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Hi,
I have always found that the story of Korea is so mystery. So I open this topic to discuss more about this.

First post,

Hostile relations between North Korea and South Korea today is mainly a result of the Cold War. But long before that, Koreans hate Americans, because the U.S. is the main factors that hinder the independence, sovereignty and national unity.

Read more at:
FNOTW: North Korea and South Korea: The painful history (part 1)
 
Hostile relations between North Korea and South Korea today is mainly a result of the Cold War. But long before that, Koreans hate Americans, because the U.S. is the main factors that hinder the independence, sovereignty and national unity.

This is totally bogus. The current hostile relations between N & S Korea are because the two parts of Korea believe in two incompatible political and economic systems. The North believes in authoritarian communism and the South believes in democratic capitalism. Neither side wishes to adopt the system of the other, nor do they want to be dominated by the other.

There is no evidence that "long before that, Koreans hate Americans". In fact Americans freed Korea from Japanese colonialism. The division of the Korea was caused by the "Cold War" but the Soviets were responsible for that division, not the Americans.

Even now, more than 60 years after the cessation of open hostilities in Korea, the South Koreans do not want to take over responsibility from the US for their own military security. They still require US military leadership. How is that "Koreans hate America"? The US military wants to leave Korea or, at least, transfer military control of joint forces over to South Korea, but South Korea is afraid to be 100% responsible for its own defense.

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South Korea wants US to keep control over combined wartime defence forces

Guardian Weekly, Tuesday 8 October 2013 09.00 EDT

Sixty years after the end of the Korean war, the United States and South Korea still can't agree on who should take charge if another war breaks out with the communist neighbour to the north.

For years, Washington has been trying to persuade the South Korean military to take operational control of its own forces in wartime, ending a six-decade arrangement during which US commanders have retained that authority over South Korean troops. Although supportive in principle, a succession of governments in Seoul has repeatedly delayed the command transfer, reinforcing doubts about whether the South Korean military is capable of operating without US leadership.

Previous deals that would have transferred wartime command of South Korean troops to Seoul in 2009 and 2012 fell by the wayside. Now the latest timetable – to transfer control to the South Korean military by December 2015 – has become infected with doubt as South Korean leaders have expressed anxieties again about their ability to command their troops in the face of threats from an increasingly unpredictable North Korea.

South Korean officials began a public campaign this summer to request another delay beyond 2015 but haven't specified a new date. US officials have not agreed to any changes so far. Some have said they are becoming frustrated with South Korea's reluctance to take charge of its own defence.

Last week, defence secretary Chuck Hagel travelled to Seoul for three days of talks. But he told reporters accompanying him that he doubted that the thorny issue could be resolved during the visit.

"We're constantly re-evaluating each of our roles," Hagel said. "That does not at all subtract from, or in any way weaken, our commitment."

In a reminder of how a sudden outbreak of war remains a constant threat, Hagel toured the demilitarised zone, the 4km-wide buffer that divides North and South Korea and is the most heavily guarded border in the world.

There are 28,500 US troops permanently stationed in South Korea. That's a fraction of the size of the South Korean military, which has 640,000 personnel. The South Korean government, however, considers the US military presence a crucial deterrent, and some South Korean officials worry that a lessening of the US role could embolden North Korea.

North Korea's recent hostile rhetoric and military brinkmanship have added to those concerns. In February, North Korea conducted a nuclear test, two months after testing a long-range ballistic missile that could potentially strike the western United States. Memories are also fresh here of a March 2010 incident in which North Korea torpedoed a South Korean naval vessel, killing 46 sailors.

The question of who would take command of joint US-South Korean forces during another Korean conflict is an unresolved hangover from the cold war.

South Korea has wielded command of its troops during peacetime since 1994 and has steadily upgraded its military capabilities. But the US armed forces remain better equipped to deal with the threat of nuclear, ballistic missile or cyber-attacks.

In May, South Korea first floated the possibility of keeping its forces under US wartime command beyond 2015. Since then, Seoul has become more vocal in stating its request.

In August, defence minister Kim Kwan-jin raised the issue with Hagel during a meeting in Brunei. Afterwards, Kim told the South Korean parliament that there was "a consensus" in his government that sticking with the December 2015 deadline was no longer "appropriate", according to the state-run Yonhap news agency. But he acknowledged that the Americans didn't necessarily agree.

Hagel met Kim and President Park Geun-hye during his most recent trip. Although the Obama administration is eager for South Korea to take permanent command of its own forces, US officials don't want to leave the impression that handing over control might weaken the US commitment to the region.

The Pentagon has said that it has no plans to scale back its troop presence in Korea. US forces on the peninsula would remain under US command.

Back in Washington, however, some members of Congress have grown tired of South Korea's reluctance to take charge of its own defence, especially at a time of US budget constraints.

"I believe it's important that we see to it that the primary responsibility for defending South Korea during a time of war lies with South Korea," said Senator Carl Levin from Michigan, the Democratic chairman of the Senate armed services committee, said during a July confirmation for the incoming commander of US forces in Korea, Army General Curtis Scaparrotti. "It is a sovereign nation, and sovereign nations should be responsible for their own national defence in time of war."

During his confirmation hearing, Scaparrotti said that he agreed with the December 2015 timetable and that he would "do everything possible to ensure that we stay on track".

