Obama just took a parting shot at Israel — and Trump — at the UN

[Solomon2]

After doing the dirty on Israel by denying Jews' history, justice, and legal rights and then lecturing them to be honest, Obama has undertaken to relieve the great stresses of his office with a taxpayer-funded trip to Honolulu and dinner and golf with his friends:

 

[SarthakGanguly]

After doing the dirty on Israel by denying Jews' history, justice, and legal rights and then lecturing them to be honest, Obama has undertaken to relieve the great stresses of his office with a taxpayer-funded trip to Honolulu and dinner and golf with his friends:

It's sad.

But I guess its time you wait. Bide your time.

 

[Solomon2]

It's sad.

But I guess its time you wait. Bide your time.

We can now sum up eight years of Obama's foreign policy as, "Get OBL but endorse the Muslims, blame the Jews, and ignore the rest."

 

[SarthakGanguly]

We can now sum up eight years of Obama's foreign policy as, "Get OBL but endorse the Muslims, blame the Jews, and ignore the rest."

I will not call it so simply. But it was known that he did not like Israel much, and appeased the Muslims. He failed on both counts.

He was an ultra liberal dream.

Fantastic. Utopian.

And just that.

A dream.

 

[MIR RAZA HUSSAIN]

Trump said in nine words what it takes me pages to write.

THIS IS OFF THE TOPIC BUT YOUR PROFILE PIC WRONG.
THESE TWO FLAGS CAN NEVER JOIN HANDS UNTIL OUR PALESTINE BROTHERS GET JUSTICE

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

We can now sum up eight years of Obama's foreign policy as, "Get OBL but endorse the Muslims, blame the Jews, and ignore the rest."

Whats so contradicting about liking muslims and getting OBL? Ohhhhh wait I forgot you are an Islamaphobe. Sorry forgot. Also there is nothing anti-jewish with this resolution dumbass, It's common sense. Israel is breaking international law and is unfairly taking land. They should be punished. That isn't anti-jew, that's common sense.


I swear are you going to get any dumber?

 

[Tps43]

Would you care to explain why you think that is the case? That way, there is room for discussion, rather than successive blurting out of one-liner comments from all directions

Well sir just look at peace keeping missions troops there have contributed alot but just look at congo east timor etc there is still war , the disaster of iraq when US and UK attacked iraq without security council resolution plus UN has failed to stop nato and usa from promoting "self styled democracy" so there isno point if they just can't stop these thing plus 5 nations decide a future of country that to acc to me is not right.

 

[Penguin]

Well sir just look at peace keeping missions troops there have contributed alot but just look at congo east timor etc there is still war , the disaster of iraq when US and UK attacked iraq without security council resolution plus UN has failed to stop nato and usa from promoting "self styled democracy" so there isno point if they just can't stop these thing plus 5 nations decide a future of country that to acc to me is not right.

Thank you for supplemental post, in which you elaborate on your position.

Personally, I think expecting the UN (which has no military) from stopping wars alltogether may be too much to expect. Conflict has to be prevented / resolved locally, for there to be a lasting peace. Hence the difference between peacekeeping ("buffering", keeping warparties apart) and peacemaking (warparties resolving their issues together).

Since its founding, there have been many calls for reform of the United Nations but little consensus on how to do so. It is ok to criticize, but if no alternatives or specific suggestions are put forward or agreed upon, criticism alone will not change a thing.

 

[Penguin]

What a meaningless tweet by Trump: things are different every day.... no day is ever the same.

 

[Tps43]

Thank you for supplemental post, in which you elaborate on your position.

Personally, I think expecting the UN (which has no military) from stopping wars alltogether may be too much to expect. Conflict has to be prevented / resolved locally, for there to be a lasting peace. Hence the difference between peacekeeping ("buffering", keeping warparties apart) and peacemaking (warparties resolving their issues together).

Since its founding, there have been many calls for reform of the United Nations but little consensus on how to do so. It is ok to criticize, but if no alternatives or specific suggestions are put forward or agreed upon, criticism alone will not change a thing.

Sir another thing why doesn't America contribute in peace keeping missions rather attacking likes of iraq,Afghanistan etc they only contributed once in recent history that was in Somalia else they hadn't . My point is Security council should now be amended as soon as possible like seats should be increase like 1/3 of uno members should be in security council and there shouldn't be a special status given to P5 nations . For any resolution there should be polls where majority decides .
My thoughts

 

[Penguin]

Sir another thing why doesn't America contribute in peace keeping missions rather attacking likes of iraq,Afghanistan etc they only contributed once in recent history that was in Somalia else they hadn't . My point is Security council should now be amended as soon as possible like seats should be increase like 1/3 of uno members should be in security council and there shouldn't be a special status given to P5 nations . For any resolution there should be polls where majority decides .
My thoughts

You are confused as to what is and is not a UN Peacekeeping operation. Pls do some research.

Current UN peacekeeping operations:
http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/operations/current.shtml
There are no UN peace keeping missions in Iraq or Afghanistan

Past UN peacekeeping operations:
http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/operations/past.shtml

Iraq:

• United Nations Iran-Iraq Military Observer Group (UNIIMOG)
• United Nations Iraq-Kuwait Observation Mission (UNIKOM)

Afghanistan

• United Nations Good Offices Mission in Afghanistan and Pakistan (UNGOMAP)

UNIIMOG was established in August 1988 to verify, confirm and supervise the ceasefire and the withdrawal of all forces to the internationally recognized boundaries, pending a comprehensive settlement. UNIIMOG was terminated in February 1991after Iran and Iraq had withdrawn fully their forces to the internationally recognized boundaries

UNIKOM was established in April 1991 following the forced withdrawal of Iraqi forces from Kuwait. Its task was to monitor the demilitarized zone along the Iraq-Kuwait border, deter border violations and report on any hostile action. The mandate of the Mission was completed on 6 October 2003.

