North Korea sanctions punish the whole population

[Desertfalcon]

Communism is not equal to slavery, pleas look at the light at China side in your picture.

Of course it is and that light on the Chinese side, is because China stopped being truly "communist" with the reforms of Deng Xiaoping. Before Deng, China was as dark as North Korea. In many ways since then, economically, China is more capitalist than many Western capitalist countries. That is why their is "light" on the Chinese side.

China today. Esprit, McDonalds, etc. Pretty much says it all!

 

[帅的一匹]

We want status quo, it suits our benefits.

Of course it is and that light on the Chinese side, is because China stopped being truly "communist" with the reforms of Deng Xiaoping. Before Deng, China was as dark as North Korea. In many ways since then, economically, China is more capitalist than many Western capitalist countries. That is why their is "light" on the Chinese side.

China today. Esprit, McDonalds, etc. Pretty much says it all!

China now is a hybrid of Socialism with capitalism.we will turn to s democracy in the future.a democracy with socialist gene.

 

[Desertfalcon]

China now is a hybrid of Socialism with capitalism.we will turn to s democracy in the future.a democracy with socialist gene.

It is my ardent hope that you will!

 

[帅的一匹]

Our political reform will suit China's max interests rather than cozy up to western likeness. We Chinese are unique people on this planet. We can combined socialism and capitalism,

It is my ardent hope that you will!

Socialism is the ultimate goal of entire human beings. And Capitalism is a tool and process to achieve it. Just call it wang theory.

Capitalism with socialist gene is the only way to boost China.

We Chinese call it a typical way of running capitalism under socialism clout.

 

[Desertfalcon]

We Chinese are unique people on this planet. We can combined socialism and capitalism,

Ha! You have obviously never been to Western Europe, my friend! Capitalism with some socialism blended in, is not only not unique to China, it's pretty much how the EU countries work as well as Canada, New Zealand, Singapore, Taiwan, etc.

 

[帅的一匹]

Capitalism is used to accumulate wealth of the society. Capitalist usually refuses to distribute their wealth to the poor as they buy out those senates and congress men. China shall not hit on those rich men too hardly while motivate them to help poor people. Should very carefully keep a balance between socialism and capitalism. Gus's who will feed 1.3 billions Chinese when we are in chaos and political instability? No one! Too keep China in stability is simply helping the world itself.

The conflict between China and USA is more like who is the boss, not some Capitalism VS Socialism. Chinese have a very clear mind as where they shall go in the future. We don't wanna challenge USA's domain, we shall let them know we are no pushover . One is capitalism with socialist gene and other one is capitalism to protect rich men.

Ha! You have obviously never been to Western Europe, my friend! Capitalism with some socialism blended in, is not only not unique to China, it's pretty much how the EU countries work as well as Canada, New Zealand, Singapore, Taiwan, etc.

I know, typical country like Swiss.

Capitalism is the only way to keep economy going prosperous. Because mankind is aviricious. No one will like to work hard if he can eat and spend the same amount as those work hard. That's why I say keep cautious between Soclism and Capitalism. We shall protect the benefits of middle class and protect the well being in the lower rungs.

Sometimes Soclism makes people langurous, cause they join social welfare without working hard. Typical as Arabs gulf. Average distribution of wealth is never gonna be achieved, what we shall assure is that lower rungs shall be cared.

That's why USA never described China as evil pivot when we started open up policy after 1980s.

 

[TaiShang]

To be honest Kim 3 is not popular among normal Chinese netizens at present, the most recent survey done two weeks ago by Chinese state media (huanqiu) showed 60 percent disliked him. There maybe 2 reasons leading to this, one is developing nuclear bomb, the other is how he and NK have been portrayed by the medias ( mainly from the West, and the Chinese ones were just echoing).

But if we look back not long ago NK was described as the axis of evil, along with Libya, Iraq, Syria and Iran, to whom the US president Bush was determined to bring regime change, than Kim' action might not be looking too crazy. From his stance, after all NK didn't become another Libya,Iraq or Syria that we know now what they are becoming today.

In terms of sanction, China should try her best not letting the whole population suffered as a consequence, because normal folks in NK today are very much like our Chinese 40 years ago. Besides, our East philosophy is avoiding going to extremes, and always trying to leave some leeway to others.

Very well said. We might consider it a success, indeed, that Bush's rogue nation plan failed in North Korea and thus the country were spared from the hell Iraq, Syria and Libya have been brought to by the first hand intervention and manipulation of the US and its allies.

