New Pakistan air chief hails F-16s' role in North Waziristan campaign

[Djinn]

simple answer to your questions mate is f 14 tomcat of iraf. Americans were only able to sabotage some of them during revolution by only physically removing parts they don't have kill switches in them if they had them in f 14 why they are still flying with phoenix 54 its most potent weapon. which mean without physical sabotage they cant do any thing to these birds.

Iranian possession of F-14's is no success story. This analogy is further left inapt just for the sole reason that F-14 is quite outdated as compared to F-16's recent blocs, which house a lot more sophisticated tech. Anyways, how F-16's electronic & other crucial components cannot be jammed, is still to be answered, not to mention the SANCTIONS.

Pure lie. US won't sell a single weapon worldwide if they do such things. PAF is not stupid and our media person are especially when it comes to understanding defence technology.

How about you back your statement with a concrete proof and not your subjectivity. Remember, the Argentinian Exocet's and French chicanery? Has the world stopped purchasing french weaponry? American sanctions on Pakistan during wars are no secret. It is a known fact that countries sell watered down versions of military equipment to foreign buyers and it would be foolish to believe that Pakistani, American equipment wont be without kinks. Above all, do explain, how the USA can't jam or malfunction it's Pakistani equipment, when we have the glaring example of OBL raid.

 

[Hell hound]

Iranian possession of F-14's is no success story. This analogy is further left inapt just for the sole reason that F-14 is quite outdated as compared to F-16's recent blocs, which house a lot more sophisticated tech. Anyways, how F-16's electronic & other crucial components cannot be jammed, is still to be answered, not to mention the SANCTIONS.



How about you back your statement with a concrete proof and not your subjectivity. Remember, the Argentinian Exocet's and French chicanery? Has the world stopped purchasing french weaponry? American sanctions on Pakistan during wars are no secret. It is a known fact that countries sell watered down versions of military equipment to foreign buyers and it would be foolish to believe that Pakistani, American equipment wont be without kinks. Above all, do explain, how the USA can't jam or malfunction it's Pakistani equipment, when we have the glaring example of OBL raid.

in obl raid they used growler mate that beast can even jam f 22 radar and you are surprise how they was able to jam our fairly old radars on ground.

 

[Tipu7]

they used growler

you sure about that?

 

[Hell hound]

here is the link if u want it but its not the official release so take it with pinch of salt.
The Aviationist » Operation Neptune's Spear explained
this is one site many other are also expressing the fact that they used the growler.

 

[Windjammer]

here is the link if u want it but its not the official release so take it with pinch of salt.
The Aviationist » Operation Neptune's Spear explained
this is one site many other are also expressing the fact that they used the growler.

Then how come PAF launched interceptors who had the American choppers in sight but due to orders from the top, they had to stand down. !!

 

[Hell hound]

first chopper was hit and target was identified visually by ground AA so they would have contacted paf to report the incident which they were unaware of due radar being jammed and then they would have scrambled the jets on this info but was too late american was gone or at least were in Afghan territory when they got them in their sights

 

[Pakistanisage]

We should try as many as we can a great plane should get both new and old

Pakistan could do with F16's what it did with Mirages.

Become the biggest user of these aircrafts next to the manufacturer ( i.e. the US ).

 

[Tipu7]

first chopper was hit and target was identified visually by ground AA

hit by what? AA Gun? Man pad?
there are so much lies and false reports regarding Osma raid. not to forget conspiracy theories also. But I do not believe we will buy such equipment from US that we will not be able to use against india. Falcons and Vipers all are for TTP now but for India later., US knows that.

 

[Donatello]

Pakistan could do with F16's what it did with Mirages.

Become the biggest user of these aircrafts next to the manufacturer ( i.e. the US ).

But that was because Mirage were quickly retired by other large users, like Australia, Spain, Libya, Israel.

F-16s will remain in large numbers with Egypt, Israel and Turkey.........so unless Pakistan plans on getting 100 more f-16s, it won't be the second biggest user.

 

[Hell hound]

hit by what? AA Gun? Man pad?
there are so much lies and false reports regarding Osma raid. not to forget conspiracy theories also. But I do not believe we will buy such equipment from US that we will not be able to use against india. Falcons and Vipers all are for TTP now but for India later., US knows that.

that i agree with you america cant and wont stop us from using f 16 on Indians as trying to stop us will result in decreasing our nuclear threshold and it is far more better if india lose few jets in war then completely losing 2 nations.

