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No one can change history - we are the same people, says Pakistani author

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so you get your "info" from PDF and a frnd ? :rofl: I've been to these countries.. as for dying labourer do check again .. It's your kind and Nepalese.


Lmao why would I ever want to pass in india ? Lol


You loved how to get owned in 48,62,65 quiet well .. And even in 71.. 34,000 soldiers fighting a civil war in a region with the population of 75 million..thousands of miles away from home with your country between .. and india directly fightin n supportin terrorists .. And an invasion with a troop ratio of 1:20... Kinda reminds one of hyenas attackin a wounded lion ... And please don't pull such numbers out of your scrawny black rear.

You aresoo interested in others rear .:rofl:Sorry we are not your type :rofl:

At theend you lost the war .A war that you started with a Operation Chenghis Khan,a pathetic attempt to imitate Israel but failed miserably.In 65 you tried to attack Kashmir and ended up in defending Lahore from an Indian invasion.In 62 you are just a cheer leader.
So Cut the crap.I can post the link of the reputed TTA critcising Arabs mentality .At any case they are far experienced than you.
Yes Indians are also there.But we also have big business corporate and a lot of professionals in there.
Even have corporates having good relationship with Al Saud.
So our friends and your TTA are far more experienced than you.
 
I wrote a book in which I said Pakistani and Japanese are the same people, next year i am going on the book tour to China to promote this book. Now you can Quote my book and open a thread please.
REAALLLYYYYYYY? My info has it that Japanese has definite W African links by way of the Dravidians. Fyi,Cameroonians and Tamils can communicate almost directly. I'd like to see your work-do you have a website?
 
You aresoo interested in others rear .:rofl:Sorry we are not your type :rofl:

At theend you lost the war .A war that you started with a Operation Chenghis Khan,a pathetic attempt to imitate Israel but failed miserably.In 65 you tried to attack Kashmir and ended up in defending Lahore from an Indian invasion.In 62 you are just a cheer leader.
So Cut the crap.I can post the link of the reputed TTA critcising Arabs mentality .At any case they are far experienced than you.
Yes Indians are also there.But we also have big business corporate and a lot of professionals in there.
Even have corporates having good relationship with Al Saud.
So our friends and your TTA are far more experienced than you.

I have explained all that several times .. I got no time or intent of doing that again for you napkin nigger

REAALLLYYYYYYY? My info has it that Japanese has definite W African links by way of the Dravidians. Fyi,Cameroonians and Tamils can communicate almost directly. I'd like to see your work-do you have a website?
He's joking.
 
:rofl: :rofl: dot head ? HahahahahahhabahahahahahahahhahHhGhahH




dot head = indians aka your kind ... Hahahahahah irony strikes again.

In here dot and hole is in your brain.Full of holes with lack of common sense.:rofl:
 
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Hafiz saeed dont have any thing against india except for what india is doing in Indian occupied kashmir.

Dear Sir,Hafiz Sayed is a Non Kashmiri,if I am right.He was born in India,some where near the Punjab,Haryana border.Well Hafiz Sayed is concerned about what the Indians r doing to Kashmiris,but what he done to Kashmiris on other side of the border. Forget Kashmiris for a moment,what about Pakistanis.What about the insurgency going in Balochistan right from 1947,what about the attacks on Punjabis in Quetta,what about the victims who r dying in Pakistan at the hands of terrorist every 5th day. What about the attacks on School children in Peshawar,what about the attacks on Polio workers. What about the current petrol crisis,next in line is Electricity crisis due to shortage of furnace oil.What about the attacks on Shias,What about the attacks on Hazaras in Quetta who r demanding asylum in Australlia , Europe & elsewhere.Is the life of Hazara less important then Kashmiri. What about the attacks on Christians,Ahmediyas & their homes burnt. Lastly what about the migration of Pakistani Hindus from Sindh every year in thousands every year. Does Hafiz Sayed has any answer or solution apart from giving Anti India statements in Murdike