Not that Korea's domestic situation is enviable, but the country is fiercely sovereign, which is the highest political virtue of all times. Left alone, North Korea will find a course for itself, if not in this decade, next decade. Just leave them alone and do not threaten them with regime change.

No regime desires to be replaced especially by outside actors. Imagine some foreign agents wanted to introduce a "better" regime (let's say, less police violence) to the United States? Would not they instinctively react and utter "this is our country, good or bad, it is our business to handle it."

Same goes with every country.

Just because the US regime demonizes some other nation does not mean that natios is essentially a demon.

China's historical role in Iran has led to the total defeat of Western strategy towards Tehran, my friend, in fact the direct trade between Tehran and Beijing through these years helped to keep Tehran "afloat", and thereby cushioned the blow of Western-led sanctioning.

After the victory --- notice how China released Heaven's blessings on Iran. Literally and Figuratively. Divine showering, if i say so myself, LOL!

Very much like a repetition of Iraq, to a grander scale, and Iran is no where near to Iraq in terms of instability and daily terror. In the Iranian case, while Russia and China stood their grounds at the UNSC and twisting US hand, Japan and Korea also maintained more or less their bilateral trade, except some conjectural drops. I guess now Japan can forcefully push for the Azadegan project, and seek new agreements.

What is good for Japan's economy is good for China and the greater region. And vice versa.

Our political reform will suit China's max interests rather than cozy up to western likeness. We Chinese are unique people on this planet. We can combined socialism and capitalism,

Socialism is the ultimate goal of entire human beings. And Capitalism is a tool and process to achieve it. Just call it wang theory.

Capitalism with socialist gene is the only way to boost China.

We Chinese call it a typical way of running capitalism under socialism clout.

And US regime is increasingly likened to a sort of neo-fascist corporatist model.

 

[gambit]

...the people of North Korea has a right to daily living necessities and not to starve.

Sure they do. But they do not have the right to other people's stuff. Simple as that. It is not our burden to feed the NKReans. But if China want to keep NKR a geopolitical buffer state, then the burden is upon the NKRean and Chinese governments.

 

[sicsheep]

Sure they do. But they do not have the right to other people's stuff. Simple as that. It is not our burden to feed the NKReans. But if China want to keep NKR a geopolitical buffer state, then the burden is upon the NKRean and Chinese governments.

although i don't fully agree, but that seems to be what's happening, Kim is spending billions on developing nukes and maintaining one of the largest army in the world, while China has to provide their people with food and other living necessities, I would go as far to say we care about North Koreans than North Korean government itself.

 

[gambit]

Left alone, North Korea will find a course for itself, if not in this decade, next decade. Just leave them alone and do not threaten them with regime change.

China cannot afford to leave NKR alone. If NKR is truly left alone, and we have no problem with that idea, NKR will collapse. YOU know it. We know it. Our respective governments know it.

In fact, we have been leaving NKR alone. So what if we opine on what NKR is ? What is preventing your China from opining on what a paradise NKR is ? Nothing at all. But why does China not extolling the virtues of NKR ? Because your China know what a hellhole NKR is compared to SKR and just about everywhere else in Asia. Your China can spin but even NKR is beyond help.

So do not talk as if we have been harassing NKR. We do not want a nuclear NKR and neither does your China. The NKR problem is YOURS.

Capitalism is the only way to keep economy going prosperous.

It took you decades and millions of lives to find that out despite evidences that have been in front of you all this time ?

China will not allow a pro USA regime unites the peninsula,...

The only way for China to preserve NKR is for China to invade and take over the country. Your government is not stupid. By now, they have sufficient data on the social sciences side to see the inevitable collapse of NKR if the country continues on the current course. Your China saw the same signs for herself and changed. So what make you think China is blind to the same evidences for NKR ?

The US do not need to have any regime change program for NKR just as we did not need any regime change for your China. You changed, we did not, and you changed on your own. You are not like US but neither are you the Marxist fools your ancestors once were.

So do you dare to leave NKR alone ? No. For all your tough talk on this forum, your government know that we do not need to have any regime change in order for NKR to fall. Are YOU willing to go to NKR to help out your 'brothers and sisters' who are being threatened with 'regime change' from US ? No, you will not because at the core, YOU do not give even a whit of care for the NKRean people's poverty and misery.

 

[Tiqiu]

Of course it is and that light on the Chinese side, is because China stopped being truly "communist" with the reforms of Deng Xiaoping. Before Deng, China was as dark as North Korea. In many ways since then, economically, China is more capitalist than many Western capitalist countries. That is why their is "light" on the Chinese side.

China today. Esprit, McDonalds, etc. Pretty much says it all!

