North Korea torpedoed South's navy ship

[gambit]

N.Korea does not have much to lose in war compared to the South.

Wrong...NKR have very much to lose.

If NKR decided to engage in a mano-a-mano fight with SKR, each side's sponsor would no doubt involve themselves, if not directly. But the problem for the China-NRK alliance is that they are severely technologically below the US-SKR par. Even as an Air Force guy, I have no problems saying that the ultimate goal of any service is to support the ground troopers -- the army. The NKRean Air Force will become nonexistent soon in the war, leaving the NKRean Army defenseless, and if the NKRean Army cross south of the 38th, it too will cease to exist, albeit its existence will last longer than its army brother. If China get actively involved, so will the US and this is not what China want.

So to keep NKR alive, China will have to get involved but only north of the 38th as a guard against a possible invasion by SKR. Once the NKR Army is defeated and driven back up north, China will become what the US was in Iraq -- an occupational power -- taking resources away from other plans such as the DF-21, the aircraft carrier, the mythical 'stealth' fighter, the GPS-like satellites, and so on...to support NKR. All the while the US pushes on ahead with our military improvements, leaving China behind. China will have to help NKR oppress the North Koreans even more than they are today to keep them from fleeing southward towards. Without a people, a country cannot exist for long.

Now here is my proposal...Pakistan should make peace with India by conceding Kashmir. Once a peace treaty is secured, Pakistan can divert a considerable amount of military resources to help the China-NKR alliance to defeat and conquer SKR. May be act as 38th parallel border guard?

Is that hilarious or what...???

North Korea has become a proverbial millstone around China's neck.

 

[applesauce]

Wrong...NKR have very much to lose.

If NKR decided to engage in a mano-a-mano fight with SKR, each side's sponsor would no doubt involve themselves, if not directly. But the problem for the China-NRK alliance is that they are severely technologically below the US-SKR par. Even as an Air Force guy, I have no problems saying that the ultimate goal of any service is to support the ground troopers -- the army. The NKRean Air Force will become nonexistent soon in the war, leaving the NKRean Army defenseless, and if the NKRean Army cross south of the 38th, it too will cease to exist, albeit its existence will last longer than its army brother. If China get actively involved, so will the US and this is not what China want.

So to keep NKR alive, China will have to get involved but only north of the 38th as a guard against a possible invasion by SKR. Once the NKR Army is defeated and driven back up north, China will become what the US was in Iraq -- an occupational power -- taking resources away from other plans such as the DF-21, the aircraft carrier, the mythical 'stealth' fighter, the GPS-like satellites, and so on...to support NKR. All the while the US pushes on ahead with our military improvements, leaving China behind. China will have to help NKR oppress the North Koreans even more than they are today to keep them from fleeing southward towards. Without a people, a country cannot exist for long.

Now here is my proposal...Pakistan should make peace with India by conceding Kashmir. Once a peace treaty is secured, Pakistan can divert a considerable amount of military resources to help the China-NKR alliance to defeat and conquer SKR. May be act as 38th parallel border guard?

Is that hilarious or what...???

North Korea has become a proverbial millstone around China's neck.

nah, all china has to do is to secure her own boarders, the integration with north korea alone will ensure there will be no threat from a united korea in decades to come as they will have no money to spare(among other reasons) , china does not care all that much for north korea, it is the millions of refugees that they worry about(maybe the nuclear materials too) but of course if the us gets involved then china must too other wise it will be korea vs korea this time after all china is no longer a pariah and the us can no longer ingore china as well. and for the record i do believe the south will wiin in the end but only after large casualties.

 

[Avatar]

Wrong...NKR have very much to lose.

What I meant by saying that North has nothing to lose was that NKR is nothing.

They don't have any considerable infrastructure, industry, economy, services, etc.

They dont even have electricity in most of NKR.

The only non military asset I think they have is the big stadium where "The great leader" watches his annual private gymnastics ...200,000 koreans performing for his viewing pleasure.

Brainwashed humans is all they have ...SKR does not want to hurt them. If there is ever a war, the crazy NKR will simply go all out Kamikaze on SKR ..They have already dreamt of doing that a million times. At the orders of the great leader, "The invincible army of NKR will unleash tyranny on SKR and her evil imperialist allies!"

btw they can actually use the interactive 12 color slave-board-projector-display as a big interactive map for war planning.

 

[Jigs]

I always thought to have the south ahead of the north in military till i noticed how many damn artillery systems the north has pointed at the south. Sad that South Korea is under American control but i guess they need it tbh.

 

[applesauce]

"btw they can actually use the interactive 12 color slave-board-projector-display as a big interactive map for war planning. "

i lol'd

 

[Vassnti]

I always thought to have the south ahead of the north in military till i noticed how many damn artillery systems the north has pointed at the south. Sad that South Korea is under American control but i guess they need it tbh.

That doesnt mean they are ahead militarily, that simply show the mentality of the litle twit running the north. No fuel no food but the have build an artillery system aimed at civilain population centers. The start anything we will murder you civilians proposal.

"I heard the ship was sunk in a premeditated operation approved by Kim Jong-Il," Choi said.

The officer said Kim gave an order to exact revenge for a sea skirmish last November, Choi added.

Choi said 13 commandos using a small submarine appeared to have launched a torpedo attack.

