Obama proposes $1.2 bln to aid Pakistani military

[S-2]

"has the US agreed to the Pakistani proposal of a FTA as have the Chinese?...The US has not done so."

We are your largest PURCHASER OF GOODS, by far, without the need of an FTA and already carry a massive trade imbalance with you. Don't willfully distort. Our markets are quite open to your goods. Sadly, your's seem rather distorted.

"Has the US agreed to extend civilian nuclear cooperation to Pakistan as it did with India, and as the Chinese have done?"

Why should we? You didn't get your bomb from us and you won't allow us to speak to A.Q. Khan about your proliferation. Earn it first...
friend.

Thanks.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You had MFN(remember soccer balls and garments), until you decided to blow up a mountain in a pee neez measuring contest with India. Last I checked we're still your largest export destination with a much smaller trade deficit.

Since 2000 China has promised over 50 billion dollars but delivered precious little. Once again Chinese relations with Pakistan isn't 'brotherly' its just business.

I never said Chinese relations with Pakistan were 'brotherly', nor have I ever (though I am aware of the propensity of some on this forum to characterize them as such). I completely agree that they are 'business'.

I am merely pointing out that compared to the US the Chinese have offered far more 'value for the the relationship'.

The US is a major export destination for Pakistani products simply because of the competitiveness of certain Pakistani products with respect to products from others, not because of any great concessions that US has extended to Pakistan or any favors it is doing Pakistan. The Chinese have extended greater market access to Pakistan.

On the nuclear issue, I see that Israel still continues to get tens of billions in direct and indirect aid despite having a nuclear arsenal estimated to be twice as large as Pakistan's, while we got sanctioned.

And imposing sanctions on Pakistan was a US call, your laws your decision, not something mandated by the Gods, and Pakistan was not party to any international agreement prohibiting the development of nuclear weapons or their testing.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

"has the US agreed to the Pakistani proposal of a FTA as have the Chinese?...The US has not done so."

We are your largest PURCHASER OF GOODS, by far, without the need of an FTA and already carry a massive trade imbalance with you. Don't willfully distort. Our markets are quite open to your goods. Sadly, your's seem rather distorted.

You are our largest purchasers in an open market place with no special market access. You don't buy our goods as a favor. Your businesses and citizens find value in doing business with us and therefore purchase our goods in competition with products from many other nations.

"Has the US agreed to extend civilian nuclear cooperation to Pakistan as it did with India, and as the Chinese have done?"

Why should we? You didn't get your bomb from us and you won't allow us to speak to A.Q. Khan about your proliferation. Earn it first...
friend.

AQ Khan has been interrogated, questions forwarded by the US have been asked and answered, and his network has been shut down. I fail to see what physical access to him will provide, other than a false confession under torture.

And I do not see the US providing access to its intelligence, military and scientific personnel to the global community - haven't you rejected the trial of US military personnel by international courts?

In any case, the US refusal to extend Civilian nuclear cooperation, despite many Western nations in the NSG having participated in proliferation over the years themselves, is just another example of double standards and duplicity. And contrasted with extensive Chinese assistance on the nuclear front it illustrates quite clearly why the Chinese are a better partner.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Where are the Chinese when it comes to military aid in these dire times? Gajar kah kahke buri halat hogyhe, humko abhi fortune cookies chahi hey (Been eating carrots like crazy it's messed us up, now we want some damn fortune cookies).

Isn't transfer of technology a fortune for Pakistan (with Chinese fortune cookie we made JF-17, Al Khalid , Freights etc )

A hand out of billion (easy come easily gone)will drain in losses of PIA, steel mills and Railway only (thousand of PPP PML and MQM workers get their pay from there while doing nothing) while technology in hand of hard working arm forces people will build the nation for long example: China helped our forces to build roads etc.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

US businesses purchase them because those goods end up being competitive, despite US restrictions on market access through import duties.

Talking about competitiveness , At the end of Last year its estimated that the Pakistani IT Industery alone in Karachi did a business of worth 7bln US $$s satisfying its clients in US , Now they could have gone to China or India , but they are all coming to Pakistan as the IT industry here offers solutions in ten times les the cost actually charged in India or China . The figures are estimated to be tippled or quadrupled this year ..!

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Fully agreed with AM, There a term called " Theres no Free Lunch " . Now who could be crazy enough to buy goods from others when they are offered in far less price from Pakistan ...!
@S2
" We buy your goods just coz we love you and we want to be your friends " is baseless logic , US does business with Pakistan in those areas in which it benefits also, Now what we are asking is , This business can be greatly increased only if the US wants it to be . And one thing you simply cant make a nation more compliance to your will by simply giving out aid in phases , but its the "TRADE" which forces a country and its policy makers to comply despite being at odds on many other issues , Hope the US policy makers learn this basic principle of conquering a state .!
If US had greater trade , it could have use such business to negotiate its unwanted will , Like they did with France when the French were not complying with the US over Iraq War and some guys in US said " OK if you don't comply we'l stop buying your goods ". The French later on Did comply to Uncle Sam's Wishes .

 

[Solomon2]

There a term called " Theres no Free Lunch " .

TANSTAAFL: "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch."

 

[Kharian_Beast]

Isn't transfer of technology a fortune for Pakistan (with Chinese fortune cookie we made JF-17, Al Khalid , Freights etc )

A hand out of billion (easy come easily gone)will drain in losses of PIA, steel mills and Railway only (thousand of PPP PML and MQM workers get their pay from there while doing nothing) while technology in hand of hard working arm forces people will build the nation for long example: China helped our forces to build roads etc.

Mate have you seen JF-17 being used in WoT ? Have you seen any ships being used either? But we are getting a direct Counter Insurgency fund to help with this mess. This very well is China's war too, unless she would like East Turkestan issue being itched any more than they wish.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Mate have you seen JF-17 being used in WoT ? Have you seen any ships being used either? But we are getting a direct Counter Insurgency fund to help with this mess. This very well is China's war too, unless she would like East Turkestan issue being itched any more than they wish.

After Sep 2010 in place of A-5, JF-17s be doing A2G role in WoT from Peshawar.

 

[dbc]

You are our largest purchasers in an open market place with no special market access. You don't buy our goods as a favor. Your businesses and citizens find value in doing business with us and therefore purchase our goods in competition with products from many other nations.

We did buy your goods as a special favor to the detriment of our own industry but we didn't stop there we also arm twisted our allies Japan and Europe to do the same before and after 911.

The first document is a treaty granting Pakistan a multi year special concession for export of textiles and cotton signed in 1982.
http://untreaty.un.org/unts/60001_120000/27/20/00052999.pdf

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/11073.pdf

"...For U.S. textile producers, Pakistani imports pose a threat. The U.S. industry has shed 70,000 jobs the past year. One North Carolina manufacturer, Parkdale, specifically blamed low-priced imports from Pakistan for its recent decision to close a mill."

USATODAY.com - Competing interests tangle textile policy