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“Thee way you sent your special envoy to Islamabad and when I was seeing him (Chinese minister) off at the Foreign Office, I said to him you could go to Delhi and you have a blank cheque from us. Whatever you say Pakistan will endorse. That is the level of trust and confidence we have in you,” said Qureshi after the new administration of US President Barack Obama listed out terms for Pakistan to receive financial aid.

Why would any country would give a blank check to other country and let them say what they want on something that is totally unrelated to them?. Qureshi's statement indicates that Pakistan is acting in a subordinate manner to China rather than an Independent country.
 
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I don't understand why you think that China would aid Pakistan without wanting something in return. China is beginning to behave like an imperialist power just like Europeans, Russians and Americans have, now that their economy needs to import raw materials. Will Chinese engineers, managers and experts be able to move about Baluchistan or FATA or NWFP without stirring up the resentment felt for foreigners? I mean, at least Americans are "people of the book". The Chinese are completely amoral and have, throughout history, been only concerned about their own welfare in their own territory, "the Kingdom of Heaven". They repress their own Muslims infinitely more than any Western nation does. Yeah maybe they will be Pakistan's "friend". But only because they think they can use you for their benefit. How much actual grant aid, not loans, will they ever give to Pakistan?

Every nation is looking after its own interst. You have to learn Pakistan's history and learn why Pakistan can trust China. Also, China is a power of Asia, Pakistan is located in Asia not in North America, so its in Pakistan's best interst to be friends with China. Pakistan and China share a border, and there has been no disputes between Pakistan and China.
Iran and China have been good neighbors to Pakistan, but China is much more trustworthy than Iran.
Knowing where Pakistan, China, and US are located in the world map, its in Pakistan's best interst to be close partners with China.
 
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Why would any country would give a blank check to other country and let them say what they want on something that is totally unrelated to them?. Qureshi's statement indicates that Pakistan is acting in a subordinate manner to China rather than an Independent country.

the answer to ur question is trust. that pak fully agree with how china will handle situation in india. y would pak fully agree? only bec we knew china would never have done anything against pak national interest. u guys might see pak acting in a subordinate manner but we dont see it that way.
 
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I don't understand why you think that China would aid Pakistan without wanting something in return. China is beginning to behave like an imperialist power just like Europeans, Russians and Americans have, now that their economy needs to import raw materials. Will Chinese engineers, managers and experts be able to move about Baluchistan or FATA or NWFP without stirring up the resentment felt for foreigners? I mean, at least Americans are "people of the book". The Chinese are completely amoral and have, throughout history, been only concerned about their own welfare in their own territory, "the Kingdom of Heaven". They repress their own Muslims infinitely more than any Western nation does. Yeah maybe they will be Pakistan's "friend". But only because they think they can use you for their benefit. How much actual grant aid, not loans, will they ever give to Pakistan?

1: its a lesson we learned from our history. china always came fwd to help pakistan.
2: its not about 'people of the book'. its about who has done more harm to muslims. china has so far got her hands clean.
3: so far its been the other way round.
4: never heard about that.
5: its not about grant. its about will they stand with us in our time of need? will they treat us as friends? so far they have proved that many times.
 
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Knowing where Pakistan, China, and US are located in the world map, its in Pakistan's best interst to be close partners with China.

Yes, I can see that. If you can keep both China and the US as friends, that would be best. That way Pakistan does not become a pawn in a great power struggle between the US and China, such as happened to many countries during the Cold War. If you can't keep both, then it does make more sense to keep the neighbor as the "best" friend. Good luck.
 
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its not about 'people of the book'. its about who has done more harm to muslims. china has so far got her hands clean.

This article was what I found most quickly, but there is a lot on the www about the repression of muslims in China's far western provinces. --TS

Jihad in China's Far West

By Austin Ramzy / Kashgar Wednesday, Aug. 06, 2008, Time.com

Kashgar is about as far as one can get from the Chinese capital of Beijing and still be in China. In fact, there is little to indicate one is still in China. Most of the people in this desert town are Uighurs, an Islamic minority group that has clashed again and again with rule of China's majority Han ethnicity. The land surround the city is brown and bare save for irrigated orchards and fruit fields. The white caps of the Pamirs loom in the distance. Women walk through the streets in headscarves, sometimes fully covered from the hot sun and blowing sand. Men wearing skull caps greet one another with handshakes and the phrase "As-Salamu 'Alaykum," Arabic for "Peace be upon you." The language of the Uighurs is closer to Turkish than Chinese, and the architecture — Islamic domes, decorative Arabic script, grape trellises — looks more to the oasis cities of Central Asia than to the east.

But the signs of Beijing's power are all around. Kashgar and the huge province of Xinjiang to which it belongs to are, by decree of the Chinese Communist Party, on Beijing time, even though geographically the city should be two hours behind the national capital. Han Chinese make up about a quarter of Kashgar's population, and markers announcing the route of the Olympic flame, which passed through here in June, line the streets. Banners hang that read, "All ethnicities hand in hand welcome the Olympics." This week, however, some locals may have decided they wanted none of Beijing's Games.

