NOTAMS/NAVAREA IX Navigation Warnings for Exercises/Missile Tests

[Rocky rock]

Considering how many of our members keep tabs on the NAVAREA warnings issued by Pakistan Navy and therefore we are able to guess and then discuss the imminent missile tests, i think it is appropriate to make this one thread to share all such updates.

Rather than opening multiple threads for each warning we can keep this updated and discuss all such activities here. I think it will be best if this can be made sticky so everyone keeping an eye on such activities can share the details with other members over here.

To briefly explain the NAVAREA warning system, the world is divided into 21 broadcast areas, called NAVAREAs which transmit maritime safety information such as navigational warnings and weather forecasts. The responsibility of coordination of NAVAREA IX, which includes part of the North Arabian Sea, the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea, was assigned to Pakistan in 1976.

Hydrographer of the Pakistan Navy (HPN), is the area Coordinator. All information relating to navigational safety is received in HPN office at Karachi from 16 National Coordinators of Area IX and from other sources. This information is analyzed, processed and promulgated in the form of navigational warnings to mariners at sea. Hydrographic Department of PN also issues Weekly and Annual summary of Pakistan Notices to mariners in print form for the benefit of the mariners.

Here is on such warning issues yesterday on April 05, 2017:
SECURITY

031500 UTC APR 2017

NAVAREA IX (.) 090/17 (.)PAKISTAN (.) CHARTS PAK 33, 57 (INT 751),
58 (INT 7019), BA 38, 707 AND 4705 (.)

2. NAVAL SHIPS WILL CARRY OUT MISSILE AND GUNNERY FIRING WITH LIVE
AMMUNITION ON 06 AND 07 APR 2017 FROM 0500 TO 0930 UTC IN AREA BOUNDED
BY FOLLOWING COORDINATES:

(A) 24-00N 063-30E
(B) 24-00N 065-30E
(C) 25-30N 063-30E
(D) 25-30N 065-30E

SAFETY HEIGHT: 22500 FEET

3. SHIPS AND CRAFT ARE TO KEEP WELL CLEAR AND NOT TO ENTER ASSIGNED
DANGER AREA ON ABOVE SPECIFIED DATES AND TIME (.)

4. CANCEL THIS MESSAGE ON 071030 UTC APR 2017.

On map it looks like this:
View attachment 389084

it must be with italian ship during exercise with Pakistan Navy.

 

[fatman17]

it must be with italian ship during exercise with Pakistan Navy.

The Italian FFG is just visiting for a capuchino and cake.

 

[Arsalan]

it must be with italian ship during exercise with Pakistan Navy.

No, it is a goodwill visit, no exercises were planned.

It has mentioned 2 ships will carry out missile and gunnery test. so I'm just speculating here. One ship will fire a training round missile and the 2nd ship will fire it's CWIS guns to shoot down the missile.

barii doooorrr kr kori lain ha ap sir!!

Makes sense.

I did read your post. I corrected you as even speculating wasn't justified there. Nothing wrong in adding some explanation there is it?

The ship firing CIWS do not need to be the target ship. It is not necessary. One ship can fire a missile on a target while the other close by ship can try and engage the missile with its CIWS. That is what i get from his post.

However the warning height indicates that there may be some anti-air missile tests as well. The C602, which is most probably going to be one of the missiles tests do not need a safety warning of around 22000 ft.

NOTE: I think the warning time is over now, no tests reported. Perhaps it was more of routine naval gun firing exercise and shooting of some anti-aircraft action and therefore have not been reported as such. Live fire shooting of target drones etc can be a possibility and that would not have been considered a breaking news exactly.

 

[The SC]

We might get a glimpse of what was tested in the next parade!

 

[Arsalan]

We might get a glimpse of what was tested in the next parade!

I think it was not some high profile system that is why it never made it to the news. Perhaps it was some routine live firing exercise involving shooting of aerial targets (will also address the height mentioned in the navarea warning)

 

[Penguin]

It has mentioned 2 ships will carry out missile and gunnery test. so I'm just speculating here. One ship will fire a training round missile and the 2nd ship will fire it's CWIS guns to shoot down the missile.

For an antiship missile, you'ld use a decommissioned ship or a barge as target. Both vessel could/would fire antiship missiles at that, and so could land based coastal missile battery. For training the ships' CIWS, you'ld use a towed aerial target or a remote control target drone that you could blast the heck out of.
e.g. Nishan TJ-1000, Nishan MK-II,
http://www.idaerospace.com/ViewCategory.asp?cat=5-0-0
e.g. Ababeel I & III, Shahbaz, Shazore
http://sts-rd.com.pk/

22500 feet is 6858 meters

F22Ps HQ7/FM90N has an max. effective intercept altitude of 6km
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-HQ-7-Crotale.html

Its H/PJ12 CIWS guns may be assumed to have a performance similar to the Dutch Goalkeeper
Maximum Effective Range: about 2,200 yards (2,000 m)
Min/Max Range 160 to 3,300 yards (150 to 3,000 m)
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNNeth_30mm_Goalkeeper.php

Its main gun is comparable to Russia / USSR 76mm/60 AK-176
Effective firing range 10 km
Max. Ballistic Range 17,169 yards (15,700 m)
Max. Ceiling 12,030 yards (11,000 m)
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussian_3-60_ak176.php

 

[Penguin]

