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KSA is the most influntial country in terms of international politics .

lets suppose , if KSA make nuclear weapon , will the US able to sanction KSA ?

KSA could in theory go the route of Iran or North Korea and turn into a sanctioned pariah state but neither the rulers are stupid enough to do something like that nor would the people accept it as their living standards would go down significantly. Nobody would be interested in that let alone in a time like that with Saudi Arabia Vision 2030, 4700 ongoing infrastructural projects, 500 billion big NEOM, KSA opening up at last on several fronts (economic, social, religious, entertainment) etc.

Having a well-developed nuclear energy sector and managing the nuclear cycle is enough. Enrichment can always occur after that.

Speaking about the US;


KSA, as I wrote earlier, refused to sign the "123 agreement" with the US when Rick Perry (US minister of energy) arrived 2 weeks ago or so. This is a clear sign as well as choosing the Chinese and Russian option so far.

When you are going to built 16-20 nuclear power plants, you will have to diversity which is why the deals with South Korea and Russia have been signed and others.


The show has already started but KSA knows what to do and has been working on this scenario for at least 20 years if not 30 years.


Much more is being done which I cannot tell here.

As I wrote yesterday, give it 1.5-2 decade and KSA will be another Japan or South Korea. By then, if necessary, a bomb can be done in secret or relative secret within less than a few weeks. KSA is rumored to have close to 100 secret military bases built deep in mountainous regions, underground, in isolated desert areas etc. BBC and other Western media made a report about this a few years ago due to some satellite photos that they had uncovered.



All materials necessary to built the bomb are found within KSA. Something that few countries can say.
 
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KSA could in theory go the route of Iran or North Korea and turn into a sanctioned pariah state but neither the rulers are stupid enough to do something like that nor would the people accept it as their living standards would go down significantly. Nobody would be interested in that let alone in a time like that with Saudi Arabia Vision 2030, 4700 ongoing infrastructural projects, 500 billion big NEOM, KSA opening up at last on several fronts (economic, social, religious, entertainment) etc.

Having a well-developed nuclear energy sector and managing the nuclear cycle is enough. Enrichment can always occur after that.

Speaking about the US;


KSA, as I wrote earlier, refused to sign the "123 agreement" with the US when Rick Perry (US minister of energy) arrived 2 weeks ago or so. This is a clear sign as well as choosing the Chinese and Russian option so far.

When you are going to built 16-20 nuclear power plants, you will have to diversity which is why the deals with South Korea and Russia have been signed and others.


Brother .....u forgot one thing . it is impossible to sanction KSA.

KSA cant be pariah state like north Korea .30 million Muslims go to haj annual which provides equal revenue to oil resource.

lets suppose if the westerners sanction KSA , then oil prices will touch skies . it will damage itself the west . China will be only to trade oil with KSA despite sanctions .
 
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Brother .....u forgot one thing . it is impossible to sanction KSA.

KSA cant be pariah state like north Korea .30 million Muslims go to haj annual which provides equal revenue to oil resource.

Indeed, KSA is a special case here and not really comparable to North Korea or Iran but even despite that I would not have any delusions of the power of the US. I know that they can make life difficult for KSA and every other country with the exception of China but that is even questionable as well.

Case in point here bro, is that one needs to be clever. KSA should not go the route of North Korea and Iran. It serves no benefits but only trouble. Not worth it and neither the government nor the people would accept it unless in some special circumstances. Special circumstances that have been talked about openly by officials already.

Russia, Saudi Arabia sign nuclear power agreement

December 16, 2017 at 2:25 pm | Published in: Europe & Russia, Middle East, News, Russia, Saudi Arabia
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Cooling towers of a nuclear power plant [file photo]

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US firms push Washington to restart nuclear pact talks with Riyadh

Abdullah Al-Shehri, governor of Saudi’s Electricity & Cogeneration Regulatory Authority (ECRA), said: “We are heading to build nuclear power stations and we hope to start working in them very soon to meet our basic needs.”

He noted that there are several challenges in the Kingdom regarding electricity production, in particular population growth and increased demand.

