Nisar hits out at 'secular' political opponents

[HAIDER]

Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan lashed out at political opponents, reassuring his supporters that he stands opposed to those who are "secular" or "non-believing".

He was addressing a gathering of supporters on Saturday in Saroba, Punjab.

"Some political parties criticise me for raising my voice for the principles of Islam. If you are proud of being secular; of being non-believers, then I am proud of to be pro-Islam," he remarked, inviting a round of applause from his supporters.

"I will also support all those people who, in light of their religion (Islam), are wrongly criticised or accused," he added.

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"If you go out with a beer, you are unlikely to come across good people. These days, there is no differentiation between Halal and Haraam; only money talks, power talks," he said.

Zooming out of local politics, Nisar said; "The source of terrorism is the West considering every bearded man and hijab-wearing woman as being a terrorist. Unless the West changes this attitude, there will be no control over terrorism."

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"I am a straight talker. I talk straight even with my own party leadership," he said.

"I have been in politics for 35 years and many times, people have tried to buy me by offering me different positions. With the grace of God, I never sold out," he passionately said.

"People these days campaigning for 'change'; do not listen to them," he said, referring to his political opponents.

"If on your left and right hand side are the same people who have destroyed the country, what change do you seek to bring?" he asked.
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[HAIDER]

Now we have mullah without beard ...

 

[Vazir]

Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan lashed out at political opponents, reassuring his supporters that he stands opposed to those who are "secular" or "non-believing".

That's cute.

"Some political parties criticise me for raising my voice for the principles of Islam. If you are proud of being secular; of being non-believers, then I am proud of to be pro-Islam," he remarked, inviting a round of applause from his supporters.

Genius guy, doesn't know the difference between Islam and Islamism.

"I will also support all those people who, in light of their religion (Islam), are wrongly criticised or accused," he added.

Go ahead and break the Mullah culture, then.

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You mean the snowflakes who don't have self control?

"If you go out with a beer, you are unlikely to come across good people. These days, there is no differentiation between Halal and Haraam; only money talks, power talks," he said.

Ironic, coming from N League.

Zooming out of local politics, Nisar said; "The source of terrorism is the West considering every bearded man and hijab-wearing woman as being a terrorist. Unless the West changes this attitude, there will be no control over terrorism."

That's old news, sir. Why are we repeating the obvious?

"I am a straight talker. I talk straight even with my own party leadership," he said.

"I have been in politics for 35 years and many times, people have tried to buy me by offering me different positions. With the grace of God, I never sold out," he passionately said.

Then what are you doing in N league?

"People these days campaigning for 'change'; do not listen to them," he said, referring to his political opponents.

Better to accept that we have problems that need fixing instead of living in clouds.

"If on your left and right hand side are the same people who have destroyed the country, what change do you seek to bring?" he asked.
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I'll agree with you there, sir. Blame the game.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

"I have been in politics for 35 years and many times, people have tried to buy me by offering me different positions. With the grace of God, I never sold out," he passionately said.

So he's basically confirmed the massive level of corruption in PMLN, why would he set himself apart from the rest of his party unless he wanted to challenge for leadership or something?

"People these days campaigning for 'change'; do not listen to them," he said, referring to his political opponents.

This is ridiculous, Pakistan has many issues and none of them can be addressed without 'change'. You cant do the same thing for decades like PMLN have done and expect different results everytime.

 

[Vapnope]

Its 21st century people and yet honorable minister can't differentiate b/w being secular and being Islamist. No wonder the country is in such an array.

 

[Luffy 500]

Secularist are a cancer in the muslim world. It is need of the hour to declare secularism and liberalism as seperate religions. These modern day hypocrites hide behind Muslim label while they propagate the kufr of secularism and cause corruption in the land. They should be officially recognized for what they are - non-muslims espousing a pagan western religion.

Genius guy, doesn't know the difference between Islam and Islamism.

What in the world is islamism Einstein? Can't you do any better than regurgitating terms and narratives coined by the secular liberal west? Do you people have a mind of your own or what?

Go study what it means to be a Muslims and what Islam stands for. It is a holistic way of life covering every issue effecting human civilization. Islam is NOT catholic Christianity and neither is it necessary for the Muslim world to "ape west's trauma with Christianity" just to sooth the superiority complex of secular westerners and their eastern bootlickers.

Its 21st century people and yet honorable minister can't differentiate b/w being secular and being Islamist. No wonder the country is in such an array.

What in the world is an "islamist"? Please tell?

 

[Vazir]

Secularist are a cancer in the muslim world. It is need of the hour to declare secularism and liberalism as seperate religions. These modern day hypocrites hide behind Muslim label while they propagate the kufr of secularism and cause corruption in the land. They should be officially recognized for what they are - non-muslims espousing a pagan western religion.

*Puts on a tin foil hat*
Sure, sure. These liberals and secularists, backed by Rothschilds and Illuminati, wants to destroy Islamic Governments and conquer the Islamic World. We must fight back!

