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No room for Iran in China-Pakistan economic cooperation

Iran could have developed chabhar on their own or asked a number of other countries for parternship but they chose India. This is a strategically anti Pakistani. No room for CPEC for a friend this close to an enemy.
 
Iran could have developed chabhar on their own or asked a number of other countries for parternship but they chose India. This is a strategically anti Pakistani and must be punished. No room for CPEC for a friend of an enemy.

What good is overthrowing the current regime for another one that would probably be more anti-Pakistan and as for Iranian particpation in CPEC not now but when Iran can sets its priorities right then maybe
 
What good is overthrowing the current regime for another one that would probably be more anti-Pakistan and as for Iranian particpation in CPEC not now but when Iran can sets its priorities right then maybe

Iran is naturally heading for regime change. Their model of government is not sustainble and diplomatically an absolute immature mess. No point doing deals with them now and wait for new regime.
 
Iran is naturally heading for regime change. Their model of government is not sustainble and diplomatically an absolute immature mess. No point doing deals with them now and wait for new regime.

Well they been saying the same since 1979 I do see reforms to current system but not full blown regime change at the moment
 
I bet Beijing did not expect this curveball. It looks like the southern route of BRI cannot go beyond Pakistan and the Gulf of Aden for now. Northern route is Kazakhstan and Russia. Hopefully Beijing would also think twice before treading into the graveyard of empires even just to trade.

Don't worry bro, If Pakistan wants it, than your trucks will go safely through the Afghanistan .. Protected by Taliban Commandos :D
 
this linking of every investment in Pakistan with CPEC is idiotic. If Iranian want to invest in mutually beneficial projects they should be more then welcome.
 
The thing is as long as the Northern Alliance goons and the Yankee still reigns in Afghanistan for the time being I suggest Beijing to watch closely the region but stay back there is reason why this whole "Xinjiang" issue with the Uyghurs are being highlighted they want entire Central Asian region to turnback from PRC and the rat f..cker Dostum is right in Ankara's lap which complicates it further which is why Pakistan,China and ,Russia should steadfast support national reconcilation govt with the Taliban at top.



With all the chest thumping by the Pakistani PDF members this is probably the best response I gotten here so far we need to balance the relations with Saudi and Iran, I hate the Iranians are in bed with the Indians but the alternative of regime change some suggest could backfire we dont need more of that in this voilatile region

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Desert Fox

Majority of these people don’t know jack about diplomacy, foreign policy and economic relationship. They make foolish comments without knowing the facts.

We need to have balance approach, increase our export and reduce imports, request investment from Iran, Qatar, UAE and Saudi Arabia. We should not becomes part of Middle East conflict by taking sides. We can have good relationship with all ME countries by staying neutral and that is the best approach.
 
Maybe it was all ISI plan to catch Indian spy and have the trail in international court to humiliate india. India no longer denies their involvement in Balochistan and they are using Afghanistan and Iran’s territory to launch covert attack on Pakistan.
We need that kind of leverage over Iran. I believe you have a wrong approach. we need good relationships with Iran. We need a transit route for our exports to reach Central Asisan nations. We need to sign FTA with Iran which we have been working on it for last five years. We can sell defence goods to them k-8 and Jf-17 Block 2, etc.

Take an example of China and India, their trade has increase massively since 2016. China and USA, both depend on each when it comes to trade. China is number one exporter to USA, and USA need cheap imports from China.

Once Kashmir issue is resolved (IOK become part of Pakistan) and if India is willing to have a good friendly relationship without any conditions, Pakistan and India can have good relationship.

Irans General has been threatening Pakistan and you are talking about selling weapons to
them.:nono:
 
I bet Beijing did not expect this curveball. It looks like the southern route of BRI cannot go beyond Pakistan and the Gulf of Aden for now. Northern route is Kazakhstan and Russia. Hopefully Beijing would also think twice before treading into the graveyard of empires even just to trade.
No hard feelings but Iran can't be trusted, after all the insurgents it has under its wings.

Who is going to pay for the wall? Saudi?
They could if we ask to join them, Iran isnt short of enemies
 
Irans General has been threatening Pakistan and you are talking about selling weapons to
them.:nono:

They are not threatening....
There’s a genuine issue on the border. It is in the interest of both, Iran and Pakistan, to resolved this issue as soon as possible.

American sold F-16s to us, we are dependent on America to supply parts and technical know how for repair. We can’t upgrade without their approval.
If we sell weapons (K-8, JF-17 etc) to Iran, they will depend on us and China for parts and support. Now your enemy’s friend become dependent on you (Pakistan) to help them.
 
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No room for Iran in China-Pakistan economic cooperation

Islamabad can't afford bearing U.S., Saudi ire by inviting Tehran to join economic project with Beijing, analysts believe.
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( Metin Aktas - Anadolu Agency )
By Aamir Latif

KARACHI, Pakistan

Pakistan is not in a position to entertain Iran’s desire to join the multibillion-dollar China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) project due to strong opposition from its longtime allies, the United States, and Saudi Arabia, local analysts reckon.

Iran's ambassador to Pakistan, Mehdi Honardoost, said last week his country was eager to join the CPEC, which is part of Beijing’s ambitious One Belt One Road project, a network of infrastructural projects to connect China to the world.