Let's be honest, American pop culture did bring social change in China in the 80s, opening up the minds of billions to the good side of the capitalism.

In 1988, I was invested by two Sweden tourists to the first KFC in China, Beijing Qianmen KFC. The queue was long and you needed to have RMB Duihuanjuan(used by the foreigners in China). At that time I thought it was the best meal I'd ever had.

The first KFC in China, Beijing Qianmen KFC, opened in 1987,11,12

You need RMB Duihuanjuan to pay.

RMB Duihuanjuan used by the foreigners, before 1989, it was worth near double the normal RMB in the black market

 

[帅的一匹]

China cannot afford to leave NKR alone. If NKR is truly left alone, and we have no problem with that idea, NKR will collapse. YOU know it. We know it. Our respective governments know it.

In fact, we have been leaving NKR alone. So what if we opine on what NKR is ? What is preventing your China from opining on what a paradise NKR is ? Nothing at all. But why does China not extolling the virtues of NKR ? Because your China know what a hellhole NKR is compared to SKR and just about everywhere else in Asia. Your China can spin but even NKR is beyond help.

So do not talk as if we have been harassing NKR. We do not want a nuclear NKR and neither does your China. The NKR problem is YOURS.


It took you decades and millions of lives to find that out despite evidences that have been in front of you all this time ?


The only way for China to preserve NKR is for China to invade and take over the country. Your government is not stupid. By now, they have sufficient data on the social sciences side to see the inevitable collapse of NKR if the country continues on the current course. Your China saw the same signs for herself and changed. So what make you think China is blind to the same evidences for NKR ?

The US do not need to have any regime change program for NKR just as we did not need any regime change for your China. You changed, we did not, and you changed on your own. You are not like US but neither are you the Marxist fools your ancestors once were.

So do you dare to leave NKR alone ? No. For all your tough talk on this forum, your government know that we do not need to have any regime change in order for NKR to fall. Are YOU willing to go to NKR to help out your 'brothers and sisters' who are being threatened with 'regime change' from US ? No, you will not because at the core, YOU do not give even a whit of care for the NKRean people's poverty and misery.

If USA can leave the Korean peninsular, they could live in peace. You should let the Korean decide which way to go, not you. Before USA came in this area, Koreans are living happily for thousand years with China, Except for few invasion from Japan. Why DPRK tried to build nuclear weapons? Not because the huge threat from USA? Look at the miserable ending of Syria/Iraq, how you treat them when they can't or discard nuke development?

If you are still a Christian, just ask God whether you are wrong or not. Don't only blame on China if you are still a man!

although i don't fully agree, but that seems to be what's happening, Kim is spending billions on developing nukes and maintaining one of the largest army in the world, while China has to provide their people with food and other living necessities, I would go as far to say we care about North Koreans than North Korean government itself.

China need a pro China Korean leader, not some brutal atrocity. They shall develop economy like we did, not to build nuke on its own. Who dares to attack them if China don't say yes?! Kim will get what he sowed. He is simply stupid and push too hard.

Every political system has its limit. Especially when a talk show host can spit BS and run for presidency.

You can't put your one hands on the bible and hold a knife on the other hand.

USA's principle now is my way or the high way, maybe they shall rewrite the bible according to their acts.

 

[gambit]

If USA can leave the Korean peninsular, they could live in peace.

North and South Koreas are living in peace now. If not for US, there would be war.

You should let the Korean decide which way to go, not you.

Yeah...Half of them refused to go with China. Kinda like Taiwan and many other Asian countries during the Cold War.

Before USA came in this area, Koreans are living happily for thousand years with China, Except for few invasion from Japan.

Actually...No.

China–Korea War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you are still a Christian, just ask God whether you are wrong or not. Don't only blame on China if you are still a man!

I did asked God, and He told me I was in the right. But since you are Chinese and do not believe in God, you are SOL.

 

[帅的一匹]

@gambit who tell you I don't believe in God?

God tell you are right, so you kinda of prophet?

 

[j20blackdragon]

Of course it is and that light on the Chinese side, is because China stopped being truly "communist" with the reforms of Deng Xiaoping. Before Deng, China was as dark as North Korea. In many ways since then, economically, China is more capitalist than many Western capitalist countries. That is why their is "light" on the Chinese side.

China today. Esprit, McDonalds, etc. Pretty much says it all!

You know you've hit the big time when you can eat high quality food like an American McDonalds hamburger.

Look at this quality. Only in America have humans ever eaten this good in the history of planet Earth. Those poor fools in North Korea (and the rest of the third world) should adopt capitalism today.