No recognition if Taliban take Kabul by force, warns US

[Path-Finder]

well - recognition means nothing - but i hope these mullah brigades dont repeat their dark ages once again; may be then there is light.

well, Mullah Omar did say 20 years ago that they have learned from their mistakes. Lets see what they do now.

 

[denel]

well, Mullah Omar did say 20 years ago that they have learned from their mistakes. Lets see what they do now.

correct, i would like to give them benefit of the doubt. Plus a lot of talibs are not afghans but conscripted from Pak camps. let us see what happens.

 

[Path-Finder]

correct, i would like to give them benefit of the doubt. Plus a lot of talibs are not afghans but conscripted from Pak camps. let us see what happens.

on the contrary the Talib today have Shia, Hazara and even Tajik+Uzbekks. The farsi speaking north could never have fallen without people from that region being the movement.

 

[denel]

on the contrary the Talib today have Shia, Hazara and even Tajik+Uzbekks. The farsi speaking north could never have fallen without people from that region being the movement.

yes - they had that moffie Dostom runnign the show up north. what would be interesting if Hekmetyar behaves; last time, he screwed up entire country.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Who exactly cares?!? Only 4 countries are important for any serious regime in Kabul: Pak, Iran, Russia and China. The rest are all Fasa Fiso...

The Taliban have the “moral” support from all of them....

As for the “physical” support, the least said the better....

*The British used to heftily pay the “dues” to the Afgan leaders of all sorts during the “Great Game” to buy her buffer state status. And, so did the Czars

 

[TNT]

Would it count as "by force", if ghani packs his bags and runs away while the ANA rolls out a red carpet for taliban??

 

[Path-Finder]

yes - they had that moffie Dostom runnign the show up north. what would be interesting if Hekmetyar behaves; last time, he screwed up entire country.

its not just that, the scum that made up northern alliance when they came to power with daddy yankee's might behind them and we cannot forget the socialist/marxist pashtuns. the northerns had a habbit of child molestation and taking women after checking their chastity.

I can't remember where I heard this but the first time the Talib actually rose up 3 decades ago was after Mullah Omar took action against people molesting children and taking young women and girls after checking their chastity.

it seems like a whole exercise has been done of 'coming full circle'

 

[nahtanbob]

But US taking over Kabul by force and installing a puppet government is acceptable but by others isn’t? Sometimes I feel like giving a beat down to these fools.

Still haven’t realize after 20 years you can’t inforce anything in that country.

Maybe if the taliban choose not to shelter characters who fly jetliners into skyscrappers US would not be in Afghanistan

 

[Han-Tang]

How did the US take Afghanistan many years ago？BY love？

another question： does Taliban need US‘s recognition？

 

[FuturePAF]

Thats where turkey comes in IMO.

That’s probably why Turkey decided to pull out its troops from the Airport plan and send back Dostum. A Force of Afghans under Dostum but with Turkish backing maybe the compromise that will satisfy their need for a force to protect Turkic peoples and Create the “Great Turkic Corridor”.

We can’t forget, once a trade convoy is through to Turkmenistan and in the Caspian, through expanded Canals being built in the region, one can sail (through the Don-Volga Canal) to Istanbul and Beyond.

sorry to the mods if this is a little off topic, but I wanted to bring up Dostum, because as a Turkish Ally, he maybe pivotal to establishing an internationally legitimate government. If Dostum Brings backing of Uzbek and Turkmen leaders and the Taliban gather a Loya Jirga of “their” own populations (mostly Pashtun), they maybe be able to cobble a unity government to sit in Kabul (word pun intended; Cobbling their way to Kabul). It may kot be the kind of legitimacy the west wants but if it’s legitimate for most of the Afghans it may work. Especially if in a grand bargain they agree to some provisions around equal majority/minority rights and representation. For the Turks it could be part of their larger desire for resurrecting a “Pax Osmania” (Ottoman Peace). Let’s see what develops.

 

[PakFactor]

correct, i would like to give them benefit of the doubt. Plus a lot of talibs are not afghans but conscripted from Pak camps. let us see what happens.

From my observation they have removed external influence (outside fighters) and it seems it's more of a domestic make up right now. Other thing I've noticed, is these guys used to be cut throat they'd kill surrendering forces right away, but it's almost as if they are on their own version of winning hearts and minds right now and not slaughtering ANA forces, though the Taliban's could've done so to avenge what the ANA did to surrendering Taliban in the past.

And Path-Finder is correct, Omar did say that in the interview.

But still this doesn't wash away crimes they have committed, and remember the West isn't so innocent either, so neither side has the moral higher ground to stand on between Taliban and West.

 

[Jobless Jack]

they would like to think that but if that is not possible chances of whom are very high they do like to keep other options open, remember they left Saddam option open for 20 years before invading. IF Taiwan Adventure does happen then Uncle Sam wont be able to continue this adventurist life style anymore.

Regardless of consequence.

Uncle Sams next tour of joy is Taiwan and eastern europe.

The recent fiasco involving a british frigate and russian fighter indicates that.

 

[xyxmt]

Regardless of consequence.

Uncle Sams next tour of joy is Taiwan and eastern europe.

The recent fiasco involving a british frigate and russian fighter indicates that.

when was the last time US went to war with even a half formidable foe, US fighting with Russia and China...never never ever will happen

 

[Jobless Jack]

when was the last time US went to war with even a half formidable foe, US fighting with Russia and China...never never ever will happen

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