 

[Windjammer]

But that was because Mirage were quickly retired by other large users, like Australia, Spain, Libya, Israel.

F-16s will remain in large numbers with Egypt, Israel and Turkey.........so unless Pakistan plans on getting 100 more f-16s, it won't be the second biggest user.

My dear it's not a question of being second or third biggest user, rather to acquire them wherever possible as more and more countries cut down on their defence expenditure.

 

[rockstar08]

I believe PAF wants to do a century (with F-16's)... Another SQD completes it!

Nope ?
we have 76 , for now ..
and we need 24 more to complete 100
so i guess 1.5 Sqs

 

[Paksanity]

How about you back your statement with a concrete proof and not your subjectivity. Remember, the Argentinian Exocet's and French chicanery? Has the world stopped purchasing french weaponry? American sanctions on Pakistan during wars are no secret. It is a known fact that countries sell watered down versions of military equipment to foreign buyers and it would be foolish to believe that Pakistani, American equipment wont be without kinks. Above all, do explain, how the USA can't jam or malfunction it's Pakistani equipment, when we have the glaring example of OBL raid.

If any so-called expert claims that US will activate kill switches, onus of evidence is upon him. He must elaborate how this will be achieved and which networking node enables such move and what sensors will be affected in what way. How backup systems will not kick in and why a multi million dollar machine would turn upside down belly up playing dead. The fact is such people can't tell apart weapons hung under F-16 what to talk of its electronic and EW suite. I would be very interested to know which Squadron flew or failed to fly because of US kill switches. What did exactly aircraft did? Did it talk to pilot or the whole base saw F-16 running around on its own with pilots chasing it till Air Force police finally cornered the F-16 into submission?? Now if the answer is I am don't know then such people should shut up on matters they don't comprehend. Defence technology is highly advanced specialised field. I suggest you read material available on this site and on Internet. Some senior members and professionals here have good knowledge but sometimes they are not entirely sure too. So they seek help from each other.

As far OBL raid, I think PAF made it amply clear as to what has happened. In short, PAF can respond on detection and there was no detection because they used stealth aircraft while flying in mountains. We don't have stealth detection capability nor do any nation in our region. Unless PAF hires some wizards who can do "Kala Jadoo" on stealth, at the moment this is how it is.

PAF was not involve in Salala incident and Army Chief said so. It is easy to blast PAF for every incident but military hardware can do what it can do. You have to buy a lot of sophisticated radars, SAMs and Fighters to guard every inch. You have to mount 24/7 AWACS that too in sufficient numbers to cover every kilometer of our mountainous terrain. That means lot of money to buy hardware and sustain such operation in peace time for indefinite period. Almost equal to wartime expenses.

As far Argentine-France thing, well here are few facts. Argentine sunk UK's HMS Sheffield using French Super Entendard aircraft carrying French Exocet missiles which were given position of HMS Sheffield byFrench Agave radars mounted on Super Etendard. Initial fix on HMS Sheffieldwas provided by US built P-2 Neptune maritime surveillance aircraft built by Lockheed and operated by Argentinian Navy. Super Etendard aircraft were refuelled enroute by HC-130, a US built aircraft. Two Exocets were fired at HMS Sheffield. Victim ship never picked attacking aircraft and only made aware of attack when it picked up smoke of sea skimming approaching Exocets; too late for any meaningful evasive manoeuvre. One Exocet missed the ship by half a mile while second one achieved hit, penetrating the hull and leading to sinking of HMS Sheffield. With this performance, world had good reason to buy French weapons!

 

[Djinn]

in obl raid they used growler mate that beast can even jam f 22 radar and you are surprise how they was able to jam our fairly old radars on ground.

All these accounts are speculative at best, as some talk of stealthy heli's and some talk of extensive use of electronic warfare. But the fact remains unaddressed that Americans do have the ability to cripple Pakistani, American equipment at will and they do keep tabs on their equipment. Let alone the fact that they can also provide crucial info of that equipment to a much closer ally like India.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

Y is there no jf17 in action. . I think it is capable enough to handle the missions on pak-afghan boarder. Aint it?

The reason behind has been mentioned above in first reply