next lal masjid ?masood azhar madrasa bahawalpur

[Shamain]

Have asked it couple of times...... But the interesting part is, I am yet to get a reply....... You can, if you want to.....

Dude no report ever confirmed that it was muslims who set the train on fire . Uptil this point it hasnt been proved. Cmon u are an indian u dont know that?

Secondly,most imp point is that imagining for a micro second that muslims had torched the train does tht still justify riots?????? Tell me??

Jihad with weapons is part of Islam one of the most important and one of the most rewarded. Jihad has strict guidelines most important is that civilians can't be targeted and also their property until and unless its being used as base camp to hide or attack Muslims. Jihad is responsibility of state and their failure has created space which is being filled by militants. Muslims states and its leadership has to wake up and shun the cloak of cowardness and declare Jihad and liberate Muslim lands like Palestine and Kashmir and Chechnya. Your denial of Jihad just exposed you and who you really are ? their was a little confusion early on but it's cleared now.
@syedali73 @Gufi


Governments failure to not to do declare Jihad and do it through their Armed Forces not militant groups is damaging cause of Jihad, until and unless they wake up and start doing their duty as Muslim leaders defeating rogue militant groups is impossible.

By gov's fault ihad meant gov supporting any such group,

 

[Norwegian]

Muslims states and its leadership has to wake up and shun the cloak of cowardness and declare Jihad and liberate Muslim lands like Palestine and Kashmir and Chechnya.

Sure. As I said before, these so-called Muslim governments must first kill their Shiites and Sunnis before they are anywhere ready to declare Jihad against the infidels

Your denial of Jihad just exposed you and who you really are ? their was a little confusion early on but it's cleared now.

Where did I deny Jihad as a whole? Sure I dislike violent Jihad because it is the least kind of Jihad rather than its highest form. The highest order of Jihad is nothing but self-struggle:

According to Islamic teachings there are three main categories of Jihad:

(i) Jihad-e-Akbar ie jihad of the highest order.
This is the jihad (struggle) for self-reformation. The struggle is against our own temptations such as greed, lust and other worldly temptations. This is a journey of a person from an ‘animalistic’ state of existence ie living for immediate gratification or gain to one where his psyche is disciplined enough to exercise moral control. This type of jihad is obligatory on every Muslim throughout his life.

Islamic FAQ - Jihad

And then there are lesser kinds of Jihad which violent Jihadi groups you follow like to preach as the only kind of Jihad we may ever have:

(iii) Jihad-e-Asghar ie jihad of the lower order.
This is the jihad of a defensive battle. The Qur’an has clearly restricted this type of jihad to certain conditions while forbidding transgression of any sort.

Islamic FAQ - Jihad

Nice try though, but your violent Jihadi propaganda won't work on me. @TankMan can teach you a lesson

Governments failure to not to do declare Jihad and do it through their Armed Forces not militant groups is damaging cause of Jihad, until and unless they wake up and start doing their duty as Muslim leaders defeating rogue militant groups is impossible.

Regular armies are for the defend of their nation states, and not to be used for jihad worldwide. If you simply cannot distinguish between a national army and a jihadi terrorist group, you are doomed

 

[nair]

Dude no report ever confirmed that it was muslims who set the train on fire . Uptil this point it hasnt been proved. Cmon u are an indian u dont know that?

Secondly,most imp point is that imagining for a micro second that muslims had torched the train does tht still justify riots?????? Tell me??

Lol..... That shows How Hypocrite you guys are.......

By the way show me a post in which i justified gujarat riots????? And for me It is an internal matter, those who got killed Be it Hindu or be it a Muslim are Indians.......

By the way read my signature when you find time.....

 

[Shamain]

Lol..... That shows How Hypocrite you guys are.......

By the way show me a post in which i justified gujarat riots????? And for me It is an internal matter, those who got killed Be it Hindu or be it a Muslim are Indians.......

By the way read my signature when you find time.....

Show me my hypocrisy??? Where did i say or do anything hypocritical before u start name calling????

I had said that fire causes uptil this point havent been ascertained . It was never proved that a muslim mob had attacked the train.

Then even if that had happened how that justified killing of over 3000 muslims, butchering,raping .killing burning them their women?

Lets say train was burnt by muslims ,lets say cud have triggered riots ,but kiling over 1000s........how it mskes sense,???
And how is that level massacrre even possible without gov's support??

 

[Ajit Kumar]

You are missing one big part of the history. Indian occupation of Kashmir and then marginalizing the Kashmiri's came up with this reaction. They started targeting the Kashmiri pandits. By the way, I am not sure how much Kashmiri Muslims targeted the Pandits and how much RAW played its role and thus created atmosphere against Kashmiri Muslims.

Now the only solution for Kashmir is both country has to withdraw from Kashmir. I think Kashmir should be given independent status like Bangladesh.

Nope. you are missing again. If you follow history, this is the seventh such exodus of Kashmiri Pundits, not the first one. At that time even India was not there. And I think some how you are justifying it.

Violent Jihad is only part of political Islam, not the religion of Islam. In religion of Islam, Jihad is all about inner struggle to defy sins and to do good honourable deeds. Unfortunately, for looney losers like you, Jihad has been confined to its violent prospects only.


Sure. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar etc are ruled by Western puppets. Aren't the same countries funding ISIS Jihad in Syria?

