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No place for Ahmadis in Imran Khan’s Naya Pakistan

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Ironically Ahmadis do not want to be included in the mainstream, if you read some of their works they have already concluded they are right and everyone else who is non ahmadi is kuffar decades before they were declared non muslim. It is just topi drama on their part and nothing more.

In fact, I didn't see many Ahmadis who'd want to continue with that logic anymore. And despite what the article says, many Ahmadis are coming out of that boycott mistake and actively participating in elections.
 
If ahmadis want to continue their god damn drama then they are welcome,but we will never,never,ever accept them as our MUSLIM BROTHERS......
They were minority,they are minority and they are declared non-muslims.:angry:
 
Islamic scripture can not be changed. Any change in the even the basic principles of Islam means abandoning the religion itself.
And by refusing Prophet Muhammad being the final Prophet, Ahmadis have made their choice pretty clear.

Not true, Infact quran was amended and changed quite a few times hence there are quite different version floating around since beginning. Hafsa bint Umar's text was ordered to be the standard and rest all were destroyed by the caliph Uthman ibn Affan, because there were quite a few of them in distribution back in the day. But incedentally the current popular version of quran is the one that is compiled by Abu Bakr, now there is another version to believed to be compiled by Ali ibn Abi Talib right after muhammads death, which differed from the standardized version, none of them are written by the prophet, so there will always exist a chance in the book to have mis interpreted what the prophet may or may not have said or believed.


There is no objection to believing whatever one wants, the problem is against a forceful insertion into Islamic mainstream that Ahmadis desire. One is either a Muslim or a Chirstian or a Hindu or a Jew or atheist. You can't be a Jew and atheist at the same time, can you?

Athiesm has no rules, you can be a atheist and what ever you like .. thats the beauty of it. Athiesim believes in logic, and if logic dictates for personal gratification of spiritual psychological reasons you need to go to the church or temple once in a while, you are free to do so!
 
A very lovely official press release spewing hate by the PTI below. Imran Khan's stance is best described by an excellent comment in ET;

Imran Khan: “No, no, no, let me clarify: They are lying. I am actually a bigot just like you. Really I am. Honest to God”. PS “Also remember, I am not afraid of dying”.

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Those who are repeating the rhetoric of "basic Tenant"
BRING YOUR PROOF

where does it say that not believing Muhammad as last prophet kicks you out of islam??? Go pick up up your Quran from higher-dusty place that you have kept it at, safe & secure, so you don't ever have to touch it or read it.


Prophet Ibraheim was a Muslim too, he never mentioned Muhammad & was born centuries before him.
How could Ibraheim be a Muslim then???

Jesus was a Muslim too & so were his disciples. They never declared finality of Prophet Muhammad.


Q:3:52:When Jesus found unbelief on their part, he said: "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the Disciples: "We are Allah's helpers we believe in Allah and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.
Q:3:67:Ibrahim was not a Jew, nor a Nazarene, but he was an upright Muslim, nor was he of the associators.





You guys are like stubborn idolators who were told not to worship idols & they said why not we saw our forefathers doing so.
Your forefathers told you a bunch of BS & you are sticking to it without bothering to read the original scripture.




...ahmadi doctrine makes a mockery out of Islam and all Muslim majority countries got together and declared them non-Muslim so the verdict should stand, it is one of the few things all Muslims regardless of sect ever agreed upon.

NOT a single country besides Pakistan has declared them non-Muslims.

Quran says don't lie. Since you lied & you went against Quran so I declare YOU a non-Muslim now,,, how about that...


Quran says dead don't hear, some Brailvis intercede with ppl in graves. So they are making mockery of Islam. Declare them non-Muslim too. WHY pick-&-choose.

Shia believe in 12 Imams & believe they are divinely ordained & receive Wahi from ALLAH... So they believe in 12 men after Prophet Muhammad who receive revelation from ALLAH... They are 12 steps ahead of Mirzais. Declare them non-Muslims too in constitution.


Wahabis say music is haram even though it was being played in Prophet's house itself. So Wahabis make a mockery of Prophet of Islam by saying that Prophet Muhammad allowed HARAAM inside his own house. Declare them Kafir too in constitution.


