Now, a Facebook 'like' leads to sedition charges in India

[bronxbull]

sikhs called gandhi?

Hahhaaha.

Gandhi is a Gujarati caste meaning seller of perfumes,thats all.

 

[Not Sure]

sikhs called gandhi?

Hahhaaha.

Gandhi is a Gujarati caste meaning seller of perfumes,thats all.

Mechanic of my car is a Sikh - Seetu Gandhi, in Tilak Nagar, New Delhi.

Milna ho to Dilli aa jaana, Tilak Nagar ki chaat chatwa ke bhejunga.

 

[AHAM BRIHMASMI]

This has always been the case. Many others have the same problem. Muslims are basically constantly made aware that they are Pakistanis and belong there. My cousin from a young age during talk of cricket matches was always told "tum toh Pakistan ko support kar rahey ho ge?"

While I was in Lucknow I brought this really cool Pakistani t-shirt, words like Pakistan Zindabad on it and other stuff. I was wearing it and when it went for a wash to the laundry-well never saw it again. My relatives hid it I believe.

A Muslim is always linked to Pakistan in some way or the other.
Because of us too. We just don't leave them and our ancestral homes and consider them a part of our clan, our family. I remember a friend. Got to actually know him through another group related to SW. He moved from Hyderabad and was also from one of the families there killed in Afzalganj riots.

Now says all Muslims are Pakistani. No Muslim can be an Indian. He really dislikes the place.

Now its 2 years ago but one day some of his relatives contact me, that guy is going to get all of us killed here. The others don't want us to have any link to Pakistan. They wanted me to actually stop him because he had threatened some RSS gundas and they were looking for him. They broke into Syed Haveli in Hyderabad or something.

Its these kinds of things that don't let Muslims integrate, sadly.

I suppose you would have wore that shirt one or two times with words "PAKISTAN ZINDABAD" on it and still alive and healthy to narrate your story. Now think, if a hindu in pakistan would have wore the shirt with words "HINDUSTAN ZINDABAD", imagine,what would have happened to him.

 

[KRAIT]

@haviZsultan I wasn't online and really not interested in reading such long posts which can be summed up in one word. Cr@p.

BTW you are just trolling and everyone here is just thinking how much attention seeker one can get, then they look at your name, and it explains everything.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

OOOOooo !! I am now afraid to 'like' something on FB !! What have gotton over in India?? Do these police officers do even know what is social network or FB?????

Very very bad !!

 

[Not Sure]

I suppose you would have wore that shirt one or two times with words "PAKISTAN ZINDABAD" on it and still alive and healthy to narrate your story. Now think, if a hindu in pakistan would have wore the shirt with words "HINDUSTAN ZINDABAD", imagine,what would have happened to him.

Always better aware than the most, the ever tharki man

 

[AHAM BRIHMASMI]

Always better aware than the most, the ever tharki man

ha ha ha ha, sir plz send your cell no @ never_say_never8848@yahoo.com or never_say_never1971@yahoo.com. Was seeking your new no. , but couldn't get.

 

[neutral_person]

What I find funny is while Pakistan systematically got rid of its Hindu population via genocide, we Indians even to this day are suffering from this stupid delusion of "Secularism" when some Indian Muslims openly support Pakistan over India.

As RSS had suggested in 1947, a total population exchange should have taken place, all Pak non-Muslims to India, and all Indian Muslims to Pak. Pakistanis have very cunningly killed off all its Hindu minorities or forced them to flee to India. While we Indians still suffer from enemies within. Frankly, we deserve it, for we have always been a useless nation...

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

What I find funny is while Pakistan systematically got rid of its Hindu population via genocide, we Indians even to this day are suffering from this stupid delusion of "Secularism" when some Indian Muslims openly support Pakistan over India.