What in the world is islamism Einstein? Can't you do any better than regurgitating terms and narratives coined by the secular liberal west? Do you people have a mind of your own or what?

Somebody teach him how to use Google. It's a term in English, so the West must've come up with that. A good thing they differentiated between Islam and Islamism, though.

Go study what it means to be a Muslims and what Islam stands for. It is a holistic way of life covering every issue effecting human civilization. Islam is NOT catholic Christianity and neither is it necessary for the Muslim world to "ape west's trauma with Christianity" just to sooth the superiority complex of secular westerners and their eastern bootlickers.

Aye. And I'm not happy to see zealots hijacking it for their political needs.

What in the world is an "islamist"? Please tell?

Not your personal Google. Go check yourself.

 

[Luffy 500]

*Puts on a tin foil hat*
Sure, sure. These liberals and secularists, backed by Rothschilds and Illuminati, wants to destroy Islamic Governments and conquer the Islamic World. We must fight back!




Somebody teach him how to use Google. It's a term in English, so the West must've come up with that. A good thing they differentiated between Islam and Islamism, though.


Aye. And I'm not happy to see zealots hijacking it for their political needs.


Not your personal Google. Go check yourself.

NO I do NOT believe in conpiracy theories. You are the one who seem to be ignorant enough to jump to conclusions about matters you have 0 absolute 0 idea off.

Yes there is google BUT it does NOT help when the one typing it is intellectually colonized and too lazy to even check out the meaning of ASH-HADU ANLA ELAHA ILLA-ALLAH WA ASH-HADU ANNA MOHAMMADAN RASUL-ALLAH. Please go check the term Islamism. It was first coined in the 17th century by post- enlightened europeans to describe Islam. Islam did NOT fit their definition of religion (which according to them is suppose to be mere superficial rituals & ultimately irrelevant) but rather to them it seemed like something that permeates all aspect of life like a political ideology and a way of life. SO they coined the term "islamism" similar to "capitalism", "communism" etc etc. For them Islam with its holistic nature can not be a mere religion. And 200 years later growing up in a post-colonial paradigm you are regurgitating the same western terms and narratives about the Islam & muslims, thinking you are some sort of an intellectual aping the white european.

 

[Vazir]

NO I do NOT believe in conpiracy theories. You are the one who seem to be ignorant enough to jump to conclusions about matters you have 0 absolute 0 idea off.

:yawn:

Yes there is google BUT it does NOT help when the one typing it is intellectually colonized and too lazy to even check out the meaning of ASH-HADU ANLA ELAHA ILLA-ALLAH WA ASH-HADU ANNA MOHAMMADAN RASUL-ALLAH.

I don't know why you're acting like I'm not Muslim. Beats me.

Please go check the term Islamism. It was first coined in the 17th century by post-enlightened europeans to describe Islam.

I don't care about origins. The present is what means to me.

Islam did NOT fit their definition of religion (which according to them is suppose to be mere superficial rituals & ultimately irrelevant) but rather to them it seemed like something that permeates all aspect of life like a political ideology and a way of life. SO they coined the term "islamism" similar to "capitalism", "communism" etc etc. For them Islam with its holistic nature can not be a mere religion. And 200 years later growing up in a post-colonial paradigm you are regurgitating the same western terms and narratives about the Islam & muslims, thinking you are some sort of an intellectual aping the white european.

Time for a lesson. "Islam" is a religion, my religion. "Islamism" is a political ideology, not my political ideology (I'm just fine and dandy with centrism). I don't see why you can't understand that, but it may have something to do with your refusal to consider. I don't know of a cure for that, but if I do find out, I'll let ya know.

 

[TheLahoriGuy]

Secularist are a cancer in the muslim world. It is need of the hour to declare secularism and liberalism as seperate religions. These modern day hypocrites hide behind Muslim label while they propagate the kufr of secularism and cause corruption in the land. They should be officially recognized for what they are - non-muslims espousing a pagan western religion.



What in the world is islamism Einstein? Can't you do any better than regurgitating terms and narratives coined by the secular liberal west? Do you people have a mind of your own or what?

Go study what it means to be a Muslims and what Islam stands for. It is a holistic way of life covering every issue effecting human civilization. Islam is NOT catholic Christianity and neither is it necessary for the Muslim world to "ape west's trauma with Christianity" just to sooth the superiority complex of secular westerners and their eastern bootlickers.



What in the world is an "islamist"? Please tell?

LOL youre the second person today who has shown this amount of salt literally towards two terms which are supposedly a label reserved to the kuffar and murtad ? Could you please describe what is liberalism ? And okay lets take your suggestion as label liberalism as a seperate religion then what would you want to do to these new "apostates". We all know what your opinion would be. And anyone who would disagree would be a kafir and liberal according to your standards. Everyone should be treated equally. Everyone should atleast have the basic right to live whatever their faith is. If you think this is what "corruption" of our land is, then you are beyond help brother.