Chinese authorities say two Kashgar men, taxi driver Kurbanjan Hemit, 28, and vegetable vendor Abdurahman Azat, 33, carried out an attack on security forces in the city. The local government says the pair, who are Uighur, were driven by religious extremism to attack a group of Chinese border police, killing 16 and injuring 16 more. "They said that religious beliefs are more important than life, more important than the prosperity of their familes, even their mothers," said Shi Dagang, the Communist Party secretary for Kashgar prefecture. "They were trying their best to perform jihad." The scene of the incident: the entrance of the Yijin Hotel, a dingy yellow three-story building with reflective windows. A visit to the site a day after saw a few police milling around but nothing to give the impression that the spot was more significant than others in this highly-guarded city.

Chinese authorities claim the attack is part of a long-running effort by Uighur separatists to tarnish the Beijing Olympics. Without giving details, Shi said that a preliminary investigation found similarities between this week's attack and evidence uncovered from a raid on a Uighur separatist training camp in January 2007. "Starting from last year the East Turkestan forces at home and abroad tried sabotage and violent activities targeting the Beijing Games," Shi said, using the historic name of an independent Uighur state which some groups have hopes of restoring through violent struggle. "The East Turkestan Islamic Movement and the East Turkestan Liberation Organization are the two most active ones." Shi cited online postings that describe how to make bombs and poisons, the attempted attack on a flight from the Xinjiang capital of Urumqi in March, and unrest in Hetian (or Khotan in the Uighur language) in March. He quoted the leader of the East Turkestan Liberation Organization as saying, "The Beijing Games are our one last golden opportunity to inflict such attacks on China. Even though we know we are weak like an egg on a stone, they will try to smear the stone."

Despite the relative calm, signs of dissent were apparent. "There's a lot of things we keep in here," one Uighur shopkeeper said, tapping on my chest. He said that decades of Chinese rule had changed the mentality of his people. "We've been under a lot of pressure" he says. "For some minorities the conditions have been good, but not for us."
An old man sitting near a sign that said "Unauthorized pilgrimages are illegal religious activity," complained that the city's Han residents were given all the economic opportunities. "Do you think people are happy here? Do you see them smiling, dancing, singing? No, because they have no work," he said. He argued that the influx of Han settlers, and the authoritarian control of the Communist Party were the sources of Uighur anger. "Why are people unhappy? Because power is in control of the Communist Party."

Jihad in China's Far West - TIME
 
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Yes, I can see that. If you can keep both China and the US as friends, that would be best. That way Pakistan does not become a pawn in a great power struggle between the US and China, such as happened to many countries during the Cold War. If you can't keep both, then it does make more sense to keep the neighbor as the "best" friend. Good luck.

US as friends ( no way )

Look what US has done to its friends ( betrayed them in every possible manner )

General Ayub Khan said something that goes like this : Being enemies of United States is a disaster, but being friends with United States is Suicide.
 
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This article was what I found most quickly, but there is a lot on the www about the repression of muslims in China's far western provinces. --TS

Jihad in China's Far West


Jihad in China's Far West - TIME

yes we are aware of this but recently china have been investing a lot in this area of their country and its their desire to somehow solve the problems of these ppl.
also this cannot be compared with wat happened in iraq and afghanistan and wats happenin in palestine.
 
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Yes, I can see that. If you can keep both China and the US as friends, that would be best. That way Pakistan does not become a pawn in a great power struggle between the US and China, such as happened to many countries during the Cold War. If you can't keep both, then it does make more sense to keep the neighbor as the "best" friend. Good luck.


Yes I agree. Pakistan should be close friends with both U.S. and China, but dont make Pakistan chose and dont hurt Pakistan's friends.


Long Live American-Chinese-Pakistani friendship :usflag::china::pakistan:
 
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Yeah China wants something in return @ truthseeker...see blow

We Will Give China :enjoy:Energy resources while u Americans eat **** in rest of the world..Sorry U won't get what you want from us thanks!
 
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Yes I agree. Pakistan should be close friends with both U.S. and China, but dont make Pakistan chose and dont hurt Pakistan's friends.


Long Live American-Chinese-Pakistani friendship :usflag::china::pakistan:

with obama comin in, im quite optimistic
 
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Seriously people this is nothing to be happy about all this thread is saying really is we don't need their aid not because our economy is doing well but coz we have the option to take our begging bowl to china instead .
I'd only be happy if you said no need of U.S aid coz our foreign reserves were back up and economy was booming not coz we can go to china.Whether it's china instead of the U.S it makes no difference were still depending on somebody else it's not any better just coz we're friends -the point is it's shameful for us to have to even ask for aid period !
I have to agree with araz and beetel we have to drop this save our butt mentality and learn to stand on our own two feet.
 
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Every nation is looking after its own interst. You have to learn Pakistan's history and learn why Pakistan can trust China. Also, China is a power of Asia, Pakistan is located in Asia not in North America, so its in Pakistan's best interst to be friends with China. Pakistan and China share a border, and there has been no disputes between Pakistan and China.
Iran and China have been good neighbors to Pakistan, but China is much more trustworthy than Iran.
Knowing where Pakistan, China, and US are located in the world map, its in Pakistan's best interst to be close partners with China.

What will happen if China develops good strategic and economic relationship with India in future. Who would have thought in Ronald Reagan administration that US will sell F-16, F-18 and will offer f-35 to India.
I agree with Araz and other members, instead of saying we don't need US Pakistan can say we don't need anyone and we are strong enough to take care of ourselves.
 
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Take the aid, start building schools... thats where the revolution and change in Pakistan will come from. When U.S. asks.. say what aid?

We need to stop taking U.S. money and giving them back to get their weapons.
 
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