No they do not,
I've lived with Ahmadis, they are better muslims than grave-interceder-mushriks-Brailvis for example. & Better in practicing Quran & Sunnah than you.

let me tell you why. Prophet Muhammad PBUH said from his own mouth that "there will be none after me, I am the last and the seal of the prophets". The minute they say that is false, it means they are calling him a liar, if they are calling him a liar then they are calling God a liar because God says in the Quran that Prophet Muhammad only says what he directs him to say so when he said he is the last it means God told him to say he is the last. So you call both our God and our Prophet liars but then expect us to consider you one of our own. :pop:
You are liar too, as I proved in start of this post.

Quran says don't lie, the minute you lied you it means you say Quran is false, if you are calling Quran as false, you are basically saying Allah is a liar (Nauzubillah). So I declare YOU a non-Muslim... How about that...

This is NOT proof. Bring proof from Quran & hadees. Period. Or correct yourself.

Sunni, Shia, Wahabi, Brailvi, Ahmadi ALL are Muslims. They might differ. Some even commit Shirk, the unforgivable sin, by interceding thru ppl in graves. Declare these Mushriks as non-Muslims before anyone else or YOU are going against Quran & you deserve to be declared a non-Muslim before Mirzais...

As long as they fulfil this definition of a "Muslim" they are a Muslim. You can say they are mis-guided but still Muslim.

Sahih Bukhari:Volumn 6, Book 60, Hadith Number 300.
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Narated By Abu Huraira : One day while Allah's Apostle was sitting with the people, a man(Gabriel in form of a man) came to him walking and said, "O Allah's Prophet. What is Belief(Eman)?" The Prophet said, "Belief is to believe in Allah, His Angels, His Books, His Apostles, and the meeting with Him, and to believe in the Resurrection." The man asked, "O Allah's Apostle What is Islam?" The Prophet replied, "Islam is to worship Allah and not worship anything besides Him, to offer prayers perfectly, to pay the (compulsory) charity i.e. Zakat and to fast the month of Ramadan." The man again asked, "O Allah's Apostle What is Ihsan (i.e. perfection or Benevolence)?" The Prophet said, "Ihsan is to worship Allah as if you see Him, and if you do not achieve this state of devotion, then (take it for granted that) Allah sees you." The man further asked, "O Allah's Apostle When will the Hour be established?"...



Bukhari:Volumn:1, Book 2, Hadith Number 47.

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Narated By Abu Huraira : One day while the Prophet was sitting in the company of some people, (The angel) Gabriel came and asked, "What is faith?" Allah's Apostle replied, 'Faith is to believe in Allah, His angels, (the) meeting with Him, His Apostles, and to believe in Resurrection." Then he further asked, "What is Islam?" Allah's Apostle replied, "To worship Allah Alone and none else, to offer prayers perfectly to pay the compulsory charity (Zakat) and to observe fasts during the month of Ramadan." Then he further asked, "What is Ihsan (perfection)?" Allah's Apostle replied, "To worship Allah as if you see Him, and if you cannot achieve this state of devotion then you must consider that He is looking at you." Then he further asked, "When will the Hour be established?" Allah's Apostle replied, "The answerer has no better knowledge than the questioner. But I will inform you about its portents.


Q:2:285:The apostle believeth in that which is sent down Unto him from his Lord, and so do the believers. Each one believeth in Allah and His angels and His Books and His apostles, saying: we differentiate not between any of His apostles. And they say: we hearken and obey; Thy forgiveness, Our Lord! and Unto Thee is the return!
Q:4:136:O Ye who believe believe in Allahs and His apostle and the Book He hath sent down unto His apostle and the Book He sent down aforetime; and whosoever disbelieveth in Allah and His angels and His Books and His Apostles and the Last Day, hath surely strayed away a far straying.
 
OK let me get his right. If I am not mistaken most Pakistanis support this view and Ahmadis are in no position to decide political future of Pakistan. So how on earth can this blog be a politically motivated one?
 
