New Zealand suspect emailed PM Ardern minutes before attack

[darksider]

it was huge intelligence failure and negligence. from now on they should try to find people who cheer the attack during watching it live and keep an eye on them.some of them want to do copycat.i saw it my self on deleted thread stored on archive.org.
with this incident it prove that they can go to any length for proving their point of view.more people are joining them via internet and they will try attack some where on a soft target.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[darksider]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1107283689451474944

 

[crankthatskunk]

Even though NZ a peaceful country and overtures from its PM until now are very positive and humane.
But one thing is becoming very clear gradually. Either it is very inept dealing with terrorism or it was completely at ease and response times in NZ are not up to the mark at all.

10/15 minutes nothing happened after such email is received.
Then at the time of carnage, the killer was able to go in and out of the main prayer hall multiple time shooting dead people over and over, to make sure they don't survive if injured.
He then drove in his vehicle to 5 kilometer distance to another mosque killed 10 more people before NZ police responded.
That look very careless and unprofessional to me, bordering on criminality.
Nobody is raising this issue. NZ should be pressurised to answer such questions.

 

[Well.wisher]

This is an act of terrorism . Islamophobia is much worse than we thought .

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Even though NZ a peaceful country and overtures from its PM until now are very positive and humane.
But one thing is becoming very clear gradually. Either it is very inept dealing with terrorism or it was completely at ease and response times in NZ are not up to the mark at all.

10/15 minutes nothing happened after such email is received.
Then at the time of carnage, the killer was able to go in and out of the main prayer hall multiple time shooting dead people over and over, to make sure they don't survive if injured.
He then drove in his vehicle to 5 kilometer distance to another mosque killed 10 more people before NZ police responded.
That look very careless and unprofessional to me, bordering on criminality.
Nobody is raising this issue. NZ should be pressurised to answer such questions.

Cut some slack. NZ does not have terrorism problem so their reaction was understandable given the calm nature of the country.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Its shocking to see the number of people who was cheering this incident after watching it ..empathy and compassion is declining sharply in mankind

Cut some slack. NZ does not have terrorism problem so their reaction was understandable given the calm nature of the country.

People was not expecting this to happen in New Zealand but its still shocking to see how he managed to got all these weapons legally and they allowed him for what purpose?

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Newzealand was not ready to counter this type of incident . Actually it didn't happen from decades and New Zealand was one of the safest country. They just didn't expect this type of attack.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Cut some slack. NZ does not have terrorism problem so their reaction was understandable given the calm nature of the country.

OK, they were not expecting it. But don't tell me the crimes don't happen in NZ at all!!
Come on mate, UK is quite peaceful too, compared to lot more countries. But here police response is way better.
I can understand slow response from the shooting at one place. But it is criminal that he was allowed to travel in his car to 5 km and kill more people, even then nobody was at the scene. According to the News now coming, an Afghan Muslim thrown a credit card reader on him. Later he got hold of one of terrorist's discarded gun, which was empty. But because of the gun, the terrorist flee the second mosque scene. Otherwise he came to collect a second gun and ammunition from his car. He intended to go back to the mosque and kill more innocent people.
Police arrived afterwards and two police officers then tackle him inside his car on a street. Dragging him out and arresting him.
A terrorist who just killed 50 people in broad day light, before been challenged by the Police let loose on the street of your second biggest city doesn't speaks volume for the efficiency of NZ police.

If you find it is because NZ is peaceful and its police calm. It is your thinking.
Well if you ask me, NZ should fire such police to be honest.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

OK, they were not expecting it. But don't tell me the crimes don't happen in NZ at all!!
Come on mate, UK is quite peaceful too, compared to lot more countries. But here police response is way better.
I can understand slow response from the shooting at one place. But it is criminal that he was allowed to travel in his car to 5 km and kill more people, even then nobody was at the scene. According to the News now coming, an Afghan Muslim thrown a credit card reader on him. Later he got hold of one of terrorist's discarded gun, which was empty. But because of the gun, the terrorist flee the second mosque scene. Otherwise he came to collect a second gun and ammunition from his car. He intended to go back to the mosque and kill more innocent people.
Police arrived afterwards and two police officers then tackle him inside his car on a street. Dragging him out and arresting him.
A terrorist who just killed 50 people in broad day light, before been challenged by the Police let loose on the street of your second biggest city doesn't speaks volume for the efficiency of NZ police.