As RSS had suggested in 1947, a total population exchange should have taken place, all Pak non-Muslims to India, and all Indian Muslims to Pak. Pakistanis have very cunningly killed off all its Hindu minorities or forced them to flee to India. While we Indians still suffer from enemies within. Frankly, we deserve it, for we have always been a useless nation...

Just cos one nation have done something, we should follow in their footsteps. ?
There are "some" elements who support Pakistan, but i wont accept this generalisation. And u r more wrong in ur posts.

Mind it the decision of Pakistan was taken without the consent of all muslims of India. The muslims living in the south had no part in it. Only the Muslims in Sindh, Bengal, UP and Bihar had formed the idea of Pakistan.

So u want to deport all of them, just cos they are muslims?
This is honestly an shamefull agreement. Dr.Kalam would be pained to read this post.

 

[haviZsultan]

Arundhati Roy.

I forgot to add rights workers and separatists...

Why sir, why so hyper, did you personally file the adoption papers of Feroze Gandhi?

Feroze Gandhi's father was a Gandhi, brother was a Gandhi, grandfather was a Gandhi... do you think Mahatma Gandhi adopted all of them? lol

May be you should go and ask his nephew Rustom Gandhi if he too was adopted by Mahatma Gandhi.

'Gandhi' surname does not belong to just one family in India. I have known Parsis, Muslims, Hindus, and even Sikhs with the surname Gandhi.

Frankly the thing is you guys cannot discuss a certain topic that is a little controversial or shows a negative side of India. Its certainly quite successfully created a "shiny" image of India abroad but it has done nothing to alleviate the issues ordinary people in India or minorities face.

You either try to deny facts stated in the post or go off comparing with Pakistan which usually isn't the debate topic. I was operating on the theory that Varun is Mahatma Gandhi's grandson/great grandson due to the adoption. As one poster claimed Feroze had a sikh background so no one has a clue. There is so much ambiguity here.

Nehru-Khan-Gandhi Dynasty: Jawaharlal Nehru was the first prime minister of modern India, and he ruled the country from 1947 to 1964. He was born on 14th November 1889, to Motilal and Swarup Rani Nehru. The family belonged to a Kashmiri Brahmin tribe called ‘Pandit.’

Indira Gandhi, daughter of Jawaharlal Nehru, became prime minister of India in 1966. Mrs. Gandhi was born on November 19, 1917 to Jawaharlal and Kamala Nehru. She was named Indira Priyadarshini Nehru. She fell in love and decided to marry Feroze Khan, a family friend. Feroze Khan’s father, Nawab Khan, was a Muslim, and mother was a Persian Muslim. Jawaharlal Nehru did not approve of the inter-caste marriage for political reasons (see Policy | Asia Society society/indiragandhi.cfm). If Indira Nehru were to marry a Muslim she would loose the possibility of becoming the heir to the future Nehru dynasty. At this juncture, according to one story, Mahatma Gandhi intervened and adopted Feroze Khan, gave him his last name (family name/caste name) and got the name of Feroz Khan changed to Feroz Gandhi by an affidavit in England. Thus, Feroze Khan became Feroze Gandhi. Though Mahatma belonged to Bania/Gandhi caste (a business tribe) the proposal was acceptable to Nehru for political reasons. Indira Nehru married Feroze (Khan) Gandhi in 1942 and became Indira Gandhi, which helped her politically as daughter of Nehru (the first Prime Minister of the Indian Union) and daughter–in-law of Gandhi (the father of the nation) securing her place in the future Nehru-Gandhi dynasty (based on swordoftruth.com). Another story, according to Mr. Arvind Lavakare in a personal communication to me, is that Feroz had a Parsi father whose surname was "GHANDI" not "GANDHI". That was made clear by an advertisement in a major English newspaper of Allahabad. It was Mahatma Gandhi who suggested to Nehru that Feroze's surname be spelt as "GANDHI" instead of the original "GHANDI". An RSS columnist wrote that "Ghandi's" mother was a Muslim, and since an offspring takes on the religion of its mother, Feroz ought to be considered a Muslim.