The South's defence minister has raised the possibility that a mine or torpedo may have sank the ship on March 26 near the disputed sea border, the scene of deadly naval clashes in 1999 and 2002 and the November firefight.

The November incident left a North Korean patrol boat in flames and local media reports said one North Korean sailor was killed and three wounded.

The North has vowed to take "merciless" military action to protect its own version of the Yellow Sea border.

N.Koreans believe S.Korean ship sunk by torpedo - Asia - World - Dalje.com

 

[no_name]

Funny how normally the North are loud but after actual sinking of SK ship they stayed quiet

 

[below_freezing]

it's funny how the US is also staying silent and is holding its korean attack dog back from doing something stupid.

 

[below_freezing]

You wish...

If NKR called upon the PRC and China respond, it will be a slaughter for BOTH the PLAAF and its NKR bi7ch when the US enter the fight. China will not risk losing, physically and image wise, in Asia by going against the US. Chinese 'face' is more important a few NKRean troops. That leave the potential of a fight between the two Koreas and from my experience with the ROK Marines and the South Korean Air Force in Osan and Kunsan. The NKRean Air Force is already screwed.

how was it the last time? mr. macarthur said if the chinese attacked he'd slaughter us, guess what happened? his general walker lost his life, the US was pushed back 400 km and he got fired. we also took out enough south korean civilians so that their economy didn't take off despite massive US aid until 20 years later.

this was at a time when we were using civil war era weapons against the US at its relative strongest.

we also downed 700 of the US's newest planes in vietnam with technology 30 years behind the times. now we're only 15 years behind, what do you think will happen to the USAF? there's a reason the US is keeping silent and keeping south korea down.

 

[Jigs]

That doesnt mean they are ahead militarily, that simply show the mentality of the litle twit running the north. No fuel no food but the have build an artillery system aimed at civilain population centers. The start anything we will murder you civilians proposal.





N.Koreans believe S.Korean ship sunk by torpedo - Asia - World - Dalje.com

Another issue is that the South Koreans still don't have the training and experience they need to operate without U.S. assistance. Tech wise they are ahead of the north but the north has a huge number of older systems that are all operational and in areas that are able to do a large amount of damage in a short amount of time.

 

[gambit]

how was it the last time? mr. macarthur said if the chinese attacked he'd slaughter us, guess what happened? his general walker lost his life, the US was pushed back 400 km and he got fired. we also took out enough south korean civilians so that their economy didn't take off despite massive US aid until 20 years later.

The fact that the Korean peninsula was partitioned meant the PRC was unable to defeat the US/NATO forces, no matter which US general was killed.

we also downed 700 of the US's newest planes in vietnam with technology 30 years behind the times. now we're only 15 years behind, what do you think will happen to the USAF? there's a reason the US is keeping silent and keeping south korea down.

The number of US aircraft downed in the Vietnam War is no way indicative of Chinese military capability. It simply meant the USAF was willing to fight. But if you are interested in a bit of how the USAF frightened the North Vietnamese Air Force, I suggest you read up on Operation Bolo.

 

[below_freezing]

The fact that the Korean peninsula was partitioned meant the PRC was unable to defeat the US/NATO forces, no matter which US general was killed.


The number of US aircraft downed in the Vietnam War is no way indicative of Chinese military capability. It simply meant the USAF was willing to fight. But if you are interested in a bit of how the USAF frightened the North Vietnamese Air Force, I suggest you read up on Operation Bolo.

our goal was to preserve the government of kim il sung, not assist him in his conquest of south korea. he attacked without mao's approval. only after he almost lost the war did china intervene. our war started at the yalu and ended at the 38th parallel. it was the US that lost ground, not china.

NVAF planes were piloted by undertrained vietnamese pilots, ground assets were provided and operated by china. if the pilots were chinese the USAF would've not even had a chance to go on operation rolling thunder.

 

[gambit]

NVAF planes were piloted by undertrained vietnamese pilots, ground assets were provided and operated by china. if the pilots were chinese the USAF would've not even had a chance to go on operation rolling thunder.

China convinced NVN of:

1- Chinese 'volunteer' pilots.
2- Chinese fighters would operate in NVN territory.
3- Chinese fighters would take off from inside China.

The Chinese reneged on all three promises. The best that Le Duan got from his visit to Moscow (1965) was more weapons, not men, from both the Soviets and China. Le Duan's visit was about petitioning both communist superpowers to militarily support NVN the way the US militarily support SVN. There were already Chinese troops manning artillery and air defense units. At the battle of Dien Bien Phu, Chinese advisors practically gave orders to Giap on how to conduct the battle. The result was that despite grossly outnumbering the French garrison, the seige lasted months with casualties heavily on the Viet Minh. As history shown...China is no stranger to combat in Viet Nam. But no Chinese fighters against the USAF...??? Give me a break.

 

[T-Rex]

If a war breaks out at this moment the Americans and their puppets will surely **** in their pants! After the North topedoed the South Korean frigate the Americans have simply digested the blow because they know what will happen if they do not. North Korea knows that the US is a sitting duck as long as it is bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Thomas]

If a war breaks out at this moment the Americans and their puppets will surely **** in their pants! After the North topedoed the South Korean frigate the Americans have simply digested the blow because they know what will happen if they do not. North Korea knows that the US is a sitting duck as long as it is bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan.

lol, stop trolling.........