Read: Saudi Arabia to extract uranium for ‘self-sufficient’ nuclear programme
 
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Indeed, KSA is a special case here and not really comparable to North Korea or Iran but even despite that I would not have any delusions of the power of the US. I know that they can make life difficult for KSA and every other country with the exception of China but that is even questionable as well.

Case in point here bro, is that one needs to be clever. KSA should not go the route of North Korea and Iran. It serves no benefits but only trouble. Not worth it and neither the government nor the people would accept it unless in some special circumstances. Special circumstances that have been talked about openly by officials already.
i said before ,it is impossible to sanction .

if they sanction KSA the biggest oil eporter , then the oil prices will touch skies .

China will only trade with KSA despite sanctions and Pakistan will also follow . Iran will never object on KSA nuclear weapon program as far as i think
 
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lets suppose if the westerners sanction KSA
Don't be a full on retard. @Sharif al-Hijaz has already posted links that show Americans are bending over backwards to get contracts from KSA to build their nuclear reactors - possibly even ignore the rul;es on uranium. And you think after having won the contracts to build Saudi reactors Americans are going sanction KSA. Are you trying to be dumb or are you born that way? USA would sanction half of the world before they sanction KSA.

KSA practically owns the White House that Trump sits in.
 
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My point is merely that it is a step in the right direction to begin this process of mastering the full nuclear cycle and establishing one of the most sophisticated and one of the largest nuclear energy infrastructures in the world (in fact). The "bomb" while an option sometime in the future in theory, is just a side bonus but who is seriously going to threaten KSA with nuclear mayhem and which country (ies) is KSA supposedly going to nuke? Neighboring countries (Israel and Iran) and in return suffer from the after effects? That's why it is such a silly discussion.

Every country on the planet should have a right to pursue nuclear energy and in theory also building the bomb. However there are some exceptions. For instance I am not sure that the current North Korean regime is the right pick or the Iranian Mullah's but that is just me.

However it is a bit unfair that tiny Israel (extension of the US by all accounts) can built nuclear weapons with Western aid and they do not suffer any scrutiny at all nor is their right to have nuclear weapons questioned. However this right was denied to Libya and Iraq in the past and nowadays Iran and probably KSA as well and others be they Egypt or Turkey.

Some say that nuclear weapons actually enhance peace, that can very well be the case, which might actually be an argument for why more nuclear armed states in the Middle East could ensure some kind of stability or at least prevent major wars from occurring such as the Iraq-Iran war and others.

It's a complicated topic as nuclear weapons should not exist in a ideal world. Imagine for a second that everything turns into mayhem tomorrow morning and all nuclear bombs somehow go off (of course this is never going to happen in theory). Well that would mean the end of not only us humans but the entire planet as we know it. It's a deadly weapon and while countries are moving towards nuclear energy such as KSA, UAE and others, some European countries are moving away from it (Germany) and Japan due to safety reasons if I am not wrong.

Don't be a full on retard. @Sharif al-Hijaz has already posted links that show Americans are bending over backwards to get contracts from KSA to build their nuclear reactors - possibly even ignore the rul;es on uranium. And you think after having won the contracts to build Saudi reactors Americans are going sanction KSA. Are you trying to be dumb or are you born that way? USA would sanction half of the world before they sanction KSA.

KSA practically owns the White House that Trump sits in.

That's a misunderstanding. US firms are pressuring the US government to win some of the contracts that KSA is offering not to lose influence in this regard to competitors and "enemies" such as China and Russia. They want to control that aspect of KSA hence the "123 agreement" that they wanted KSA to sign which was refused by KSA and rightly so.

US could in theory turn against KSA any moment in time. It would be costly and a stupidity from their part but we are not talking about some unbreakable bond at all. You also overestimate KSA's influence greatly in relation to the relationship with the US.

This is more complicated than this. With Saudi Arabian and Russian ties reaching unprecedented heights (in the modern era if not of all-time) and China getting a bigger and bigger foothold in the GCC and region (Djibouti - where KSA and China are building a military base next to each other - what a coincidence), the Saudi Aramco IPO (that China has shown tremendous interest for), recent mass-investments from both sides, One Road One Belt (if I recall the name) project that China wants KSA and the GCC to join (which will happen) and other projects, one gets a picture of diminishing US influence. 20 years ago this was exclusive US domain with leftovers for the UK.
 