So you are ignoring an entire thought-process to claim he wasn't related to Gandhi. In any case what are you trying to prove?

In any case I already reiterated the point that I personally respect Gandhi ji but my point is, did the children of Gandhi really learn a thing from him? I mean no one cares he was shot dead by an RSS militant and RSS still operates? It is your choice what you do with your country. We left it and will do everything to help those who want to leave even now as we have done in the past. Just don't tell me not to defend those left there. My ancestral home is in Lucknow.

Also seeing the attitudes here... if a lot of Muslims openly support Pakistan there then the reasons lie within your mindsets.

I suppose you would have wore that shirt one or two times with words "PAKISTAN ZINDABAD" on it and still alive and healthy to narrate your story. Now think, if a hindu in pakistan would have wore the shirt with words "HINDUSTAN ZINDABAD", imagine,what would have happened to him.

Actually they did not let me wear it anywhere outside our ancestral home... I went to this shop and earlier had told the shop-keeper I am Pakistani. I asked him how much something cost and made a good-natured comment that things were expensive here compared to Pakistan he got angry. To reinforce his national identity he began talking about "cheap maal" in Pakistan all of it being imported from India. I argued with him a little bit and later cousins found out. They were pissed at why I had to say I am from Pakistan.

My friend in India people don't trust Pakistanis. If I moved around with that shirt the RSS thugs would have got me.

Also @Bang Galore stop being an internet warrior. You can say you do not agree with me but you cannot ignore valid evidences in this regard. There is a section of people who still call Feroze Khan a Muslim. If it was a debate on Indhra Gandhi by RSS thugs this would be discussed. According to all evidence his parents had the last name Khan. The Gandhi came later on.

In either case this isn't a case of "monkey took the rich merchants dhoti and ran away," this is a simple debate. You cannot run the site the way you want.

 

[Safriz]

Free democratic India...

now now where are minority rights?

 

[Dubious]

KOCHI: Clicking on the 'like' button on Facebook has landed K H Muhammed Ali, a native of Eloor and Dubai municipality employee, in deep trouble. He has been charged with sedition and insulting national honour.

The only crime that Ali remembers doing is clicking 'like' on the Facebook profiles of friends, including a few Pakistanis, he earned in Dubai.

Now, the Kochi police have booked him for sedition, sending offensive message (66A of Information Technology Act, 2000), and for insulting the national flag (section 2 of Prevention of Insults to National Honor Act, 1971).

In the FIR filed in September 2012, it is alleged that Ali clicked 'like' on a Facebook page titled 'I Love Pakistan' and that a picture showing a dog clothed in the national flag was seen in his Facebook profile page.

On Tuesday, Ali filed a petition at the Kerala high court, through advocate K K Ashkar, challenging the FIR registered by the Eloor police.

Ali has contended in the petition that his Facebook account doesn't bear the message 'I Love Pakistan', doesn't have any pictures showing disrespect to the national flag, nor has sent any offensive message or pictures showing disrespect to the national flag.

He further pointed out that registering of FIR in cyber cases without a pre-investigation inquiry by an investigative agency with expertise in information technology is against the rules stipulated in the cyber crime investigation manual, the only such manual in India that was released by the Union home secretary.

After police registered the FIR alleging sedition, he and his family have been facing social stigma, Ali's petition said. His family has been isolated by the local community and relatives and they are being treated like traitors. His wife and younger child have been traumatized by the ordeal, the petition stated.

Kochi city police commissioner arrived at a hypothetical inference that amounts to character assassination, the petitioner alleged.

The petitioner has cited the commissioner's remark, which is extracted in the FIR, stating "as petitioner was working in UAE and his remark in the Facebook 'I Love Pakistan' and his close relation with Pakistanis in UAE may indulge in antisocial activities". Such a casual statement prejudicially affects the liberty of the petitioner and has caused mental trauma, social ostracism, and persecution, it is alleged.

