Number of martyred troops can’t be disclosed, Pak Senate told

[Icarus]

How does this happen?? There is a person KIA..... The details are not released, no info available on public domain, but the family will be informed? and the remains has to be handed over? and Today's world of Social media and 24/7 TV channels how one can keep this under the wraps?

The same way that the losses of intelligence personnel are dealt with. They are publicly acknowledged, you just don't go in to the specifics.

 

[pakdefender]

Jaitley and IA gave a statement couple of days back that we are and will continue to dominate the LOC, what really do they mean by dominate the LOC? Also the hotline call yesterday by Pakistani DGMO to Indian counterpart stating India shouldn't try any adventure. All this adds up to that much is going on at LOC although not much news is filtering through.

The LOC is dotted with posts on both side which are within the reach of small and medium arms that either side has and without large scale escalation or a cleverly planned operation like Kargil , there is no question of dominating

Indian and Pakistan posts have been firing each other ever since the LOC was drawn so there is nothing new that is happening except for a lot of bluffing from Modi and Nawaz Sharif planting stories in the media.

 

[prashantazazel]

I think armies hide casualties so that the new recruits don't get scared away.

 

[nair]

The same way that the losses of intelligence personnel are dealt with. They are publicly acknowledged, you just don't go in to the specifics.

I understand the intelligence personal loss, two points.... 1) They are very less in numbers compared to armed forces 2) Their job profile or details are never made public and it is easy to deal with.....

That is not the case with PA or IA

 

[Icarus]

I understand the intelligence personal loss, two points.... 1) They are very less in numbers compared to armed forces 2) Their job profile or details are never made public and it is easy to deal with.....

That is not the case with PA or IA

Even in the case of IA or PA. They need not give specifics. Hav XYZ was killed in Kashmir while discharging his duties, that's it.

 

[nair]

Ever since Nawaz was kicked out by Musharraf he has held a grudge against the Army and at the same time Nawaz is wary of the Army to the extent that he is extending a hand to india as a counter , which is not acceptable

Irrelevant to this topic or your post...

Nawaz Sharif is under investigation for corruption , he is corrupt to the bone! he has brought upon himself by being super corrupt but he thinks that the Army is behind his trial so him , his family and his cronies from time to time throw poo at the Army to get the pressure off

How they do this is in subtle ways by planting information in the media that can degrade the Army's standing with the public

Similar questions are asked by Indian MP's in Indian parliament, But how can you say that this is just to defame army???? MP's are elected representatives of the people, and it is with in their right to know about every institution in the country, (they normally avoid sensitive area such as intelligence and nukes for example)...... I do not know how one can come to such conclusion.... Any way internal matter, just wanted to understand from you thats all...

Even in the case of IA or PA. They need not give specifics. Hav XYZ was killed in Kashmir while discharging his duties, that's it.

I get your point.... But this is possible when the loss is one or two, but when it is higher than that and a repeated such occurrence will be difficult to hide is what i am trying to say

 

[MIR RAZA HUSSAIN]

now these bastard wants know the number of martyred soldiers so they can multiply it by thousand and start barking against our forces. why they are soo keen to know to whom they want to make happy by bashing our own army these political bastards should mind their own business

 

[Icarus]

I get your point.... But this is possible when the loss is one or two, but when it is higher than that and a repeated such occurrence will be difficult to hide is what i am trying to say

Most of the losses on LOC posts will probably be one or two here and there. As I stated on another thread, it is just the first salvo that can catch the enemy off-guard and result in any casualty. After the first rounds, the receiving side will simply retreat to their bunkers and wait it out.

 

[El Sidd]

Why is someone responsible for water and power infrastructure presenting this to the parliament?
I guess it is like a circus in Islamabad these days.

and Pakistan doesn't need to nor it does hide numbers from the public. On the contrary she takes pride and the families too when their beloved return from the battlefield in a shroud. The whole neighborhood comes out and it is like a celebration. Heck people attending the funeral are even jealous and tout their sons on how proud they would be.

I can understand if others cannot comprehend this but at least respect your enemy's blood in death if you are too low to do that in life.