"We believe CPEC is a very important and giant project which can greatly impact peace and cooperation among countries in the region," Honardoost said while addressing the members of Pakistan-Iran Joint Chamber of Commerce and Industry in the capital Islamabad.

The ambassador went on to argue that the CPEC would not reach its final destination without Tehran’s support, especially in the energy and transportation sectors.

"Practically, there is zero chance of Tehran’s inclusion in the project in given circumstances whereby the Islamic Republic is facing ever-increasing sanctions from the U.S.”, Dr. Shahid Hasan Siddiqui, a Karachi-based economist, told Anadolu Agency.

Islamabad, already under mounting pressures from money laundering watchdogs, could not afford any further isolation by "displeasing" Washington and Riyadh, he went on to say.

The Financial Action Task Force (FATF), a global terror-financing watchdog, put Pakistan on its gray list in June 2018 after Saudi Arabia and China did not oppose a U.S.-backed move against Islamabad.

"Pakistan has not been able to materialize the multibillion-dollar Pak-Iran Gas Pipeline project in the last 25 years due to the U.S. pressure, though Tehran has completed its part a long time ago," Siddiqui said.

"This is more than sufficient to figure out the fate of Tehran’s desire."

Abdul Khalique Ali, a Karachi-based political and security analyst shared a similar view.

"The [Pakistan-Iran] gas pipeline project could meet Pakistan’s growing energy demands but the U.S. pressure did not let Islamabad fulfill its commitment with Tehran. How can we expect a miracle this time," Ali told Anadolu Agency.

Singed in 2014, the $64 billion CPEC project will connect northwest China to Pakistan's southwestern Gwadar port through a network of roads, railways, and pipelines to transport cargo, oil, and gas.

This will provide the shortest route to Chinese cargo destined for the Middle East, Central Asia, and Africa.

In a tit-for-tat move, Iran, India, and Afghanistan signed a multibillion-dollar deal in 2016 to develop Iran’s southern Chabahar Port.

The three countries also signed a three-way transit agreement to extend the trade route to several landlocked Central Asian countries.

"Iran is strategically a very important country for Pakistan. Its inclusion in the CPEC will definitely serve the purpose of regional connectivity," Siddiqui said.

"But the problem is that the current conditions are not in favor of that," he added.

Siddiqui rejected the idea that Chabahar will be a competitor to the Gwadar Port, he said the two ports were not set to rival one another -- and would, in fact, complement each other.


- Economic dependence

Siddiqui ruled out the possibility of any U.S. concession for Pakistan vis-à-vis Tehran’s CPEC hopes even Islamabad is playing the desired role for reconciliation in war-torn Afghanistan.

"Washington has only changed its strategy not its designs for the region. Therefore, I don’t foresee any concession for Islamabad in regard to Tehran’s inclusion in the CPEC," he said.

Ali, the Karachi-based security analyst, said Islamabad’s economic dependence on U.S.-controlled international financial agencies, and the Gulf States, mainly Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates constituted as another major hurdle in Tehran’s inclusion in the CPEC.

Pakistan’s relationship with the Gulf states is mainly based on economy-related matters. Huge amounts of remittances sent by expatriate Pakistanis in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and other Gulf states have a significant impact on the country’s economy.

Saudi Arabia and the UAE have recently given a combined bailout package of $12 billion to Pakistan to prop up its ailing economy and declining foreign reserves.

In addition to that, Riyadh is also going to make over $10 billion investment in Pakistan, mainly for the establishment of an oil refinery in Gwadar.

Saudi Arabia and the UAE, which jointly host over 3 million Pakistanis, top the list of countries with the highest remittances to Pakistan. The two countries -- longtime rivals of Tehran -- contribute a combined sum of around $9 billion out of total 20 $billion annual remittances, according to State Bank of Pakistan.

Also, Saudi Arabia and the UAE are Pakistan’s largest regional trading partners, which exported goods and services, mainly oil, of over $7 billion to Pakistan in the last fiscal year.

Whereas, the trade volume between Pakistan and Iran is merely $1.5 billion with no significant amount of remittances from Tehran to Islamabad.

"It is next to impossible for Pakistan to ignore the Saudi and UAE factors vis-à-vis Iran’s wish. So, in my opinion, this desire will simply remain a desire only," Ali said.
Even though alot of Pakistanis have religious respect for Iran, but it's pro indian agenda and anti Pak rhetoric needs tó stop
 
After Pakistan provided a platform to Saudi foreign minister to term Iran as a terrorist state, Iran's inclination towards CPEC would have cooled down a bit. Would have been great for BRI though.
 
Who wrote this crap.
If one thing pm has said since becoming pm, that he would take Pakistans towards meditation.. A way for the convergance.
Cpec could be a way
Where different enemies converge for economic purposes.
Iran should be on board.
 
Its unfortunate we cant have better relations with Iran. Iranians are an intelligent people, who like us they suffer from crippling sanctions. Unlike us though, theyre better at being self sufficient and are nowhere near the level of debt and corruption we suffer.

However, they are naive and foolish to ally with the Indians.

They have shot themselves in the foot by allying with India; cow piss drinking monkey worshippers who are Israels number 1 weapons purchaser. Hypocrites.

-- again despite all of this, We should all unite. Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, Saudi, just imagine how strong we can be !
 

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