Now, a Facebook 'like' leads to sedition charges - Times Of India

This is more hilarious than that case where EVERYOTHER Indian bashed Pakistanis for catching a Pakistani for interacting with a Jew!

 

[KRAIT]

Free democratic India...
now now where are minority rights?

You didn't ask for majority rights when those 2 girls were arrested for Facebook status. You didn't brought their religion there.

Thing is, a person filed a complaint and Police acted but the person will get his fair trial just like even Kasab got it. But this time this person is innocent and if he is convicted, there will be protests.

Problem is that, when you see 1 Muslim in India getting arrested or killed, you all start shouting oppression of Muslims in India but always fail to acknowledge that India is a nation of 1.2 billion people, around 1/7 th of total World Population with most diverse culture, economic segment, religions and belief systems. It has over 150 million Muslims and growing including Sunnis, Shias etc.

India is not a perfect democracy and we have many issues from worst crimes to best selfless people. Just compare it with rest of 6/7th if World population and Minority rights they enjoy percentage wise.

Except Godhara which claimed lives of both Muslims AND Hindus, compare the Muslims killed in India with total Muslims killed in sectarian violence, hate crimes across the world. And in this rest of the world, you have so called, civilized, western, developed countries too.

just bring the figures and it will clear the doubts you have regarding minorities in India.

Again I repeat, Indian justice system, administration is marred with corruption, politics, wrongful arrests and many bad things but that doesn't mean you take a isolated case to bash entire India.

You didn't ask for Minorities rights in a Minority becoming President, Vice President, PM etc. Why do you ignore the good stuff, but always jump on any single Minority being wrongfully jailed.

As for Indian media which you all bashed all these days, it was same TOIlet that reported this news so that people can see what's wrong is done in our country. Now, why don't you praise TOI for this report coverage ?

 

[Dubious]

I suppose you would have wore that shirt one or two times with words "PAKISTAN ZINDABAD" on it and still alive and healthy to narrate your story. Now think, if a hindu in pakistan would have wore the shirt with words "HINDUSTAN ZINDABAD", imagine,what would have happened to him.

@tharkibuddha Am Imagining THE WORST would be some people laughing at him! Not pushing an FIR!

 

[Safriz]

You didn't ask for majority rights when those 2 girls were arrested for Facebook status. You didn't brought their religion there.

Thing is, a person filed a complaint and Police acted but the person will get his fair trial just like even Kasab got it. But this time this person is innocent and if he is convicted, there will be protests.

Problem is that, when you see 1 Muslim in India getting arrested or killed, you all start shouting oppression of Muslims in India but always fail to acknowledge that India is a nation of 1.2 billion people, around 1/7 th of total World Population with most diverse culture, economic segment, religions and belief systems. It has over 150 million Muslims and growing including Sunnis, Shias etc.

India is not a perfect democracy and we have many issues from worst crimes to best selfless people. Just compare it with rest of 6/7th if World population and Minority rights they enjoy percentage wise.

Except Godhara which claimed lives of both Muslims AND Hindus, compare the Muslims killed in India with total Muslims killed in sectarian violence, hate crimes across the world. And in this rest of the world, you have so called, civilized, western, developed countries too.

just bring the figures and it will clear the doubts you have regarding minorities in India.

Again I repeat, Indian justice system, administration is marred with corruption, politics, wrongful arrests and many bad things but that doesn't mean you take a isolated case to bash entire India.

You didn't ask for Minorities rights in a Minority becoming President, Vice President, PM etc. Why do you ignore the good stuff, but always jump on any single Minority being wrongfully jailed.

As for Indian media which you all bashed all these days, it was same TOIlet that reported this news so that people can see what's wrong is done in our country. Now, why don't you praise TOI for this report coverage ?

Sorry we don't claim to be the world's biggest democracy? You do...