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We have different culture and practices and there is no right and wrong in the universe just human perception. But your version sounds cool too. :)

There is absolutely right and wrong.

Good and evil.

Light and dark.

Mithra and Ahriman.

Humata Hukhta Hvrashta

Good Thoughts Good Words Good Deeds

Could not be, without

Bad Thoughts Bad Words Bad Deeds

A man will be judged by his net total of both.

Cheers, Doc
 
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There is absolutely right and wrong.

Good and evil.

Light and dark.

Mithra and Ahriman.

Humata Hukhta Hvrashta

Good Thoughts Good Words Good Deeds

Could not be, without

Bad Thoughts Bad Words Bad Deeds

A man will be judged by his net total of both.

Cheers, Doc
Not our culture man. That's abrahamics faiths.
 
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@Oscar @Slav Defence @WebMaster @waz If you people do not either curb this "bro" or disable/ban me I'll reply in the manner that I used to, which you did not like. therefore I request that you either control him or openly tell me to feck off by disabling my account or give me a free run like he is given

I second your post. Mods need to take care of this troll.

Pakistanis also have 100% right to comment on every thread in this forum without being abused and forced to defend A-Z criticisms of Pakistan by random posters.

bangladesh is better ,that's why you are jealous .
you talk about points above , are you not in the same condition ?
is pakistan better than bangladesh ? , why are you in england ? why pakistanis are entering europe, gulf, america, australia illegally ? why every country is deporting pakistanis in lakhs ? why your passport is third from bottom.?



urdu speaking biharis are pakistanis , they fought for pakistan forces in 1971 , this is duty of pakistan to give them citizenship ,they are still living in UN camps .you can not wash your hands off from them. punjabis ,sindis,pashtuns living in east pakistan were taken back ,why not biharis ?

Completely off topic.

Debate the issue, not attack the poster.
 
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Thx to Indian govt and its army for their invaluable support in 71.
Yes, thanks to India. But you should also be cautious when to give thanks. Certainly not the time when they claim ''we gave you freedom'' , ''we made Bangladesh'', ''we gave birth Bangladesh'', ''you should not forget .....'' etc. If any Bangladeshi do not dispute these claim and still give thanks, then he/she is insulting our freedom fighters, our 24 years long agitation and preparation for independence.

I find it very distasteful that some Awami Leaguers almost fell to the feet of Indians when they express their gratitude towards India for 1971 help. What India did in 1971 was for it's own geo-political interests. If anyone want to deny it, then he is living in a fool's paradise. There is no denying that India benefitted immensely from Bangladesh's independence, more than what they sacrificed for our liberation war. So, they should also be grateful towards Bangladesh and it's freedom fighters. Do you agree?
 
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Keep these jamati nonsense to urself.

But, If u meant that by dividing BD, Indian army saved innocent bengalis from getting slaughtered by barbaric pak army then its OK.

Thx to Indian govt and its army for their invaluable support in 71.



Pls ignore the comments made by jamatis. They don't represent BD.

It is not possible for the more than 50% Bangladeshis fed up with Hasina to be Jamat e Islami.

This is a cop out to not deal with the real issue of discontent with BAL.

BNP supporters or anti-BAL people are just as Bangladeshi as anyone else.
 
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Yes, thanks to India. But you should also be cautious when to give thanks. Certainly not the time when they claim ''we gave you freedom'' , ''we made Bangladesh'', ''we gave birth Bangladesh'', ''you should not forget .....'' etc. If any Bangladeshi do not dispute these claim and still give thanks, then he/she is insulting our freedom fighters, our 24 years long agitation and preparation for independence.
Very well said . It's not only the voice of India , but it's also the voice of Jamtis too , as jamatis spread the propaganda that our Independence is a gift of India , and without India we would never become free. It's a dirty trick from Jamatis that already devoured BNP guys who were actually soft right wingers ( contrary to AL mild left wing politics ) , but because the continuous propaganda of Jamati Islam peoples are divided now . I do not think that @Skies is a jamati , but unfortunately Jamati islami already left a deep impact by such propaganda . When peoples suffer from insecurity for their culture , their religion , and feel that their ideology is under threat , then peoples become defensive and keep blaming others . So basically it's not their fault , but it was the result of the propaganda machine .