And as far as bhutto family is concerned they never took any vote by elevating anti Indian sentiments in our country.On other hand, your media and politicians use the name of Pakistan in every occasion which unfortunately is the only way to get your self popular inside the country like india.
Does it matter whether he has taken any vote or simply ANOTHER political stunt. So according to you if a Pakistani Politician is not taking any vote for delivering anti Indian statements,it is alright. He doesn't become a Saint. Just like Pakistani Politicans,It is true that Indian Politicans have delivered Anti Pakistani statements,it is just a trick to divert people attention from main real issues.

we dont even likes to recall the name "India", it really gives us vomit. Believe me bro
People in Bombay now Mumbai would talk about Hollywood,Bollywood,Aishwary,Hrithik,Shahrukh Khan,John Abrham,it could be the anything or the latest mobile phones,the latest cars,Laptops,Electronic gadgets, tell me where is Pakistan involved in. The latest gossip is about Obama's visit to India. About Pakistan,the news item is restricted Bomb blasts,Sunni Shia voilence,Extremism,
Do u really think Indians r obsessed with Pakistan. A big NO.The younger generation of Indians don't carry the 1947 baggage & are also least interested in your country.Forget Indians,What about people from other countries & what they know about Pakistan. Today Pakistan is known as the land of Suicide Bombers in global circles. Yr cricket matches are played in some other countries like UK or Middle east,how long this will go on. Why r foregin dignatories cancelling their visits to Pakistan,this was not the case earlier. Why r they afraid to visit your country.

Bro you can find tons of such trash in the net, if you really likes to live on to these articles then, i will also share the same thing about your own country. But the matter of fact is you guys are actually under inferiority complex. Believe me mate, its true! if some one say we Pakistanis and indians are same, then indians will feel happy unlike Pakistanis. This is what inferiority complex really is, you guys are desperately wanting to attach your self with us for achieving, i dont know what!
We Indians r under inferiority complex,this is something news to me.There may be tons of trash on net which cannot be denied. Why should Indians be associated with Pakistan,it is the other way. This was not the case earlier. It is situation back home in Pakistan which is compelling them to pass like Indians. The attacks by Militants have tarnished the image of Pakistan

Believe it or not but india is actually the only country in the world who yearns to get themselves associated with the country which is its number one enemy. And this is what inferiority complex is!.
Another big lie.From where did u get this rotten garbage. Do u have the source TO back up your claims. How many Indians have settled in Pakistan after 1947,on the other hand,thousands of Pakistani Hindus migrate to India
 
I have explained all that several times .. I got no time or intent of doing that again for you napkin nigger


He's joking.

Ohh,Okay! I'll just keep out cause this thread IS NOT making PDFers look good-trust me!

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You loved how to get owned in 48,62,65

Wait a minute..
65 ? When Pakistan tried to invade Kashmir,and in the end lost more than three times the territory you could capture ..?
62 ? It was the Chinese.Now shut up cheerleader

And even in 71.

In 71 you lost half your territory..and couldn't do anything even in western sector.
 
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Wait a minute..
65 ? When Pakistan tried to invade Kashmir,and in the end lost more than three times the territory you could capture ..?

Wait so that's what happened ? Try covert operations n indian invasion and getting rapes .. Be it the worlds largest tank battle, the beating at BRB. The *** whooping in the air, the fear of losing punjab n so on .. Or the begging at UN for a ceasefire n death at Tashkent.

Here are some quotes from that time .. N from your own officers overlooking the war:

"This airforce(the PAF), is second to none"
"The air war lasted two weeks and the Pakistanis scored a
three-to-one kill ratio, knocking out 102 Russian-made Indian jets and losing thirty-four airplanes of their own. I'm certain about the figures because I went out several times a day in a chopper and counted the wrecks below." "They were really good, aggressive dogfighters and proficient in gunnery and air combat tactics. I was damned impressed. Those guys just lived and breathed flying. "


(General (Retd.) Chuck Yeager (USAF) , Book: Yeager, the
Autobiography
).