If you find it is because NZ is peaceful and its police calm. It is your thinking.
Well if you ask me, NZ should fire such police to be honest.

My brother is a police officer in South Yorkshire Constabulary so I know a thing or two about police. I know that the scumbags who did this in NZ would most probably have managed to inflict the same destruction in UK ~ all things considered equal. It does not take much time to shoot many people in such confined space with automatic weapons. Of more import is the fact that PM of NZ has been straight and clear in her condemnation of this act of terrorism.

 

[crankthatskunk]

My brother is a police officer in South Yorkshire Constabulary so I know a thing or two about police. I know that the scumbags who did this in NZ would most probably have managed to inflict the same destruction in UK ~ all things considered equal. It does not take much time to shoot many people in such confined space with automatic weapons. Of more import is the fact that PM of NZ has been straight and clear in her condemnation of this act of terrorism.

My Experience of UK Police in London is different.
IT is very clear, he took 15min + in first mosque, he visited his car to re-load. Then got in his car drove 5 kilometer, finish the job there, was on the road again. No it wasn't quick. You are just denying facts.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

My Experience of UK Police in London is different.

London has ARV's everywhere. So do most metropolitan UK cities. However if a incident took place within one of the rural police constabularies like Cumbria or North Yorkshire, in a small market town the reaction time could be lot longer. Fewer ARV's covering a huge area. All it takes is ARV to be occupied on other side of the county and reaction time could easily hit 15 minutes. And please stop comparing London with small town in NZ.

You are just denying facts.

Okay. whatever.

 

[crankthatskunk]

London has ARV's everywhere. So do most metropolitan UK cities. However if a incident took place within one of the rural police constabularies like Cumbria or North Yorkshire, in a small market town the reaction time could be lot longer. Fewer ARV's covering a huge area. All it takes is ARV to be occupied on other side of the county and reaction time could easily hit 15 minutes. And please stop comparing London with small town in NZ.

Okay. whatever.

Mate did you forget that Christchurch is the second biggest city of NZ. It is a metropolitan.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Mate did you forget that Christchurch is the second biggest city of NZ. It is a metropolitan.

At 370k it's about same size as 12th largest city in UK. Stoke-on-Trent. I would hardly call that 'metropolitan' and compare it to London which is 20 times larger. In fact London has twice more population then all of NZ put together.

 

[crankthatskunk]

At 370k it's about same size as 12th largest city in UK. Stoke-on-Trent. I would hardly call that 'metropolitan' and compare it to London which is 20 times larger. In fact London has twice more population then all of NZ put together.

I think mate, you really broaden your horizons. You don't even understand the meaning of a City and Metropolitan.
Here how it is compared.

Christchurch 404,500 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_New_Zealand).
Manchester, Greater Manchester 545,500
Sheffield, 577,800 (It is in South Yorkshire, for your information it is my second home).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_districts_by_population

Now tell me you wouldn't consider Manchester as Metropolitan!!

Now for Metropolitan areas,
Manchester, 2,556,000
Sheffield, 1,569,000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_in_the_United_Kingdom

Yes, NZ has less population, less than 5 M. Don't you think that due to less population and smaller size of the city of Christchurch, Police should have been on the scene far quicker!! Also consider the traffic, it doesn't have the traffic problem like London does. Secondly, the first Mosque was inside the city center. Every fact is pointing to very slow response.
Don't worry I many weekends have seen Police buzzing around South Yorkshire and attending little incidents in Sheffield, Rotheram, Doncaster etc. within minutes. Far far less important incidents.