So I believe finally Jamati propaganda is tamed , and now it's time to tame leftist aka pseudo secular propaganda , against Bangladesh by fifth columnist , ( I am talking about Chetona cult) that necessarily link everything to Pakistan ( contrary to jamati propaganda machine that link everything to India ) , and that cause agitation in the country . Although I say that this is AL holy FF and Rajakar maker machine , in reality it is just fifth columnist machine that took AL side . In general both AL and BNP are same team with some different ideology and that is interchangeable , and this slight difference is actually the key to success of democracy IMHO . But jamat successfully devour the BNP of Ziaur Rahman.
However after taming another side ( already jamat is tamed ) , I think Bangladesh will be elevated in near future . If we want to be a developed nation , we have to act as unit . This left right devidation is artificial so I wish we are going to recover soon after taming the foul fifth columnists .
These two groups have divided and ruled Bangladesh since 20-25 years .

It is not possible for the more than 50% Bangladeshis fed up with Hasina to be Jamat e Islami.

This is a cop out to not deal with the real issue of discontent with BAL.

BNP supporters or anti-BAL people are just as Bangladeshi as anyone else.
Do not be deceived by jamat bro . They were against the creation of Pakistan too in 1947 . So do not consider jamat as friend of pakistan , only because in 1971 they opposed the creation of Bangladesh .

However , In Bangladesh now people are tagging everyone as Jamati who oppose Hasina , it's a cult too like jamat once spread a cult . Now after taming the cult , I believe that cordial relationship between bangladesh and pakistan will restore again . Jamati cult and chetona cult ( anti Pakistani cult ) both are equally bad and that actually divide and rule method by two groups .

Both are militant , jamat is Militant Islamic cult , and the opposition ( not necessarily AL, but tried to devour AL ) is pseudo secular militant group . Both are equally bad .
 
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Yes, thanks to India. But you should also be cautious when to give thanks. Certainly not the time when they claim ''we gave you freedom'' , ''we made Bangladesh'', ''we gave birth Bangladesh'', ''you should not forget .....'' etc. If any Bangladeshi do not dispute these claim and still give thanks, then he/she is insulting our freedom fighters, our 24 years long agitation and preparation for independence.

I find it very distasteful that some Awami Leaguers almost fell to the feet of Indians when they express their gratitude towards India for 1971 help. What India did in 1971 was for it's own geo-political interests. If anyone want to deny it, then he is living in a fool's paradise. There is no denying that India benefitted immensely from Bangladesh's independence, more than what they sacrificed for our liberation war. So, they should also be grateful towards Bangladesh and it's freedom fighters. Do you agree?

Without rancour, on this issue of ego about giving credit which incidentally has never been demanded on any official platform, I ask you a simple question,

Yes you guys fought and struggled.

Yes we split you for our own interests.

Without India would you have been flying a Bangladeshi or a Pakistani flag today on PDF?

I know either way, I would still have been flying an Indian one.

You're welcome.

Cheers, Doc
 
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Just balancing and moderating....I went all out for a bit too long and didn't really enjoy it all that much in the end at all (Esp what I was becoming, which was not me). The real poignant criticisms were losing their lustre as well etc (when I prefer those to stay sharp and honed).

Also this forum needs to have better equivalent standards for all nationalities and all members (and it is eternally searching for it still)....otherwise what ended up happening is people start to undermine (what I feel I stand for) by thinking my loud focus in one area and (enforced) silence in another...means I can be directed and used at their whim and fancy and even for larger arguments (against even my own country and its interests in the end). I abhor being used by others (like some instrument of hate) to try prove a totally foreign unrelated argument.