In 1965, Pakistanis really whipped India's rear end.

"Pakistan claims to have destroyed something like 1/3rd the Indian Air Force, and foreign observers, who are in a position to know say that Pakistani pilots have claimed even higher kills than this; but the Pakistani Air Force are being scrupulously honest in evaluating these claims. They are crediting Pakistan Air Force only those killings that can be checked from other sources."

Roy Meloni,
American Broadcasting Corporation
September 15, 1965.

1965 War, the Inside Story by R.D. Pradhan:

In Chapter 8 titled "Of Cowardice and Panic", the author describes the cowardice of Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad, the Indian general commanding officer in Lahore sector. When the general was fired upon by Pakistani forces, he "ran away". "On learning that, Lt. Gen. Harbakash Singh and the corps commander drove in a Jonga to the battlefront. Army commander found that the enemy (PAF) air attack had created a havoc on G.T. Road. (Indian) Vehicles were burning and several vehicles of 15 Division abandoned on the road, the drivers having run away, leaving some of the engines still running. Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad was hiding in a recently irrigated sugar cane field. As described by Harabakash Singh: "He (Prasad) came out to receive us, with his boots covered with wet mud. He had no head cover, nor was he wearing any badges of his rank. He had stubble on his face, not having shaved." Seeing him in such a stage, Harbakhash Singh asked him: "Whether he was the General Officer commanding a division or a coolie? Why had he removed badges of rank and not shaved? Niranjan Prasad had no answer."

Pradhan's book contains many different entries by Indian Defense Minister Y.B. Chavan. A Sept 9, 1965 entry reads: Had a very hard day on all fronts. Very fierce counter-attacks mounted and we are required to withdraw in Kasur area. COAS was somewhat uncertain of himself. I suggested to him that he should go in forward areas so that he will be in touch of realities. He said he would go next day.

In Line of Duty: A Soldier Remembers, Lt Gen Harbakhsh Singh reveals that not only did Gen Chowdhury play a very small role in the entire campaign, he was so nervous as to be on the verge of losing half of Punjab to Pakistan, including the city of Amritsar. Harbakhsh describes, in clinical detail, how our own offensive in the Lahore sector had come unhinged. The general commanding the division on Ichchogil canal fled in panic, leaving his jeep, its wireless running and the briefcase containing sensitive documents that were then routinely read on Radio Pakistan during the war. Singh wanted to court martial him, Chowdhury let him get away with resignation.

According to Shekhar Gupta, the editor of Indian Express, Harbkhash Singh recounts that a bigger disaster struck a bit to the south where the other division cracked up in assault, just as it encountered a bit of resistance. Several infantry battalions, short on battle inoculation, deserted and Singh gives a hair-raising account – and confirmation of a long-debated rumor – that Chowdhury panicked so badly he ordered him to withdraw to a new defensive line behind the Beas, thereby conceding half of Punjab to Pakistan. Singh describes the conversation with Chowdhury at Ambala where he refused to carry out the order, asking his chief to either put it down in writing or visit the front and take charge of the battle.

The London Daily Mirror reported in 1965:

"There is a smell of death in the burning Pakistan sun. For it was here that India's attacking forces came to a dead stop.

"During the night they threw in every reinforcement they could find. But wave after wave of attacks were repulsed by the Pakistanis"

"India", said the London Daily Times, "is being soundly beaten by a nation which is outnumbered by four and a half to one in population and three to one in size of armed forces."


In Times reporter Louis Karrar wrote:

"Who can defeat a nation which knows how to play hide and seek with death".

USA - Aviation week & space technology - December 1968 issue.

"For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli victory over the Arabs in 1967. A further similarity was that Indian air power had an approximately 5:1 numerical superiority at the start of the conflict. Unlike the Middle East conflict, the Pakistani air victory was achieved to a large degree by air-to-air combat rather than on ground. But it was as absolute as that attained by Israel.