 

[Windjammer]

Seems a case of ''The Dogs got your ear''.....and since it concerns Pakistan, more Indians are habitually looking for THE EAR than anyone else.
Here's what the article states.
''Minister of State for Water and Power Abid Sher Ali informed the house that as many as 66 civilians had been killed and 288 injured as a result of unprovoked Indian firing from across the LoC, but the number of army troops martyred could not be disclosed due to security reasons''.

Now where does it says that the army hasn't disclosed the causality figures....Abid Sher Ali is not exactly the army spokesperson, at best it should be the defense minister addressing the issue,
In the past, the practice was that the house or DSC was given briefings by some concerned party. Isn't this like the army spokesperson doing the minster's job and commenting on power shortages.
The most likely scenario is that the minister doesn't have any information or clue on the subject and decided to bail himself out with security excuse.

 

[Fireurimagination]

Seems a case of ''The Dogs got your ear''.....and since it concerns Pakistan, more Indians are habitually looking for THE EAR than anyone else.
Here's what the article states.
''Minister of State for Water and Power Abid Sher Ali informed the house that as many as 66 civilians had been killed and 288 injured as a result of unprovoked Indian firing from across the LoC, but the number of army troops martyred could not be disclosed due to security reasons''.

Now where does it says that the army hasn't disclosed the causality figures....Abid Sher Ali is not exactly the army spokesperson, at best it should be the defense minister addressing the issue,
In the past, the practice was that the house or DSC was given briefings by some concerned party. Isn't this like the army spokesperson doing the minster's job and commenting on power shortages.
The most likely scenario is that the minister doesn't have any information or clue on the subject and decided to bail himself out with security excuse.

The minister got the exact figures for civilian casualties, surely he could have got and done the same for military personnel too. He categorically stated that 'number of army troops martyred could not be disclosed as we don't want the enemy to know the numbers'. So, it's damn clear that in Pakistan the number of troops martyred is not revealed either by PA or by the civilian government. We can argue whether this is the right practice or not but the minister made it quite clear that the establishment hides or doesn't reveal the number of dead troops on LOC.

 

[Mrc]

Abid sher ali is an idiot of ultimate proportions

 

[CriticalThought]

If any parliamentarian needs to know the casualties he is more than welcome to spend a few days on the LoC and count the bodies himself. Otherwise the Army knows best what information could potentially impact its operations and should make the decision on what to release to the government. Gen Qamar Bajwa should take a stance on this.

 

[Windjammer]

The minister got the exact figures for civilian casualties, surely he could have got and done the same for military personnel too. He categorically stated that 'number of army troops martyred could not be disclosed as we don't want the enemy to know the numbers'. So, it's damn clear that in Pakistan the number of troops martyred is not revealed either by PA or by the civilian government. We can argue whether this is the right practice or not but the minister made it quite clear that the establishment hides or doesn't reveal the number of dead troops on LOC.

One is a civilian matter the other is a military concern.
It took your former defense minister six months to even recognize rank and file, he was prone to issue statement a day, with such classics as surgical strikes carried out by Hanuman....
Imagine if our minister had just replied, '' I don't have the figures for civilians or military casualties''... how the opposition would have come down on him, his inability to address the issue is highlighted above as this blundering statement is like saying, ''you can have my car but I'm not giving it to you''.....he's well known for making out of box statements.... as i said it's the job of the defense minister to address the issue.

 

[Fireurimagination]

One is a civilian matter the other is a military concern.
It took your former defense minister six months to even recognize rank and file, he was prone to issue statement a day, with such classics as surgical strikes carried out by Hanuman....
Imagine if our minister had just replied, '' I don't have the figures for civilians or military casualties''... how the opposition would have come down on him, his inability to address the issue is highlighted above as this blundering statement is like saying, ''you can have my car but I'm not giving it to you''.....he's well known for making out of box statements.... as i said it's the job of the defense minister to address the issue.

The senate has stated that no information can be hidden from them, still the defense minister, army and everybody else is quite. Just release the number big deal, any which ways most probably they will release a fudged number. I don't know much about the said minister whether he is a loony or not or was this thing done on purpose to score a brownie point over the army by NS. ISPR should just come out with a statement that we don't hide casualties and release the numbers.