Till I see change in this forum's de facto policies (whatever it says de jure) and common standards (as close as can be given the wide range of memberships and ideas presented for that) for all, I am not going to deploy my time and arguments in any more lopsided spread for that simply to be abused by nefarious forces here. If it achieves such, I will be glad to again dive in deeply to start poking around at the raison d'etre kind of stuff (but again I would need to be afforded that same opportunity for other countries too and see it present for everyone in some equivalent way...not just BD).

How it may all manifest to another as sudden love or hate for something compared to before, is not really my concern anymore.

Suffice to say, I never had any real hate for BD (as something larger past a few despicable members here), in fact I have no real hate for any country in the world (at large).....just I was foolish (in hindsight) to think I could wait out the rest of the forum to evolve into a fairer environment (somewhat like found here)...... and thus practiced my craft here in the interim in anticipation of that. But it never came, so I similarly see no point in continuing....heck 2019 I made my peace with @padamchen too since that was really a sapping affair as well for me....again because I over-commited to some assumptions (this time on my side).

All those that need to be chastised here (in this subforum), have been so...all those that have proven themselves to be credible opponents have similarly earned my respect...basically its about the best result I could hope for in the end given the circumstances.

There is not much left to be done in the earlier combat strategy I used....it has evolved now (I have a transitioning set of objectives as well)....and I really wont be looking back....not till the environment actually changes anyway ...to better allow for it everywhere (and fairly) and not just here....but that is beyond my control.

@Joe Shearer @VCheng @I.R.A @Game.Invade


Excellently put! As I said elsewhere, a little re-calibration is all that is needed and you will be at peace, just like I am. :D
 
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I do not think that @Skies is a jamati , but unfortunately Jamati islami already left a deep impact by such propaganda .

I am not Jamati. But, as much as I hate AL, I prefer them as an antidote to AL dalals and their chetona and lies, and to the social and moral degeneration caused by AL, which is manifested in the every walk of life today.

I have no problem with Jamat until they are democratic, just like I have no problem with leftists/communists until they are democratic. I have no problem with Islamic or secular BD if it is decided by fair democracy.

Also I claim that India started to work for the creation of BD long before 71. BD is completely dictated by India today. But BD's scope to grow as an economically prosperous country is good. I think BNP should make it clear that either BNP or Jamat will not do anything against India like supporting insurgency in India. Because, doing so will make BD ruled by AL. BD is too tiny to do anything against India and be suffered economically.

Also I believe that the reason of 71 was not ideological mainly, but a fight for political rights and against economical discrimination (but the allegation of high magnitude of economical discrimination is still debatable).

I denounce Pakistan for starting killing unarmed people from the 25th March night, and for not choosing a political solution instead of war.
 
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I am not Jamati. But, as much as I hate AL, I prefer them as an antidote to AL dalals and their chetona and lies, and to the social and moral degeneration caused by AL, which is manifested in the every walk of life today.

I have no problem with Jamat until they are democratic, just like I have no problem with leftists/communists until they are democratic. I have no problem with Islamic or secular BD if it is decided by fair democracy.

Also I claim that India started to work for the creation of BD long before 71. BD is completely dictated by India today. But BD's scope to grow as an economically prosperous country is good. I think BNP should make it clear that either BNP or Jamat will not do anything against India like supporting insurgency in India. Because, doing so will make BD ruled by AL. BD is too tiny to do anything against India and be suffered economically.

Also I believe that the reason of 71 was not ideological mainly, but a fight for political rights and against economical discrimination (but the allegation of high magnitude of economical discrimination is still debatable).

I denounce Pakistan for starting killing unarmed people from the 25th March night, and for not choosing a political solution instead of war.
Cool man :D, I did not say that I have any problem with Islamic parties . jamat is not pure Islamic party , but it's actually militant party and it believes in political Islam , and I have problem with Militant Islamic party !

They used to provide fatwa, that democracy and female leadership is Haram, and later they have done the two Haram things, and still doing Lol . I call it Munafiq nature , not Islamic !