But he left some wiggle room. In written responses to the Senate panel, Scaparrotti said the transfer of wartime command would be "conditions driven" and had to be "executed in a manner that does not accept any unnecessary risk to the national security" of South Korea.

South Korea wants US to keep control over combined wartime defence forces | World news | Guardian Weekly

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Division of Korea
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The division of Korea into South Korea and North Korea stems from the 1945 Allied victory in World War II, ending the Empire of Japan's 35-year colonial rule of Korea. The United States and the Soviet Union agreed to temporarily occupy the country as a trusteeship with the zone of control demarcated along the 38th parallel. The purpose of this trusteeship was to establish a Korean provisional government which would become "free and independent in due course."

Though elections were scheduled, the Soviet Union refused to cooperate with United Nations plans to hold general and free elections in the two Korean zones, and as a result, a Communist state was permanently established under Soviet auspices in the north and a pro-Western state was set up in the south. The two superpowers backed different leaders and two states were effectively established, each of which claimed sovereignty over the whole Korean peninsula.
 
I would like to discuss more with you about this topic.

During the past 60 years of diplomatic relations between the North and the South at the time friendly rival . The two countries have allowed the family reunion in 2000 , the two leaders shook hands during a summit in Pyongyang in 2007 and set up the cross-border cargo ship . South Korean President Kim Dae - jung was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2000 for efforts to " peace and reconciliation " with North Korea .

However, the friendship stage overwhelms violence , such as bombings in 1983 that the South Korean cabinet members were killed during a visit to Myanmar in 1983 and another bombing in 1987 to blow up the plane 858 Korean airline , causing everyone on the plane died . Although surveys show that North Korea has made ​​both attacks , but Pyongyang has never acknowledged .

Recently, North Korea allegedly opened fire on Yeonpyeong Island , prompting two marines and two civilians were killed Korea . Pyongyang accused Seoul duel in 2010 with stage joint military exercises in the Yellow Sea coast . That same year , North Korea was accused of sinking of South Korean warship , which killed 40 marine fish . The incident caused Koreans outraged .

Tensions between the two sides escalated further after North Korea made ​​the first nuclear test in 2013 . The Korean government is condemning " inexcusable threat to peace and security on the Korean peninsula ."

China, the biggest ally of North Korea from the war so far , has backed the UN resolution punishing Pyongyang . The sanctions aim to enrich uranium and luxury that Korean elite use . China previously opposed tough sanctions against the regime of Kim , but Pyongyang still help the economy .

In a paper published in the Financial Times , Deng Yuwen , senior editor of the Study Times , the magazine of the Central Party School of China, urged China to " re-evaluate long-held alliances with governments Kim " .

" Even if your Korean is useful during the Cold War , but it certainly is not today ," Deng


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FNOTW: North Korea and South Korea: The painful history (part 2)
 
It harms to feeling of people in both side, who was separated of relatives, family ...
for such a very long time 1950-2013

We suffered that feeling under plans of French, US ... during 30 years. 1954-1975

We wish Korean people get the reunification day as soonest.
 
Hi,
I have always found that the story of Korea is so mystery. So I open this topic to discuss more about this.

First post,

Hostile relations between North Korea and South Korea today is mainly a result of the Cold War. But long before that, Koreans hate Americans, because the U.S. is the main factors that hinder the independence, sovereignty and national unity.

Read more at:
FNOTW: North Korea and South Korea: The painful history (part 1)

Hmm..no....

Problem is, US were never intended to be in the middle of Korea in the first place.

Right after Potsdam Declaration, the Korea was divided, ho0wever, the Chinese Civil war were bring into the stage with both Communist and Nationalist combat during the vast and resourceful Manchuria Region. North Korea was a major non-belligent power to help the Communist China by providing food, transport and save haven to the Communist soldier.

Both US and Russia honor the deal set in Moscow Conference by leaving the Korean Penisular, at this point US have no troop nor advisor nor any civilian employee left behind in Korea (Neither North nor South.

In 1950. While the North was iching to reunited with the south and it was now the Northern counterpart starting to recruit the help from Soviet and China for the initial general attack.

On the other hand, US were less prepared for such an invasion, first, due to the operational capability where the main focus of the US interest had been laid on Europe (Still under recovery at that time) South Korea were not part of Asian Defense Perimeter which technically only included Japan and Taiwan in that part of Asia (Japan because of the general hatred of Chinese, now under communist rule to Japan and Taiwan due to Nationalist losing the Civil War). And CIA report a general attack is unlikely simply because North Korea were deemed not capable for attacking alone and Soviet would want to avoid a direct confrontation with the US which is a nuclear power, and China would still be in recuperation from Civil war and hence the South Korean force was not in any sort of alert and what we perferred to call "Caught with his pants down"

The lack of US defensive measure and the lack of preparation is the Key why North Korea took merely 2 months to roll the south all the way back to Pusan.

Korean War is the ambition of one man, that's Kim Jun Il, and it's that's man whose responsibile for the Partition of Korea today, if not Kim, both US and Soviet would have stepped out of Korea as early as 1949, so what you blame the America on partitioning Korea was wrong. Dead wrong.
 
US and now CHina join the game!
 
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