Qatar and Saudi Arabia 'have ignited time bomb by funding global spread of radical Islam' - Telegraph


Sure. But first these same "Muslim" countries gotta kill Shiites and Sunnis on mass as it's already happening in Syria, Iraq, Yemen for decades. The "winners" will then go on and start killing Kafirs for "liberation"


How can there even be one Caliph in Islam, when Shiites denounce the whole institution of Caliphate, and the sunnis can't even agree one true caliph? Remember ISIS Caliphate? How many Muslims worldwide have done Bai'at on his hands?


Agreed. Armed militias gave birth to violent Jihad and it only helped in tarnishing the religion of Islam in the world.


So when Muslims are killed by other Muslims all around the world, where goes your violent Jihad? Why is you so-called Jihad only activated when Muslims are killed by non-Muslims, as it's happening in Kashmir, Palestine, Burma and so on. Why not declare violent Jihad against Saudis, Qataris, Emiratis who actively fund ISIS, Hamas? Why not declare violent Jihad against Iran, Syria who openly finance Hezbollah?

And what about when non-muslims are killed by muslims ? Some of your fellow countrymen are justifying it in the case of exodus of Kashmiri Pundits.

 

[I.R.A]

Jihad can only be declared by the government and not by individuals. If the government is corrupt, bring a better government. Islam does not permit to resort to violence even against a corrupt government unless majority of Muslims have made 'bait' on the hand of another Khalifa. In-fact there is a hadith on this and Rasool Allah (PBUH) has said that in the presence of a Khalifa, if another lays claims for Khilfah, slay him.

In a nutshell, I do not agree with what you are suggesting. Corrupt or not, private armed militias are not allowed no matter how noble a cause they wanted to fight for.

Karbala.

 

[Norwegian]

And what about when non-muslims are killed by muslims ? Some of your fellow countrymen are justifying it in the case of exodus of Kashmiri Pundits.

Then its called 'Qital'. It has nothing to do with Jihad. Jihad is all about inner struggle as its highest form and armed struggle (defensive) as its lowest form. Today's Islam has been corrupted by these fanatic Mullahs to such a degree that not even one of them can be trusted as having any authority on Islam.

 

[Ajit Kumar]

Then its called 'Qital'. It has nothing to do with Jihad. Jihad is all about inner struggle as its highest form and armed struggle (defensive) as its lowest form. Today's Islam has been corrupted by these fanatic Mullahs to such a degree that not even one of them can be trusted as having any authority on Islam.

And how non-muslims can defend themselves from Qital ? If they defend, is it allowed to do Jihad against them ?

 

[surya kiran]

Pakistani Parliament was built by RAW, since most pdf posters believe that Pak politicians are corrupt. We wanted democrazy in Pak. Hence funded the election. RAW zindabad.

 

[QARAMATIANS]

Is it Bahawalpur or WahabAlpur

@Imran Khan

 

[Zarvan]

Sure. As I said before, these so-called Muslim governments must first kill their Shiites and Sunnis before they are anywhere ready to declare Jihad against the infidels


Where did I deny Jihad as a whole? Sure I dislike violent Jihad because it is the least kind of Jihad rather than its highest form. The highest order of Jihad is nothing but self-struggle:

Islamic FAQ - Jihad

And then there are lesser kinds of Jihad which violent Jihadi groups you follow like to preach as the only kind of Jihad we may ever have:

Islamic FAQ - Jihad

Nice try though, but your violent Jihadi propaganda won't work on me. @TankMan can teach you a lesson


Regular armies are for the defend of their nation states, and not to be used for jihad worldwide. If you simply cannot distinguish between a national army and a jihadi terrorist group, you are doomed

Jihad with weapons is most rewarding HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW have told it several times I can quote hundreds of Ayats and Hadees here. Secondly Muslim Armies are to do Jihad world wide where ever Muslims are oppressed and Islam is attacked. ISIS and others are born when Muslim Armies fail to do their job.

 

[Norwegian]

And how non-muslims can defend themselves from Qital ? If they defend, is it allowed to do Jihad against them ?

No. Lesser Jihad (Armed Struggle) is only allowed for defensive purposes. You cannot first invade a non-Muslim territory to begin with and then claim Jihad when these non-Muslims fight back

 

[Zarvan]

Is it Bahawalpur or WahabAlpur

First Masood Azhar is from Deoband school of thought not Wahabi. Secondly its bahawalpur one of the most beautiful yes hot but still beautiful cities of the world.

 

[Norwegian]

Is it Bahawalpur or WahabAlpur

Very well spotted. Its now officially, Wahabalpur

First Masood Azhar is from Deoband school of thought not Wahabi. Secondly its bahawalpur one of the most beautiful yes hot but still beautiful cities of the world.

There is not much difference between Wahhabis and Deobandis when they agree on violent Jihad as the only form for Jihad.

 

[QARAMATIANS]

Well, idiots like you cannot understand the difference between an self inflicted insurgency and unilateral state sponsored terrorism. As this is well beyond your comprehension, go play with someone on your plane. Cherry on top is people defending scumbags like massoud azhar and questioning my intellect in the same breath. wow.

Nobody call Mukti Bahini a terrorist org except Pakistan instead world hails them as freedom fighters.