ITS Carabiniere (F593) is a Bergamini-class frigate of the Italian Navy. It employs 16-cells SYLVER A50 VLS for 16 Aster 15 and 30 missiles (max flight altitude Aster 15: 13 km, Aster 30: 20 km). It has 2 × OTO Melara 76/62 mm Davide/Strales CIWS guns (ASuW variant). Max. Range @ 45 degrees 18.4km (HE), effective Range 8km (HE), 5km (DART), AA Range @ 85 degrees 4km. Plus 2 × Oto Melara/Oerlikon KBA 25/80 mm remote weapon systems, effective range 2km.
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_3-62_mk75.php
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNIT_25mm-80_KBA.php

Imho, ceiling of almost 7km means gun firing limied to smaller calibres. Missiles firing limited to FM90N.
I doubt antiship missiles launched will reach anything close to this ceiling (more likely under 500m)

 

[Gryphon]

SECURITE

281500 UTC APR 2017

NAVAREA IX (.) 125/17 (.) PAKISTAN (.) APPROACHES TO KARACHI (.)
CHARTS PAK 33, PAK 57 (INT 751), PAK 58 (INT 7019), BA 38 AND 707 (.)

2. SHIPS WILL CARRY OUT SURFACE AND ANTI AIRCRAFT LIVE FIRING
BETWEEN 0400 TO 1700 UTC FROM 02-05, 08-12, 15-19, 22-26 AND 29-31
MAY 2017 IN FOLLOWING AREAS:

AREA BRAVO

24-19.00N 066-58.00E
24-00.00N 066-39.00E
24-11.00N 066-27.00E
24-24.30N 066-42.00E

SAFETY HEIGHT: 40,000 FEET

3. DEPTH CHARGE FIRING:

AREA BRAVO – 1

24-16.18N 066-20.50E
24-22.00N 066-27.00E
24-16.30N 066-33.00E
24-10.30N 066-27.00E

SAFETY HEIGHT: 4,000 FEET

4. SHIPS AND CRAFT ARE TO KEEP WELL CLEAR OF ASSIGNED DANGER AREA
ON ABOVE SPECIFIED SCHEDULE (.)

5. CANCEL THIS MESSAGE ON 311800 UTC MAY 2017.

https://www.paknavy.gov.pk/securite/20170428SEC 125.txt

 

[Hassan Guy]

Interesting.

 

[CriticalThought]

Wasn't there supposed to be a dedicated thread for these notices?

 

[Safriz]

The problem with our Navy / Shipyard is they don't utilize the "Ground Level Workforce" who work with raw man power considering we have such a vast supply of workers

We order one Tiny Boat , and then , every one sits on it like a Hen

View attachment 394368

This is how our Navy is satisfied , with one Tiny Azmat class project every one's job is secured for 2-3 years
No need to worry abouot anything big ambitious

Thats due to costs involved and what aims both navys have which are totally different.
Pakistan navy only has defensive strategy and does not intend to be a blue water navy

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

There is generally no respect for a nation in modern world unless they have a NAVY at least capable of protecting its own sea zones (i.e having a Sea going Navy)

While the idea of shooting missiles from Land to sea is interesting but end of day the first line of defence always is your Navy which may be called upon to escort your important trade assets at time of war

We have enough money in Pakistan just see how many folks have properties in Dubail all Pakistani Black money

 

[Cool_Soldier]

No, C 602 is close to Zarb missile.
I doubt, it is copy of C602, as C 602 is mature platform while Zarb is being tested many times to check and evaluate its validations.

It is something new equivalent to C 602 Missile.

 

[Arsalan]

Wasn't there supposed to be a dedicated thread for these notices?

It is!

I request all members to please take these other discussion to the relevant threads. We need to keep this thread so that it can be updated when there is a new NAVAREA warning issued.
@Hassan Guy @AZADPAKISTAN2009

@The Eagle @Slav Defence @WAJsal can you please help clean this up?

 

[Arsalan]

SECURITE

281500 UTC APR 2017

NAVAREA IX (.) 125/17 (.) PAKISTAN (.) APPROACHES TO KARACHI (.)
CHARTS PAK 33, PAK 57 (INT 751), PAK 58 (INT 7019), BA 38 AND 707 (.)

2. SHIPS WILL CARRY OUT SURFACE AND ANTI AIRCRAFT LIVE FIRING
BETWEEN 0400 TO 1700 UTC FROM 02-05, 08-12, 15-19, 22-26 AND 29-31
MAY 2017 IN FOLLOWING AREAS:

AREA BRAVO

24-19.00N 066-58.00E
24-00.00N 066-39.00E
24-11.00N 066-27.00E
24-24.30N 066-42.00E

SAFETY HEIGHT: 40,000 FEET

3. DEPTH CHARGE FIRING:

AREA BRAVO – 1

24-16.18N 066-20.50E
24-22.00N 066-27.00E
24-16.30N 066-33.00E
24-10.30N 066-27.00E

SAFETY HEIGHT: 4,000 FEET

4. SHIPS AND CRAFT ARE TO KEEP WELL CLEAR OF ASSIGNED DANGER AREA
ON ABOVE SPECIFIED SCHEDULE (.)

5. CANCEL THIS MESSAGE ON 311800 UTC MAY 2017.

https://www.paknavy.gov.pk/securite/20170428SEC 125.txt

Thank you for sharing this.

If you look at the area covered by these coordinates, it looks like this will be a routine firing exercise involving the guns on-board.

Depth charge firing exercise is interesting as well.