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Pakistan is going through a long series of disasters and the recent airbus crash is both a tragedy and an enigma because A320 or A321 are one of the safest aircrafts to fly due to their Digital Fly by Wire control system. Even if the pilot is drunk, its difficult to go out of the allowed flight envelope of the aircraft.

To understand the commercial airliners, a good documentary series is "FLYING HEAVY METAL" and below is a link to one of its episodes where the host flies an Airbus A320 and is pretty impressed by its Digital Flight Control System,

YouTube - Flying Heavy Metal Episode Four: Safer Skies-Part 3 HQ

In this episode, the host flies the airbus towards mountains and then pulls up suddenly without increasing power. The aircraft increases power itself and gets the aircraft out of risk of stalling. If one tries to bank the aircraft more than 67 degrees (or allowed limit), the aircraft simply does not allow it. Other than that, there are ground proximity warning systems etc and its enigmatic to see that the aircraft hit the margalla hills.

May be there is more than meets the eye.


Please allow me to chip in with a few thoughts of mine.

As you pointed out, the Airbus family have pretty good and safe planes with lots of 'self-protection'. Saying a drunk pilot can pilot it is however a gross overstatement. I get it you do not mean it literally but only figuratively but even then, human errors have no bound and its hard to build a fool-proof machine.

We do not know what exactly happened and I am not trying to plane the pilot, but we must realize that human factors are the leading cause of air crashes around the world.

All those safety features later, the first thing is it was in the wrong plane at the wrong altitude. Nobody knows why and whose fault that was. Given that there were no mayday calls, one would assume that the pilot was in perfect control of his plane and might have thought he is on the right path, or at least the former. Or it could be that he was too busy trying to find out what he needs to do while having no visual references because of the low cloud cover. This is referred to as loosing situational awareness--a very bad news when you are near a mountain. Its possible he miscalculated his speed, punched in some wrong figures in the computer, or was focused on something else but the end result is he did end up being away from where he was supposed to be.

Now comes the safety part. All these new technology are God sent for the lost pilot -- or are they? The computer is your best fried since it works out almost everything for you and flies the plane for you. Even when you are flying, it constantly monitors you and advises/warns you if necessary. But get confused by one or do something wrong and you'll be wondering what is happening.

Add to that, more often than you would like to believe, a pilot will actually "disengage" that critical piece of technology that he need at this crucial time. In simpler words, there are pilots who actually disable things like ground proximity warnings, etc because they routinely fly close to mountains and all those alarms sounding are irritating.

An example comes to mind (sorry cannot recall flight no.) where the pilot is thought to have disabled the circuit breaker that warns if a checklist is incomplete while trying to take off. Bad weather and ATC Comm. lead the pilots to forget extending the flaps while taking off resulting in the plane loosing lift and crashing. The point being that, in theory we can say the plane has a safety mechanism that would prevent the pilot doing so and assume the plane is 'safe' but its no use if the pilot (and pilots around the world routinely) pull out the circuit breaker.

This flight reminds me of Air China Flight 129 and looks like an example of CFIT. Of course that is speculation at this state since we have no transcript of the CVR and/or ATC.
 
the other thing is that airblue does not have their own dedicated ground engg crews. this activity is out-sourced to the PIA which is already under-staffed as many experienced engineers have left for greener pastures (eg, dubai).
 
Blast heard in PIA plane at airport

KARACHI: A loud blast has been heard in an engine of PIA’s flight PK-747, a bowing commercial plane, when the airliner was preparing to take off at Jinnah International Airport.

Engine caught fire following blast as the fire and smoke is seen emitting from engine.

Explosion was reportedly happened when one of the engines suddenly started running in reverse, eyewitnesses said.

The flight was bound to Islamabad from Karachi meanwhile rescue vehicles and police mobile vans have arrived near plane to determine the loss of life or goods if happened.

PIA engineers said they will issue clearance after a thorough review of plane condition for operation of a flight.

I think you took it from geo.tv

Our stupid media

747 is type of aircraft and bowing (boeing) :rofl:
 
LOLLL @ ''bowing''


does geo news just pick up random people off the street to update their web news site??? For God's sakes.



by the way --it wasnt an explosion.


It was a birdstrike.
 