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US could in theory turn against KSA any moment in time.
Yes it could in theory but in practice there is zero chance. It would be like shooting itself in the foot. As you say USA is doing everything to retain influence in KSA and not lose it to China or Russia. Under these circumstances when USA is going out of way to retain KSA it would be utter stupidity for USA to "blow" it. USA has more to lose then KSA which can easily turn to Russia, China but America can't make another KSA.

Ps. If KSA started trading oil in Chinese Yuan next week USA would be finished. That would be like firing 1,00 nuclear missiles at the US economy.
 
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Yes it could in theory but in practice there is zero chance. It would be like shooting itself in the foot. As you say USA is doing everything to retain influence in KSA and not lose it to China or Russia. Under these circumstances when USA is going out of way to retain KSA it would be utter stupidity for USA to "blow" it. USA has more to lose then KSA which can easily turn to Russia, China but America can't make another KSA.

Ps. If KSA started trading oil in Chinese Yuan next week USA would be finished. That would be like firing 1,00 nuclear missiles at the US economy.

They are not fully successful though as in the past which is the point. The world is changing. KSA is changing and developing and becoming less and less dependent on the US. In fact the only thing that KSA really depends on currently is US weaponry which in theory could be substituted with other markets and eventually once the indigenous military sector gains further pace (by 2030 it should be another ball game altogether) this aspect will also gain much less relevance than today, I presume. Just like the US is much less dependent on Saudi Arabian oil than during the famous oil embargoes of the past (1960's and 1970's) which you might vaguely remember?

The question is whether or not the US will accept the entire package when the content of the package changes. I am not sure that they are entirely too willing to do such a thing. Less so if China and Russia are waiting in the background.

Is almost all oil not traded in dollars? Not sure about that one but you might know more than me about this however I am never going to underestimate the US let alone pretend that KSA is some kind of superpower. KSA is a regional power, an influential country compared to its population (not size naturally) and a top 20 economy out of almost 200 sovereign countries, a country with religious (Islam) and ethnic/cultural/historical (Arab) clout but it's not the US, China, Russia and not even close. However that is more than fine with me. I am not some fantast that dreams about another Umayyad Caliphate stretching from France to China led by some Hijazi dynasty or meritocracy. Or even much interested in regional "dominance". I don't ever want to see my government claim that they control 4 foreign capitals (which in reality is a lie when it comes to such Mullah claims from Iran next door) or wasting billions on foreign (non-Arab) proxies that can turn against me any given time and something they are most likely to do once the Mullah's change policies or are gone altogether.

What I care about is the economy, health sector, science, technology, environment, living standard, quality of education, entertainment sector, safety, peace etc. Yes, it sounds boring, but eventually this is what we all want or at least the vast majority of us outside of the """" measuring contests and bravado.
 
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What I care about is the economy, health sector, science, technology, environment, living standard, quality of education, entertainment sector, safety, peace etc. Yes, it sounds boring, but eventually this is what we all want or at least the vast majority of us outside of the """" measuring contests and bravado.
I am 100% with you on these points.
 
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Don't be a full on retard. @Sharif al-Hijaz has already posted links that show Americans are bending over backwards to get contracts from KSA to build their nuclear reactors - possibly even ignore the rul;es on uranium. And you think after having won the contracts to build Saudi reactors Americans are going sanction KSA. Are you trying to be dumb or are you born that way? USA would sanction half of the world before they sanction KSA.

KSA practically owns the White House that Trump sits in.
The US is a powerful ally and a dangerous one at the same time. Blindly trusting the Americans was one of the biggest mistakes of the Saudis in the past.

 
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The US is a powerful ally and a dangerous one at the same time. Blindly trusting the Americans
Well the small fox has to play the elephant with care - if it can then it wins. If it does not know how to play the elephant it is going to get hurt. Looking at Turkey you have certainly played the American elephant well. Bravo.
 
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An interesting report about uranium reserves in mainly KSA, Egypt and Sudan.