UNGOMAP was established in May 1988 to assist in ensuring the implementation of the Agreements on the Settlement of the Situation Relating to Afghanistan and in this context to investigate and report possible violations of any of the provisions of the Agreements.


Who provides peacekeepers?
The UN has no standing army or police force of its own, and Member States are asked to contribute military and police personnel required for each operation. Peacekeepers wear their countries’ uniform and are identified as UN Peacekeepers only by a UN blue helmet or beret and a badge.
Civilian staff of peacekeeping operations are international civil servants, recruited and deployed by the UN Secretariat.
http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/operations/newoperation.shtml

Troop and police contributors

Military and police personnel are first and foremost members of their own national services and are then seconded to work with the UN.

United States of America
29 police
5 military experts
34 troops
68 total

Below you will find a breakdown of the numbers of troops and police contributed by Member States.
https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2010/09/147828.htm

Check archive contributions by country (per month)
http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/resources/statistics/contributors_archive.shtml

In August 1990, Iraq invaded and annexed Kuwait. This subsequently led to military intervention by United States-led forces in the First Gulf War. NOT A UN PEACEKEEPING OPERATION.

Iraq's armed forces were devastated during the war and shortly after it ended in 1991, Shia and Kurdish Iraqis led several uprisings against Saddam Hussein's regime, but these were successfully repressed using the Iraqi security forces and chemical weapons. It is estimated that as many as 100,000 people, including many civilians were killed.[65] During the uprisings the US, UK, France and Turkey, claiming authority under UNSCR 688, established the Iraqi no-fly zones.NOT A UN PEACEKEEPING OPERATION.

The sanctions against Iraq were a near-total financial and trade embargo imposed by the United Nations Security Council on the Iraqi Republic. They began August 6, 1990, four days after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, stayed largely in force until May 2003 (after Saddam Hussein's being forced from power) NOT A UN PEACEKEEPING OPERATION.

Following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the George W. Bush administration began planning the overthrow of Saddam Hussein's government and in October 2002, the US Congress passed the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq. In November 2002, the UN Security Council passed UNSCR 1441 and in March 2003 the US and its allies invaded Iraq. On 20 March 2003, a United States-organized coalition invaded Iraq, under the pretext that Iraq had failed to abandon its weapons of mass destruction program in violation of U.N. Resolution 687.NOT A UN PEACEKEEPING OPERATION.

 

[maximuswarrior]

He can call it what he wants the fact remains the organisation is older than him and will outlive him. It has bought together nations, it may not be perfect, but that's a start.

Trump wants to run the world like a jungle. He sees such organizations as hurdles. If it was up to Trump, he would just do things old brute force style.

 

[Solomon2]

THIS IS OFF THE TOPIC BUT YOUR PROFILE PIC WRONG.
THESE TWO FLAGS CAN NEVER JOIN HANDS UNTIL OUR PALESTINE BROTHERS GET JUSTICE

Has Pakistan demanded such a standard in other disputes between neighboring peoples, like Sudan/South Sudan, or Morocco/Western Sahara? Furthermore, as pointed out many, many times, by design of Pakistan's educators Pakistanis have been poorly equipped to judge matters in the Israel-Palestine conflict, hence how can you determine what is just and what is not? How do you know that Israelis haven't treated the Palestinian Arabs with not only justice but mercy as well? And if you do determine this, it's also explicitly forbidden to publicly acknowledge it, yes?

 

[Solomon2]

Whats so contradicting about liking muslims and getting OBL?

Good point. I didn't mean it to read that way but I figured there was room for only one qualification in a one-sentence summary!

...there is nothing anti-jewish with this resolution -

Of course there is: it doesn't pass the antisemitic smell test, if only because it subscribes to a false version of history.

...It's common sense. Israel is breaking international law and is unfairly taking land.

Except that it's a lie. I would think an Egyptian would be especially sensitive to this. Don't you remember how Nasser kicked out the Jews, by making them sign papers that they were "voluntarily" donating their property to the State? Didn't Sisi use the same device to rob some M-B supporters of their property only a few years ago? But all the anti-Israel agitprop made you forget, right?

They should be punished. That isn't anti-jew, that's common sense.

So if Israel wasn't at the top of the land-stealing list you'd be pursuing the land-stealers in other countries, or even your home, right? And if you are such a thief, then all it takes is spending a minor portion of your loot to stir up propaganda against the Jews so you can keep your "winnings" safer, yes?

 

[Solomon2]

...It is time the US reassess our relationship with the UN. While it may not be feasible in variety of ways that it is better for US to remain in the UN, the US should no longer be passive about what we expect from the UN. Ultimately, no country needs a UN-type organization, and the one country that needs the UN the least -- the US. I have always advocated the US leaving the UN and Trump should make that threat. That will force the necessary reforms into the UN, particularly corruption.

I don't think it's easy for the U.S. to pull out of the U.N.: by U.S. law isn't our ambassador to the U.N. a member of the Cabinet? Suspending U.S. payments to the U.N. might have some effect but there's nothing to prevent the Saudis, Chinese, etc. from stepping up to the plate, right?