UK - Air International - November - 1991

" the average PAF pilot is almost certainly possessed of superior skills when compared with, say, an average American pilot. As to those who are rated above average, they compare favorably to the very best."

Encyclopaedia of Aircraft printed in several countries by Orbis publications - Volume 5

"Pakistan's air force gained a remarkable victory over India in this brief 22 day war exploiting its opponents weaknesses in exemplary style - Deeply shaken by reverse, India began an extensive modernisation and training program, meanwhile covering its defeat with effective propaganda smoke screen.

62 ? It was the Chinese.Now shut up cheerleader

Makes it okay to get owned by inferior chinese right..:lol:


In 71 you lost half your territory..and couldn't do anything even in western sector.

To a Fukin civil war thousands of miles away from mainland n that part is a country today not a region of india.. You dodged the question reguarding the indian propoganda is the other thread.. Dnt start it here now.
 
Wait so that's what happened ? Try covert operations n indian invasion and getting rapes .. Be it the worlds largest tank battle, the beating at BRB. The *** whooping in the air, the fear of losing punjab n so on .. Or the begging at UN for a ceasefire n death at Tashkent.

Here are some quotes from that time .. N from your own officers overlooking the war:

"This airforce(the PAF), is second to none"
"The air war lasted two weeks and the Pakistanis scored a
three-to-one kill ratio, knocking out 102 Russian-made Indian jets and losing thirty-four airplanes of their own. I'm certain about the figures because I went out several times a day in a chopper and counted the wrecks below." "They were really good, aggressive dogfighters and proficient in gunnery and air combat tactics. I was damned impressed. Those guys just lived and breathed flying. "


(General (Retd.) Chuck Yeager (USAF) , Book: Yeager, the
Autobiography
).

In 1965, Pakistanis really whipped India's rear end.

"Pakistan claims to have destroyed something like 1/3rd the Indian Air Force, and foreign observers, who are in a position to know say that Pakistani pilots have claimed even higher kills than this; but the Pakistani Air Force are being scrupulously honest in evaluating these claims. They are crediting Pakistan Air Force only those killings that can be checked from other sources."

Roy Meloni,
American Broadcasting Corporation
September 15, 1965.

1965 War, the Inside Story by R.D. Pradhan:

In Chapter 8 titled "Of Cowardice and Panic", the author describes the cowardice of Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad, the Indian general commanding officer in Lahore sector. When the general was fired upon by Pakistani forces, he "ran away". "On learning that, Lt. Gen. Harbakash Singh and the corps commander drove in a Jonga to the battlefront. Army commander found that the enemy (PAF) air attack had created a havoc on G.T. Road. (Indian) Vehicles were burning and several vehicles of 15 Division abandoned on the road, the drivers having run away, leaving some of the engines still running. Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad was hiding in a recently irrigated sugar cane field. As described by Harabakash Singh: "He (Prasad) came out to receive us, with his boots covered with wet mud. He had no head cover, nor was he wearing any badges of his rank. He had stubble on his face, not having shaved." Seeing him in such a stage, Harbakhash Singh asked him: "Whether he was the General Officer commanding a division or a coolie? Why had he removed badges of rank and not shaved? Niranjan Prasad had no answer."

Pradhan's book contains many different entries by Indian Defense Minister Y.B. Chavan. A Sept 9, 1965 entry reads: Had a very hard day on all fronts. Very fierce counter-attacks mounted and we are required to withdraw in Kasur area. COAS was somewhat uncertain of himself. I suggested to him that he should go in forward areas so that he will be in touch of realities. He said he would go next day.

In Line of Duty: A Soldier Remembers, Lt Gen Harbakhsh Singh reveals that not only did Gen Chowdhury play a very small role in the entire campaign, he was so nervous as to be on the verge of losing half of Punjab to Pakistan, including the city of Amritsar. Harbakhsh describes, in clinical detail, how our own offensive in the Lahore sector had come unhinged. The general commanding the division on Ichchogil canal fled in panic, leaving his jeep, its wireless running and the briefcase containing sensitive documents that were then routinely read on Radio Pakistan during the war. Singh wanted to court martial him, Chowdhury let him get away with resignation.