And about 71 I am also positive , and support you . And also do not think that we still need to remeber the 47 years old incident , we must move on .
And do not worry , chetona is not actually AL product but now it will no longer needed . Chetona was actually a counter to militant preaching of BNP jamat stuffs like Al is hindu etc etc ( মনে আছে মসজিদে উলু ধবনি হবে , মেয়েদের সিঁদুর পরতে বাধ্য করা হবে এই সব প্রোপাগান্ডা?এটার বিরুদ্ধেই আওয়ামী লীগের দেশ পাকিস্তান হয়ে যাবে এসসব থিওরীর উদ্ভব , আপনি সিউর থাকেন ভাই !) Now I think chetona cult will be dead automatically . If you look carefully AL did not name Pakistan after this victory by rigging ? Soon the card will be obsolete , it's a demand of time . Our PM Hasina is more intelligent than you and me , that's why she is prime minister , and we are debating here ;) .
So cool , and peace , I have no problem with your thoughts , and I believe other than 5% BNP jamat and AL cult members , actually all bangladeshi are almost same minded.

I just do not want Jamati militancy ! Thanks and peace !

@Skies
 
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( মনে আছে মসজিদে উলু ধবনি হবে , মেয়েদের সিঁদুর পরতে বাধ্য করা হবে এই সব প্রোপাগান্ডা?এটার বিরুদ্ধেই আওয়ামী লীগের দেশ পাকিস্তান হয়ে যাবে এসসব থিওরীর উদ্ভব , আপনি সিউর থাকেন ভাই !)

Well I despise the nonconstructive hatred of Jamat against India.
 
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Yes, thanks to India. But you should also be cautious when to give thanks. Certainly not the time when they claim ''we gave you freedom'' , ''we made Bangladesh'', ''we gave birth Bangladesh'', ''you should not forget .....'' etc. If any Bangladeshi do not dispute these claim and still give thanks, then he/she is insulting our freedom fighters, our 24 years long agitation and preparation for independence.

I find it very distasteful that some Awami Leaguers almost fell to the feet of Indians when they express their gratitude towards India for 1971 help. What India did in 1971 was for it's own geo-political interests. If anyone want to deny it, then he is living in a fool's paradise. There is no denying that India benefitted immensely from Bangladesh's independence, more than what they sacrificed for our liberation war. So, they should also be grateful towards Bangladesh and it's freedom fighters. Do you agree?

Your words are worth more than their weight in GOLD! Kudos! :cheers:

Well I despise the nonconstructive hatred of Jamat against India.

Geopolitics is a far more complicated game than everyone imagines....

What if I told you Jamaat is being used by the BJP-led Govt. in India to leverage their influence in Bangladesh against Hasina.

Would RAW complain if this was effective? Think...
 
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What if I told you Jamaat is being used by the BJP-led Govt. in India to leverage their influence in Bangladesh against Hasina.
Umm it's not impossible as if Mosad can use ISIS , CIA can use Taliban and Al Qayeda , then Raw can also use Jamat , it's not impossible . But the problem is when Jamat used to say all those stuffs , that Time in India congress was in power, not BJP !
However you have a good point , intelligence agencies of any country can do such work ,actually I will be surprised if they ( any intelligence agencies )will not take such opportunity ! As it ( espionage works) is very common from the very beginning of Human history , but most of times common peoples even can not imagine about it !
 
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Umm it's not impossible as if Mosad can use ISIS , CIA can use Taliban and Al qayeda , then Raw can also use Jamat , it's not impossible . But the problem is when Jamat used to say all those stuffs , that Time in India congress was in power !
However you have good a point , intelligence agencies of any country can do such work ,actually I will be surprised if they ( any intelligence agencies ) if they will not take such opportunity ! As it ( espionage works) is very common from the very beginning of Human history , but most of times common peoples even can not imagine about it !

Bhai common people can only imagine what they have been fed through the local and foreign media. That's why local leaders are afraid of journalists so much. The journalists know everything - and sometimes get bold about blackmailing leaders too.

How many journalists have gone missing locally in the last couple of years? How many do we even know about -when the govt. knows how to control the media?

Does Sagar-Runi murder ring a bell for anyone?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sagar_Sarowar_and_Meherun_Runi
 
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