That is indeed an interesting take, So you want to ensure that Islam according to the scribes of Zayd ibn Thabit which might be Vol.1 of the quran should be followed in todays day and age.


the question still remain is that most of the data about prophets in islam comes from the quran, which was not written by god or the prophet, but compiled after the prophets death. So is there a rational possibility of him being misquoted, or his words taken out of context.



And why is that? Discussing islamic matters need to be punished ?

The Quran is the word of God, it has never been altered in 1400 years while all other religious texts have been tampered with or lost over time. It was only put into codified format because those who had memorized it orally were passing away and it became necessary. There is no possibility of it being "misquoted" when that part of our creed is stressed over and over again and went unchallenged for 1400 years. You should just drop it because you lack knowledge on the subject.

Rational possibility lol, one just has to look at origins of qadianism and you will see what it really was all about.
 
The Quran is the word of God, it has never been altered in 1400 years while all other religious texts have been tampered with or lost over time. It was only put into codified format because those who had memorized it orally were passing away and it became necessary. There is no possibility of it being "misquoted" when that part of our creed is stressed over and over again and went unchallenged for 1400 years. You should just drop it because you lack knowledge on the subject.

Rational possibility lol, one just has to look at origins of qadianism and you will see what it really was all about.

Not true, there seems to be diiferent versions of quran right from the begining translating to it being interpreted or compiled by different authors. you might want to look it up
 
That is indeed an interesting take, So you want to ensure that Islam according to the scribes of Zayd ibn Thabit which might be Vol.1 of the quran should be followed in todays day and age.

I beg your pardon?! Do you even know what you wrote?

the question still remain is that most of the data about prophets in islam comes from the quran, which was not written by god or the prophet, but compiled after the prophets death. So is there a rational possibility of him being misquoted, or his words taken out of context.

A compilation was already made when Prophet was alive...Hafsa 1 of Prophet's wife had a compiled Quran....Not sure where you do your readings from... :unsure:
 
And that between them and God - this thakedar of Islam has only gotten us from a bad place to a worse place. here is the heart of the issue for the state, that all citizens of Pakistan are equal before the law - equal before God is a issue for God, not men.

muse kindly research and study the concepts of mirza ghulam ahmed qadiyani before blaming reasonlessly the right decisions taken by Ulemas..:hitwall:
i have studied his concepts and i can't even mention here how shameless they are...specially how god meet him....if I do then admins will ban me...
 
The Quran is the word of God, it has never been altered in 1400 years while all other religious texts have been tampered with or lost over time. It was only put into codified format because those who had memorized it orally were passing away and it became necessary. There is no possibility of it being "misquoted" when that part of our creed is stressed over and over again and went unchallenged for 1400 years.

Is that why all sects have been killing each other and continue to this day while claiming to believe in the same Quran? Can your statement be any more ignorant?
 
I was talking about hindus being killed for converting to other faiths and incidents of hindus forcefully converting others.
As an example.
The Observer encountered compelling evidence of the scale of the violence employed in a conversion programme apparently sanctioned by members of one of the most powerful Hindu groups in India, the 6.8-million member Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) - the World Hindu Council.

Standing in the ashes of her neighbour's house in the village of Sarangagada, Jaspina Naik, 32, spoke nervously, glancing towards a group of Hindu men watching her suspiciously. 'My neighbours said, "If you go on being Christians, we will burn your houses and your children in front of you, so make up your minds quickly",' she said. 'I was scared. Christians have no place in this area now.'http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/19/orissa-violence-india-christianity-hinduism

Am not here to make out that pakistanis are all so pure and the indians are evil but that when it comes to faith and certain things the indians accuse us of ,they should look at themselfs first.

What you asked was about similar laws in India (like blasphemy law in pak)...and VHP doesn't pass any laws in India and the incident you quoted is nowhere near any "law".. got it?
 
see the people calling them Christians in usa and running for election like mr romney who is morman and has another prophet beside HAZRAT ESSA(A.S)[PROPHET JESUS(A.S) ] but still calls him a christian.the yanki dodal bush who is member of skull and bones and his cousin john carry they clam they are Christians and are member of above cult type societies

if their is no control sects and cult type religious people will rule.if they clearly don't fit on basic definitions or are practicing their own made religious practices how can they be accepted of followers of that religion
 
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