Courtesy of brother @Gomig-21

http://www-pub.iaea.org/mtcd/meetings/PDFplus/2009/cn175/URAM2009/Session 3/05_88_Howari_USA.pdf

Saudi Arabia begins exploration of uranium, thorium

17-12-2017 Argaam

The Saudi Geological Survey (SGS) has started a survey to explore and assess uranium and thorium resources in the Hail region of the Al Hail Province.

The project, which is being carried out in cooperation with the King Abdullah City for Atomic and Renewable Energy (KACARE) and the China National Nuclear Corporation (CNNC), aims to explore uranium and thorium deposits for peaceful use. (Yes of course!)


During the launch of the project last Thursday, SGS president Zohair Nawab said the Kingdom had no intentions to use nuclear energy for military purposes.

The exploration survey is intended for mineral wealth exploration, power generation, seawater desalination, and developing renewable energy sources, he added.

In March, SGS and CNNC signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) in Beijing for bilateral cooperation in mineral resources. The two companies signed another MoU in September to explore uranium and thorium resources.

In October, Hashim bin Abdullah Yamani, president of KACARE, the agency tasked with the nuclear plans, said in Abu Dhabi that the Kingdom plans to extract uranium domestically as part of its nuclear power program and sees it as a step towards “self-sufficiency” in producing atomic fuel.

The world’s top oil exporter will award a construction contract for its first two nuclear reactors by the end of 2018, according to Reuters.

Last week, Bloomberg reported, citing three unnamed sources that the US government was “encouraging” Saudi Arabia to consider bids by American companies to build nuclear reactors and “may allow the enrichment of uranium.” (Yes, of course!)


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https://www.argaam.com/en/article/articledetail/id/519901

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Interesting times indeed.

@Bubblegum Crisis @The SC
 
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Troll infestation on PDF as usual but in the real world groundbreaking events like this take place. What a time to be alive.









@The SC I cannot underestimate the significance of this step and news. It will be a moment where we will look back and say "here it really began". What's better LOCAL nuclear engineers, engineers, institutions (KACARE) are all involved. As well as local infrastructure.

Very happy that this will be done with our trusted Chinese friends and partners. I hoped for that in the other thread on the Arab section if you recall. It turned out to be the Chinese after all.:cheers:

The gifs above are just for fun and to move away from the trolling from certain users here. Also to annoy a few Mullah drones. Never hurts.:lol:
 
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Will someone tell all the idiots here, there is a huge huge, like here to pluto difference between creating nuclear powerplants and actual nuclear weapons, pata nhn kdhr se uth ke a jate hen bongian marne...saudia will become a nuclear power when hell rolls over n freezes...
 
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Troll infestation on PDF as usual but in the real world groundbreaking events like this take place. What a time to be alive.









@The SC I cannot underestimate the significance of this step and news. It will be a moment where we will look back and say "here it really began". What's better LOCAL nuclear engineers, engineers, institutions (KACARE) are all involved. As well as local infrastructure.

Very happy that this will be done with Chinese. I hoped for that in the other thread on the Arab section if you recall. I was right.:cheers:
Indeed Bro, it has been almost 60 years of waiting in the Arab world in general, where experimental nuclear reactors have been the main educational tools in the hands of the Arab world.. we can see a frog leap now with these developments.. as most of the important Arab nations will have civilian nuclear plants for energy use.. and sea water desalination like in the case of Egypt, the UAE and KSA.. a tremendous leap in nuclear science and the mastering of the full nuclear cycle that will bring many benefits now and forever..

Will someone tell all the idiots here, there is a huge huge, like here to pluto difference between creating nuclear powerplants and actual nuclear weapons, pata nhn kdhr se uth ke a jate hen bongian marne...saudia will become a nuclear power when hell rolls over n freezes...
A civilian nuclear power who masters the full nuclear cycle is also called a nuclear power.. like Japan for instance..
Depending of course on the context of talk about a nuclear power.. is it about nuclear weapons or nuclear technology? .. some nuclear weapons possessing states do not have nuclear technology like making their own nuclear reactors.. others do not have nuclear weapons by choice but have very advanced nuclear technologies.. So there are no idiots here.. if you do no want to appear as something like that.. do further your knowledge..
 
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