LOLLL @ ''bowing''


does geo news just pick up random people off the street to update their web news site??? For God's sakes.



by the way --it wasnt an explosion.


It was a birdstrike.

ya but the engine flamed out....so thats basically an explosion..
 
ya but the engine flamed out....so thats basically an explosion..

Engine flame out is the stoppage of the combustion process in the engine due to lack/absence of either one or more out of air, fuel or ignition. It can not be regarded as an EXPLOSION by any standards.
 
Isn't this thread about PAF? Why PIA or any other civil aviation is discussed here?
 
Just came across and find, Please enlighten with comments. Sorry dont know about the exact source?

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^ 2 things to be noticed.

1: Who were those commandos ?
2: why didn't they flew the aircraft themselves ?
 
^ 2 things to be noticed.

1: Who were those commandos ?
2: why didn't they flew the aircraft themselves ?

please move this discussion to:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...32-margalah-plane-hijacked-5.html#post1058269

we have notified the crash on this thread that was to discuss the crahs incedint. now what on earth caused this crash must not be discussed herer but at:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...32-margalah-plane-hijacked-5.html#post1058269

regards!
 
PAF F-16 attrition list:

#1. 18 December 1986: F-16/B Block-15U #81-1504, Crashed in Sargodha while taking off due to wild-boar on runway and both pilots ejected safely.

#2. 29 April 1987: F-16/A Block-15S #81-0918, Shot down in friendly fire while engaging enemy over Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

#3. 4 September 1989: F-16/A Block-15Q #81-0916, Crashed minutes after take-off from Sargodha as pilot was disoriented and subsequently died in the crash.

#4. 19 June 1991: F-16/A Block-15T #81-0921, Crashed near Kamra due to engine failure, subsequently forcing the pilot to eject.

#5. 28 October 1991: F-16/A Block-15U #81-0923, Crashed near Attock due to engine failure during a dog-fight training mission, pilot ejected safely.

#6. 10 November 1993: F-16/A Block-15N #81-0937, Crashed due to bird-hit, location of crash unknown, but pilots ejected safely.

#7. 17 March 1994: F-16/A Block-15S #81-0919, Crashed near Sargodha, spatial disorientation caused the crash, pilot was killed.

#8. 22 October 1994: F-16/A Block-15E #81-0899, Crashed near Sargodha, aircraft sustained bird-hit, pilot ejected safely.

#9. 17 July 2009: F-16/A Block-15AQ/OCU, Crashed South-West of Sargodha on a night training mission, pilot was killed upon crash.
 
PAF F-16 attrition list:

#1. 18 December 1986: F-16/B Block-15U #81-1504, Crashed in Sargodha while taking off due to wild-boar on runway and both pilots ejected safely.

#2. 29 April 1987: F-16/A Block-15S #81-0918, Shot down in friendly fire while engaging enemy over Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

#3. 4 September 1989: F-16/A Block-15Q #81-0916, Crashed minutes after take-off from Sargodha as pilot was disoriented and subsequently died in the crash.

#4. 19 June 1991: F-16/A Block-15T #81-0921, Crashed near Kamra due to engine failure, subsequently forcing the pilot to eject.

#5. 28 October 1991: F-16/A Block-15U #81-0923, Crashed near Attock due to engine failure during a dog-fight training mission, pilot ejected safely.

#6. 10 November 1993: F-16/A Block-15N #81-0937, Crashed due to bird-hit, location of crash unknown, but pilots ejected safely.

#7. 17 March 1994: F-16/A Block-15S #81-0919, Crashed near Sargodha, spatial disorientation caused the crash, pilot was killed.

#8. 22 October 1994: F-16/A Block-15E #81-0899, Crashed near Sargodha, aircraft sustained bird-hit, pilot ejected safely.

#9. 17 July 2009: F-16/A Block-15AQ/OCU, Crashed South-West of Sargodha on a night training mission, pilot was killed upon crash.

Fatman,

So how are these a/c's replenished for lack of a better term ? did PAF buy more a/c's to compensate for the loss ?
 
Fatman,

So how are these a/c's replenished for lack of a better term ? did PAF buy more a/c's to compensate for the loss ?

due to sanctions, there were no replacements.
 
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