'No deal' with China, Tin shed at Chumar removed

[ShahidT]

No deal with China, says Salman Khurshid; India removed tin shed at Chumar
Shubhajit Roy : New Delhi, Thu May 09 2013, 08:40 hrs

Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid with MoS, PMO, V Narayanasamy at Parliament on Wednesday.


A tin shed structure put up by the Indian troops at Chumar area in Ladakh, three days after the Chinese incursion in Depsang, was the bargaining chip that led to a resolution between the two countries.

Sources said the Indian side started building the structure around the time that Foreign Secretary Ranjan Mathai called Chinese ambassador Wei Wei on April 18 to his South Block office to put forward India's demand to "restore the status quo" prior to the incursion. The tin shelter was located about 7-8 km ahead of India's most forward permanent structure in the area. China claims the site as its territory, while Delhi claims otherwise.

Mathai decided to call in the Chinese envoy after the Chinese government, under the joint working mechanism, gave "vague" and "non-credible" responses to MEA Joint Secretary Gautam Bambawale. While Mathai and Bambawale made over 25 calls in three weeks, Indian ambassador to China S Jaishankar told Chinese officials that the incident "will affect bilateral relations", sources said.

Jaishankar met the Chinese side at least thrice to convey Delhi's message for restoring status quo. However, New Delhi never threatened to cancel Chinese premier Li Keqiang's visit slated for May 19.

When the Chinese troops dismantled their tents on May 5, the Indian side too removed their tin shed structure. Sources said status quo was confirmed at the flag meeting on May 6 and the arrangement was confirmed to South Block on May 7. However, the Indian troops will continue to patrol the Chumar area.

External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid on Wednesday said there was "no deal" between India and China for ending the 21-day stand-off. "No deals in international levels... we do not do deals at this level," he said. laughcry

Asked about his visit to China starting May 9, Khurshid said, "We will talk about the future, and our leadership is committed towards that and the great things India and China can and must do together." He is expected to call on Chinese State Councillor Yang Jiechi among others.

New Delhi believes that the recent incursion implies that the new Chinese leadership wants to bring the border issue to the forefront. A section of the establishment also feels that it is linked to the proposed border defence cooperation agreement, on which India is yet to take a stand.

Though the Chinese motive behind the incursion remains a mystery, India noted two curious things. First, the Chinese tents were put up without a support system and, second, their responses were "not coordinated". This led New Delhi to describe the incident as a "localised" affair.

I don't know why some people keep going on about some "tin shed".

 

[illusion8]

That should put to rest all speculations - @Secur, @ChinaToday, @Chinese-Dragon - etc etc.

 

[ShahidT]

 

[Pulsar]

That's what I call, 'tin-shed diplomacy'!!

Imagine, a darn tin shed has the potential to precipitate an international crisis!!

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Of course the Indian government would say that. They don't want to look weak after a bunch of foreign soldiers set up camp 20 km within their territory for several weeks.

Here is what international sources say:

India agrees to some Chinese demands to end Himalaya standoff | Reuters

(Reuters) - India has agreed to a Chinese demand to demolish bunkers near their de facto border in the Himalayas, Indian military officials said, as part of a deal to end a standoff that threatened to scupper slowly improving relations.

Indian and Chinese soldiers faced off 100 meters (330 feet) apart on a plateau near the Karakoram mountain range, where they fought a war 50 years ago, for three weeks until they reached a deal on Sunday for both sides to withdrew.

The tension had threatened to overshadow a visit by the Indian foreign minister to Beijing on May 9. China's Premier Li Keqiang is expected to visit India later this month.

Bunkers are being destroyed on the LAC. So not only did the Indian government withdraw, but they also demolished the bunkers.

 

[faithfulguy]

Either Salman Khurshid is lying through his teeth, or the international press corps is totally incompetent.

I would bet on Khurshid is lying. He is one person. The press corp usually verify the facts. And by looking at what Khurshid said, he only confirmed that the tin shed was removed. He never denied that the bunkers were dismantled. The dismantling of the bunkers were never part of the deal even though they were dismantled. Only the tin shed were part of the deal. The rest were "under the table" face saving arrangements for India.

 

[Srinivas]

Ask your CCP to do the face saving for violating border agreement and then back tracking.

Either Salman Khurshid is lying through his teeth, or the international press corps is totally incompetent.

I would bet on Khurshid is lying. He is one person. The press corp usually verify the facts. And by looking at what Khurshid said, he only confirmed that the tin shed was removed. He never denied that the bunkers were dismantled. The dismantling of the bunkers were never part of the deal even though they were dismantled. Only the tin shed were part of the deal. The rest were "under the table" face saving arrangements for India.