 

[Vazir]

Could you please describe what is liberalism?

Zionism?? [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

And okay lets take your suggestion as label liberalism as a seperate religion then what would you want to do to these new "apostates". We all know what your opinion would be.

Damn, son! Hot damn! That shoulda rattled some cages.

And anyone who would disagree would be a kafir and liberal according to your standards.

True af. I'm a centrist but a liberal. A Muslim but a kafir. Crazy, isn't it?

Seriously, when people can't tell the difference between political ideology and religion, I really don't know what to say. If you're Islamist, at least admit it.

 

[waleed3601]

Secularist are a cancer in the muslim world. It is need of the hour to declare secularism and liberalism as seperate religions. These modern day hypocrites hide behind Muslim label while they propagate the kufr of secularism and cause corruption in the land. They should be officially recognized for what they are - non-muslims espousing a pagan western religion.

1. Secularism and liberalism are not religions. Understand what these words mean before you argue against them.
2. How is secularism kufr? Secularism is not polytheism, or atheism; but a system which demands the state to operate without the influence of, or giving special status to any of kind of religion. Therefore, since being secular itself does not negate the Kalma, the negation of which results in kufr, hence secularism can not be kufr.
3. Which pagan western religion are you talking about? Secularists in America fight for getting rid of these same ancient archaic beliefs that you call western pagan religion from school textbooks, so your point is invalid.

 

[Luffy 500]

It was the french philosopher - voltaire, one of the prophets of liberalism and a rabid islamophobe who first used the term ‘Islamisme’ to label ISLAM.

@waleed3601 how many treads covering this topic did I tag you in? The questions you raised is covered in all those thread. There is NO point arguing with you when you ran away from argument when I tagged you. You won't accept the truth but would go on in circles to justify you ill-informed preconceived views. Search all those threads up rather than wasting my time.

:yawn:

You are the one who alluded to stereotypical conspiracies. Did I burst you ballon of hot air?

I don't know why you're acting like I'm not Muslim. Beats me.

I do NOT know who you are behind the key board. If you say you r a muslim, fine you are a muslim . If you say you are a liberal, fine you are a liberal. I can't say anything more other than take to for your word. But if a x,y,z person start using verneculars specific to a certain religion then other people will naturally assume that x,y,z person to be of that specific religion. Common sense.

I don't care about origins. The present is what means to me.

You are the one who mockingly raised the issue of origin in a condescending tone saying "since its a english term I must think its western". But since you now realized your ignorance you are saying you do not care about origins.

And yes it has everything to do with origins. Because the term has NOT deviated an inch from what it actually referred to back in 17 the century which is Islam. For the west Islam is too holistic as a religion to fit their materialistic taste and so they want to somehow water it down and lobotomize it to a state that meets their expectations. "islamism" in essence adds nothing to Islam. The western colonialist had NO doubt in their minds that a "reformed Islam" stripped of "islamism" ,as they call it, would have absolutely nothing to do with Islam and the teaching of Prophet Muhammad (peace & blessings of Allah be upon him) . This is what British governor of Egypt said about Islamism and Islamic reformation way back in 1870s:

"It is conceivable that, as time goes on, the Moslems will develop a religion, possibly a pure Deism, which will not be altogether the Islamism of the past and of the present, and which will cast aside much of the teaching of Mohammed, but which will establish a moral code sufficient to hold society together by bonds other than those of unalloyed self-interest. The Europeanised Egyptian, as we now see him, is the first, not the last, word of reformed Moslem society. It is possible that, in course of time, some higher moral and intellectual ideal will be developed." ________ Everlyn Baring (Proconsul-general for the British occupation of Egypt)

You say you are a muslim eh? Its funny how this anti-islamic british colonialist knew more islam than you.

Time for a lesson. "Islam" is a religion, my religion. "Islamism" is a political ideology, not my political ideology (I'm just fine and dandy with centrism). I don't see why you can't understand that, but it may have something to do with your refusal to consider. I don't know of a cure for that, but if I do find out, I'll let ya know.

Its retarded to try to give lessons in a topic you yourself has absolutely 0 idea off. You specialize in quackery or what?

 

[waleed3601]

Go study what it means to be a Muslims and what Islam stands for. It is a holistic way of life covering every issue effecting human civilization.

it is this exact dogmatic conviction that lead to the fall of every communist state in history. they believed their system and ideology was a cure for everything; from social to economic to political problems. but just like any idea, it was not. the only successful state that started out communist today is china, and even they couldn't survive without liberalization.
ironically enough, the best places to live in the world with highest standard of living are countries that are predominantly atheist. I wonder why.....

 

[TheLahoriGuy]

@Luffy 500

Should someone hand you over Pakistan right now how would you run it ?