According to Shekhar Gupta, the editor of Indian Express, Harbkhash Singh recounts that a bigger disaster struck a bit to the south where the other division cracked up in assault, just as it encountered a bit of resistance. Several infantry battalions, short on battle inoculation, deserted and Singh gives a hair-raising account – and confirmation of a long-debated rumor – that Chowdhury panicked so badly he ordered him to withdraw to a new defensive line behind the Beas, thereby conceding half of Punjab to Pakistan. Singh describes the conversation with Chowdhury at Ambala where he refused to carry out the order, asking his chief to either put it down in writing or visit the front and take charge of the battle.

The London Daily Mirror reported in 1965:

"There is a smell of death in the burning Pakistan sun. For it was here that India's attacking forces came to a dead stop.

"During the night they threw in every reinforcement they could find. But wave after wave of attacks were repulsed by the Pakistanis"

"India", said the London Daily Times, "is being soundly beaten by a nation which is outnumbered by four and a half to one in population and three to one in size of armed forces."


In Times reporter Louis Karrar wrote:

"Who can defeat a nation which knows how to play hide and seek with death".

USA - Aviation week & space technology - December 1968 issue.

"For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli victory over the Arabs in 1967. A further similarity was that Indian air power had an approximately 5:1 numerical superiority at the start of the conflict. Unlike the Middle East conflict, the Pakistani air victory was achieved to a large degree by air-to-air combat rather than on ground. But it was as absolute as that attained by Israel.

UK - Air International - November - 1991

" the average PAF pilot is almost certainly possessed of superior skills when compared with, say, an average American pilot. As to those who are rated above average, they compare favorably to the very best."

Encyclopaedia of Aircraft printed in several countries by Orbis publications - Volume 5

"Pakistan's air force gained a remarkable victory over India in this brief 22 day war exploiting its opponents weaknesses in exemplary style - Deeply shaken by reverse, India began an extensive modernisation and training program, meanwhile covering its defeat with effective propaganda smoke screen.



Makes it okay to get owned by inferior chinese right..:lol:




To a Fukin civil war thousands of miles away from mainland n that part is a country today not a region of india.. You dodged the question reguarding the indian propoganda is the other thread.. Dnt start it here now.

Lol, what was Pak objectives? To capture Kashmir, or save Lahore.

Or what was India's objectives, to capture Lahore or relieve pressure from Kashmir. And who succeeded?
 
Lol, what was Pak objectives?
Op Gibraltar wasn't an invasion or war .. But a response for indian .... In ran of Kutch and other sectors .. It was a covert operation to instigate an insurgency in IOK.

After tht indians undeclared war n invasion of Punjab at the dead of night n the results are for all to see.

And there is a good reason 65 isn't celebrated by india .. The so called victor of 65.. :lol:
To capture Kashmir, or save Lahore.

Or what was India's objectives, to capture Lahore or relieve pressure from Kashmir. And who succeeded?

We know what indian objectives were gen prasad who ran n hid in a sugar cane field to save is rear was boasting about capturing lahore n having a drink at Lahore Gymkhana Club... Do read "In Line Of Duty: A Soldier Remembers" by your own Gen Harbaksh Singh quoted above..
 
Op Gibraltar wasn't an invasion or war .. But a response for indian .... In ran of Kutch and other sectors .. It was a covert operation to instigate an insurgency in IOK.



We know what indian objectives were gen prasad who ran n hid in a sugar cane field to save is rear was boasting about capturing lahore n having a drink at Lahore Gymkhana Club... Do read "In Line Of Duty: A Soldier Remembers" by your own Gen Harbaksh Singh quoted above..
Thats tactical plan, not strategical.

What was India's strategical objectives, why India open another front? Why? What was reason? And did India succeed in achieving its goals?
 
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