Number of martyred troops can’t be disclosed, Pak Senate told

[grey boy 2]

India's Top Secret 1962 China War Report Leaked
The report has been classified top secret for over 50 years and is the subject of much speculation.

By The Diplomat Staff
March 20, 2014

Are you kidding me bro, thats your source of GOI has officially declassified the report?

 

[Aratar]

Are you kidding me bro, thats your source of GOI has officially declassified the report?

It's a very credible source.

 

[nair]

I agree. I believe casualties should be available to public.

It kind of makes India's case on Pak soldiers killed more credible.

Actually I see the posters here enjoy the current unrest in LOC, because for them the casualities are only on Indian side and what ever they get to know is the causalities of few civilians...... If they get to know the actual causalities, then they will understand the depth of this issue and how it is affecting its own troops......

There is nothing to be proud of, there are very high causalities on either side

 

[Icarus]

Stupid move, there is no use withholding casualties and if such a situation was ongoing, there was no need on part of the parliamentarians to make a news out of it.
The GHQ and the Parliament really need to get their shit in order and stop communicating over tweets/mass media, its detrimental to the institutions and the state.

 

[grey boy 2]

It's a very credible source.

From your so-called "credible" source
The report was written by two officers in the Indian Army: Lieutenant General Henderson Brooks and Brigadier General Premindra Singh Bhagat. Incumbent defense minister A.K. Antony once told Parliament that the report could not be declassified because its contents are “not only extremely sensitive but are of current operational value.” Indian news outlets have responded with calls for greater transparency on the part of the government, arguing that declassifying the report will allow for a review of past mistakes.

So in other words that you agreed with the so-called leaked report that it was India that has been "Back Stabbing" China with the "forward policy" in 1962? as you has claimed its very credible source?

According to Maxwell’s account of the report, the Indian government’s forward policy provoked China into using force against India — something that Nehru and other Indian leaders did not anticipate due to their reliance on outdated intelligence leading up to the start of the conflict.
http://thediplomat.com/2014/03/indias-top-secret-1962-china-war-report-leaked/

 

[saiyan0321]

Actually I see the posters here enjoy the current unrest in LOC, because for them the casualities are only on Indian side and what ever they get to know is the causalities of few civilians...... If they get to know the actual causalities, then they will understand the depth of this issue and how it is affecting its own troops......

There is nothing to be proud of, there are very high causalities on either side

Quite frankly there are a few things note sickening than the LOC dynamics. Both armies are there just to shoot at each other and kill each other. Senseless bloodshed. Unrest at LOC is nothing to be enjoyed at and its foolish to think that both militaries aren't suffering losses. Just bcz both militaries don't give press conference of every soldier killed doesn't mean they are not killed. I honestly believe that if full information was provided every day to both sides, if would help deescalate the issue. I normally steer clear of LOC related threads bcz all I see is useless jingoism and a complete disregard for the fallen be it civilian or military. Even the people being displaced in this madness is a very serious issue. Why should the innocent leave their lives behind to hide in bunkers or far away refugee camps just bcz the opposition was feeling macho? Those that sit far away in their AC cannot even begin to understand the horrors and dynamics of the LOC. Its just another news to be replaced by another news.

I agree. I believe casualties should be available to public.

It kind of makes India's case on Pak soldiers killed more credible.

Agreed however I personally believe that during war time or unrest times armies don't reveal casualties. Should they have revealed it when the Senate asked. Yes they should have however I think both militaries don't reveal casualties. This is not akin to saying they hide it.. They will and they must reveal when asked however they won't unnecessarily reveal it. I have followed this enough and have studied it enough to get this mutual understanding. This understanding does not mean they hide it nor does it mean that they bury the martyrs secretly. No they are buried with honors a simple sepoy would receive.


Anyway as I said before. I hate the LOC and have repeatedly stated and will say it again. There is no honor there for anybody. Just blood. Death and madness.


As for the thread. Madness by this refusal. We have a right to information in our constitution and the senate and Parliament must be informed if they ask it. Idiocy.

You know I never got when victory became akin to counting bodies. You can be victorious with more losses of you complete your objective or hold ground. Nope. Its if one side completes the objective and lost 100 and one side that fails to complete the objective and losses 80 somehow the one who completes the objective is the loser bcz he lost more.

Tch.

 

[noksss]

From your so-called "credible" source
The report was written by two officers in the Indian Army: Lieutenant General Henderson Brooks and Brigadier General Premindra Singh Bhagat. Incumbent defense minister A.K. Antony once told Parliament that the report could not be declassified because its contents are “not only extremely sensitive but are of current operational value.” Indian news outlets have responded with calls for greater transparency on the part of the government, arguing that declassifying the report will allow for a review of past mistakes.

So in other words that you agreed with the so-called leaked report that it was India that has been "Back Stabbing" China with the "forward policy" in 1962? as you has claimed its very credible source?

According to Maxwell’s account of the report, the Indian government’s forward policy provoked China into using force against India — something that Nehru and other Indian leaders did not anticipate due to their reliance on outdated intelligence leading up to the start of the conflict.
http://thediplomat.com/2014/03/indias-top-secret-1962-china-war-report-leaked/

Think about this if the army wants to hide the casualties why did they revel the figures of Kargil War ? the reason for not declassifying may be Nehru would become a culprit in the 1962 war if these are released and GOI wants to avoid that

 

[Safriz]

Pakistani ISPR issues Regular Press releases in which numbers of casualties are written with names and pictures.
Stupid senate should read those official press releases.

 

[SpArK]

The families of the dead cant call them martyr unless the government say so.

Whats their status now? Missing in action?

 

[Safriz]

Stupid move, there is no use withholding casualties and if such a situation was ongoing, there was no need on part of the parliamentarians to make a news out of it.
The GHQ and the Parliament really need to get their shit in order and stop communicating over tweets/mass media, its detrimental to the institutions and the state.

The parliament comprises of Dual nationality holders and people who have significant financial interests and hence loyalties in other countries. They should never be told even half sensitive information of national security.

 

[Icarus]

The parliament comprises of Dual nationality holders and people who have significant financial interests and hence loyalties in other countries. They should never be told even half sensitive information of national security.

None the less, as long as they hold office, they are in a position to be privy to such information. It is the institution, not the individual that the military is subservient to.

 

[pakdefender]

Once again PML-N comes out batting in favour of india , expected behaviour from them , no surprise

The Joint Investigating Team has been questioning the family of Nawaz Sharif for corruption charges , being the shameless loser that Nawaz Sharif is , he launched this turd ( Abid Sher Ali ) to make this statement

 

[Icarus]

The families of the dead cant call them martyr unless the government say so.

Whats their status now? Missing in action?

Even if the figures are not consolidated and listed, the individuals themselves are noted as KIA (Shaheed).
Its not like they're still alive and drawing pay on the books, the matter at hand revolves around the Army not releasing a single figure to account for the total losses along the LOC.

 

[pakdefender]

Nawaz League is 100% traitor

The two little fatties of Nawaz Sharif are being grilled by the JIT ( Joint Investigation Team ) , this is just another treasonous act from PML-N to deflect the scrutiny it is coming under for the years of corruption

But Nooni Goonies should know that sucking on the thingy of india is not going to save them from the gallows

The calling

The families of the dead cant call them martyr unless the government say so.

Whats their status now? Missing in action?

The real status is that india's man in Pakistan is in a lot of trouble

 

[noksss]

Message from PA to Pakistanis : Stop considering ISPR as holy source of truth when it comes to casualties on LOC