/pr080420-152.html

Sure no problem.

ISAF, Afghanistan and Pakistan address border security in Kandahar
080420a.jpg

KABUL, Afghanistan - Major General Marc Lessard, Regional Command South (RC-South), joined Afghanistan and Pakistan officials at the 3rd Border Security Sub-Committee Meeting (BSSM) at the Afghan National Army Headquarters in Kandahar on 17

April 2008.

The meeting, hosted by Brigadier General Ghulam Ali Wahdat, Regional Chief of Police, and Brigadier General Gul Aqa Naibi, Commander Army 205 Corps, was held to discuss key topics such as improving communication and liaison between Afghanistan, Pakistan and ISAF, and how to improve cooperation along the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan National Security Forces.


"The military-to-military cooperation between ISAF, the Afghan National Security Forces and Pakistani forces continues unabated," said Brig. Gen. Naibi. "This is very important for us and efforts to curtail cross-border support to insurgents must continue.
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"We are fully committed to support the Afghan National Security Forces as progress is being made in initiating joint border patrols and in improving cooperation at the tactical level," said Maj. Gen. Lessard. "Afghanistan and Pakistan are increasing their substantial support to stabilise the security situation along their borders but much more needs to be done."

Border security, a key component of ISAF’s strategic vision for Afghanistan


ISAF’s strategic vision for Afghanistan was adopted by the Heads of state and government of the nations contributing to the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) at the NATO summit held in Bucharest on 2-4 April 2008.


ISAF’s statement said Afghanistan’s neighbours have an important role to play in helping Afghanistan build a more stable and secure future. The threats of violent extremism and narcotics are not Afghanistan’s alone. The region stands to benefit when these threats are dealt with effectively. To help foster a long-term regional approach to security challenges and cooperation, ISAF contributing nations:


  • Calls on Afghanistan’s neighbours to act resolutely in support of the Afghan Government’s efforts to build a stable Afghanistan with secure borders;
  • Looks forward to deepening their engagement with Afghanistan’s neighbours, particularly Pakistan;
  • Supports efforts to improve security and stability along the Afghanistan/Pakistan border; and
  • Encourages further cooperation and intensified dialogue between Afghanistan and Pakistan including through the Jirga mechanisms, the Ankara process and the Tripartite Commission.
The BSSM is a sub committee of the Tripartite Commission. It takes place approximately every two months and the meeting is held alternately in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The purpose of the BSSM is to enable the commanders in the southern region, the Regional Command South commander, 205th Corps commander and the Regional Chief of Police to meet their counterparts in Pakistan in order to continue to foster the security relationship and contribute to regional security.

This only mentions improving communications and liaison , nothing about demarcation and border shut down
 
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This only mentions improving communications and liaison , nothing about demarcation and border shut down

If you read and comprehend, you know its about border security and preventing terrorists from crossing through. Unless you are referring to total border shutdown where nobody can go through either side. Never seen that before.
 
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This is very significant shift as it signals long term commitment to AF security, and it also attaches how important of a strategic partner AF is to the US.

@pakistani342 : Your thesis that the US has already left is disapproved as I always maintained that the US is here to stay for a very very long time, decades to come. This latest move is just one indicator in that direction and also the recent tweets from GHQ declaring that they will now allow anyone from Pakistan to destabilize AF is probably also taken because GHQ now knows that the US is here to stay for a very very long time and is fully invested in the security of Afghanistan.


http://thehill.com/policy/defense/286638-us-to-leave-8400-troops-in-afghanistan

Stop relying so heavily on your new BAPU,.. What has ur US has done before to safe u guys ????
i mean, all UR US to stay hasn't done much before, and they can't do much now,.. they were confined to their camps and don't move outside those walls,. for that they have pets like you, who believe that their Saviours r in Afghanistan to STAY FOR A VERY LONG TIME,.. forget them, they r not here to save u guys,.. u have to get ur azz kicked as usual...
 
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Stop relying so heavily on your new BAPU,.. What has ur US has done before to safe u guys ????
i mean, all UR US to stay hasn't done much before, and they can't do much now,.. they were confined to their camps and don't move outside those walls,. for that they have pets like you, who believe that their Saviours r in Afghanistan to STAY FOR A VERY LONG TIME,.. forget them, they r not here to save u guys,.. u have to get ur azz kicked as usual...

Don't believe in that BS about the U.S. military don't move outside the walls or anything like that.
 
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Don't believe in that BS about the U.S. military don't move outside the walls or anything like that.

so What BS u want us to believe ??? that the US troops move freely in Afghanistan anytime without any fear and that they control Afghanistan ??? ok i believe in this BS now...

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/taliban-control-afghanistan-highest-u-s-invasion-n507031

But i don't accept the report though its from a US official.. and i'll continue to believe in the BS that US troops control Afghanistan.
 
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so What BS u want us to believe ??? that the US troops move freely in Afghanistan anytime without any fear and that they control Afghanistan ??? ok i believe in this BS now...

Oh I see troops outside of walls and camps. Wow that debunk your BS.

Does the Taliban able to move freely without fear? Nope.
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This is very significant shift as it signals long term commitment to AF security, and it also attaches how important of a strategic partner AF is to the US.

@pakistani342 : Your thesis that the US has already left is disapproved as I always maintained that the US is here to stay for a very very long time, decades to come. This latest move is just one indicator in that direction and also the recent tweets from GHQ declaring that they will now allow anyone from Pakistan to destabilize AF is probably also taken because GHQ now knows that the US is here to stay for a very very long time and is fully invested in the security of Afghanistan.


http://thehill.com/policy/defense/286638-us-to-leave-8400-troops-in-afghanistan
Actually my prediction was they will keep 10000 troops for very long time.
 
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Saudi Arabia kicked us out. Sounds impossible.

That was a different reason. This is different. We all know that this so called war on terror and the action taken under its title has spawned terror like never before.

Afghanistan strategic location provides an ideal outpost to keep an eye on the region. This area is also called 'heart of Asia'. Its a great geographic location. The thing is how long can America sustain such an expensive adventure.
 
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This is very significant shift as it signals long term commitment to AF security, and it also attaches how important of a strategic partner AF is to the US.

@pakistani342 : Your thesis that the US has already left is disapproved as I always maintained that the US is here to stay for a very very long time, decades to come. This latest move is just one indicator in that direction and also the recent tweets from GHQ declaring that they will now allow anyone from Pakistan to destabilize AF is probably also taken because GHQ now knows that the US is here to stay for a very very long time and is fully invested in the security of Afghanistan.


http://thehill.com/policy/defense/286638-us-to-leave-8400-troops-in-afghanistan

Here is a minor point by comparison:

The US maintains roughly 30,000 troops in South Korea -- which is developed nation has very strong military and have North Korea to its North. Now extend that to Afghanistan with Pakistan to its east.
 
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Which is fine with us because our interests converge and that is the reason for a strategic security agreement between the NUG and the US gov which provides military bases to the US military for decades to come if needed.

Your interests and those of countries which beg aid from west become subservient to the interests of donors. Agreement is between equals. Not between occupiers and occupied.
 
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