 

[isro2222]

@beijingwalker (bit off topic so extremely sorry about it) i saw you have opened a thread on india and gave headline born on same day to die.... Are you chinese? If you are than i hope you know how much is 330 million to half billion.... Yes thats the number of kids china killed. india kills girls but china is fair.... China kills both girls and boys.... When u live in glass house than do not throw stones on other house....
More Than 300 Million Abortions In China Under One-Child Policy: Ministry
China Performed 336 Million Abortions Since 1971
130,000 Forced Abortions in China, Chen Guangcheng Tells Congress
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@on topic. China wants anurachal pradesh.... But couldnt take it. China came and wrote its chinese land.... india warned them to leave. China left their own land.... What is the use of military upgrading when u cant use one? came and runaway and now cheerleaders trying to save face.... But even paid ones having trouble to turn it around. india did well to kick the chinese cheerleaders out of their own land. Thats what i call real power....

 

[beijingwalker]

@beijingwalker (bit off topic so extremely sorry about it) i saw you have opened a thread on india and gave headline born on same day to die.... Are you chinese? If you are than i hope you know how much is 330 million to half billion.....

that pure western propaganda,however,most Chinese believe that family plan is a very good policy,it helps to curb the country's population and channel more resources for improving the quality of the people.the result justifys the means.Chinese people are very result oriented and we don't like to have millions of babies born into slums and never get a chance to have a decent education and health care.compared to what happened and are happening in India,China adopted a very smart policy on population issue.this policy,together with some other policies,brought China to what we are now while India still be stagnant.

 

[illusion8]

that pure western propaganda,however,most Chinese believe that family plan is a very good policy,it helps to curb the country's population and channel more resources for improving the quality of the people.the result justifys the means.Chinese people are very result oriented and we don't like to have millions of babies born into slums and never get a chance to have a decent education and health care.compared to what happened and are happening in India,China adopted a very smart policy on population issue.this policy,together with some other policies,brought China to what we are now while India still be stagnant.

That's impinging on one's personal rights and wish - does not happen in a free country.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Of course the Indian government would say that. They don't want to look weak after a bunch of foreign soldiers set up camp 20 km within their territory for several weeks.

Here is what international sources say:

India agrees to some Chinese demands to end Himalaya standoff | Reuters



Bunkers are being destroyed on the LAC. So not only did the Indian government withdraw, but they also demolished the bunkers.

It was some Indian military officials who talked about some bunkers being demolished at Chumar sector . The foreign minister is saying it was a tin shed structure in the same sector.

Ofcourse , the Chinese would like to believe it was bunkers at Chumar that were demolished. The Indians would like to believe it was just a tin shed.

Whatever it is in reality , the whole thing finally came to a peaceful end without any side having to lose anything. The infrastructure building at the LAC by India shall continue as planned.

P.S- the Indian govt. was always ready to withdraw once the Chinese withdrew. That's what happened

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Either Salman Khurshid is lying through his teeth, or the international press corps is totally incompetent.

I would bet on Khurshid is lying. He is one person. The press corp usually verify the facts. And by looking at what Khurshid said, he only confirmed that the tin shed was removed. He never denied that the bunkers were dismantled. The dismantling of the bunkers were never part of the deal even though they were dismantled. Only the tin shed were part of the deal. The rest were "under the table" face saving arrangements for India.

He's the spokesperson of GOI. And India is not like China...if the govt. fibs, IT WILL COME OUT, under all circumstances the media will dig it out, espcially because this is a high profile event. The political cost of something like that is too high. Hell they (the media) knew everything that happened in the flag meetings, you think they'll not find out something as big as this? I think the reuters report is some vague generalization based on hearsay.

 

[beijingwalker]

That's impinging on one's personal rights and wish - does not happen in a free country.

we have different cultures,Oriental cultures care more about common good and collective well being always comes before the individuals,people are always ready to make personal sacrifice for the interest of the majority,that is what Confucianim's taught oriental people for thousands of years.

 

[illusion8]

we have different cultures,Oriental cultures care more about common good and collective well being always comes before the individuals,people are always ready to make personal sacrifice for the interest of the majority,that is what Confucianim's taught oriental people for thousands of years.

1.3 billion of them? in tune and in step to make sacrifices together for the community? I don't think that's ever possible without someone making them do it forcefully - if true it means there's no sense of individuality or appreciation of one's freedom and a willingness to fulfill one's wish in such a huge group of humanity or even voice it - simply unbelievable. And, in the most extraordinary of situations that this is true that people do it out of their own free will which I am certain that it isn't (because I cannot get a small group of 4 people to agree to the same thing all at once) then I don't know what to say.

 

[beijingwalker]

1.3 billion of them? in tune and in step to make sacrifices together for the community? I don't think that's ever possible without someone making them do it forcefully - if true it means there's no sense of individuality or appreciation of one's freedom and a willingness to fulfill one's wish in such a huge group of humanity or even voice it - simply unbelievable. And, in the most extraordinary of situations that this is true that people do it out of their own free will which I am certain that it isn't (because I cannot get a small group of 4 people to agree to the same thing all at once) then I don't know what to say.

I didnt say every person,I mean by and large,the general culture,you can also see that trait in war time Japan or sometime in Korea,which are also influenced by this culture.I will say it's easier to persuade Asians to make personal sacrifices than you can do that with westerners.in China its always the result justifys the means.