New Generation of Pakistani and Bangladeshi

[HK-47]

from BD's point of view we need good relations with both India and Pakistan.
both being regional powers.and also given India's size and position too as Cheetah mentioned.

 

[Majnun]

I personally see a Bengali as my brother.

I agree. Bengalis and Pakistanis are brothers.

 

[khanz]

I think we should have good relations with both india and bangladesh there alot of benefits everyone could get.
We are all neighbours so hostility will only hold us all back.

 

[mujahideen]

I think we should have good relations with both india and bangladesh there alot of benefits everyone could get.
We are all neighbours so hostility will only hold us all back.

Well said.

 

[Nafees]

Well said.

Do u all think that India can be trusted? I don't.

 

[solid snake]

I met a Bengali person (not the ethnicity, the nationality) for the first time here in the US a couple years ago. Since then, all the Bengalis I've met are good people.

Whenver you actually meet people of a certain nationality, as opposed to just living in your own country never having seen a Bengali or a Pakistani, you tend to be less positive in your outlook of that nationality.

Having said that, I've seen groups on Facebook where young Bengalis are abusing Pakistan.

 

[HK-47]

well yes we are a bit emotional about the war and hence from there the bashing comes I believe.

Do u all think that India can be trusted? I don't.

India has its faults but so did we.The recent help after the cyclone has been a surprising welcome one though.The trade policies...they need to change and there is space for improvement in the bilateral relations.
thing is we are a lot vulnerable and India being big having many resources has a certain degree of control over us.

However I get pissed off every time they say we should be secular this secular that(guess they don't know the meaning of secularism even after having so many achievements).

as for relations with Pakistan,let me ask you people did we ever have bad relations after independence?I don't think so.The latest generation has bad feelings about the war(I mean c'mon some of their aunts,relatives,uncles were raped,tortured,killed,etc.) but they happen to be more rational.They don't label all Pakistanis as bad.
The world has changed a lot in the last 3+ decades .

 

[salman nedian]

well yes we are a bit emotional about the war and hence from there the bashing comes I believe.

India has its faults but so did we.The recent help after the cyclone has been a surprising welcome one though.The trade policies...they need to change and there is space for improvement in the bilateral relations.
thing is we are a lot vulnerable and India being big having many resources has a certain degree of control over us.

However I get pissed off every time they say we should be secular this secular that(guess they don't know the meaning of secularism even after having so many achievements).

as for relations with Pakistan,let me ask you people did we ever have bad relations after independence?I don't think so.The latest generation has bad feelings about the war(I mean c'mon some of their aunts,relatives,uncles were raped,tortured,killed,etc.) but they happen to be more rational.They don't label all Pakistanis as bad.
The world has changed a lot in the last 3+ decades .

War is always bad, my uncle was in East Pakistan (he was in PA) he never came but did I abuse Bangladeshis ever??
No b/c I believe on Islamic brotherhood and Pakistan rather than culture and Language.

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

well yes we are a bit emotional about the war and hence from there the bashing comes I believe.

India has its faults but so did we.The recent help after the cyclone has been a surprising welcome one though.The trade policies...they need to change and there is space for improvement in the bilateral relations.
thing is we are a lot vulnerable and India being big having many resources has a certain degree of control over us.

However I get pissed off every time they say we should be secular this secular that(guess they don't know the meaning of secularism even after having so many achievements).

as for relations with Pakistan,let me ask you people did we ever have bad relations after independence?I don't think so.The latest generation has bad feelings about the war(I mean c'mon some of their aunts,relatives,uncles were raped,tortured,killed,etc.) but they happen to be more rational.They don't label all Pakistanis as bad.
The world has changed a lot in the last 3+ decades .

Thou i agree but in my opinion the mentality has not changed as per my interaction with Bangalis over the years. You see,

Hatred is returned by Hatred even by the Wisest!

 

[M.AKRAM NIAZI]

“Advantages of Creation of Bangladesh to Pakistan”.


M.Akram Khan Niazi, Pakistan

Usually smaller Parts of a country having extraordinary resources tries to break away from the mainland to take the maximum advantage of their resources for their advantage, and to protect themselves from the drain of their resources to majority or dominant section of the country, but in case of Pakistan Majority Part on the basis of population, which was also having scare resources, separated from the other part, Generally, it is regarded as an unfortunate event for Pakistan by people of Pakistan, and no Pakistani tries to see other side of the coin of that event for analysis of the benefits achieved to them by this event

The reason of this is that all literature about that event has been written by those who were living in East Pakistan and they suffered personally by this event, due to which they always indicate their miseries and losses and forget to explain the advantages of that event to whole Pakistani Nation. Therefore, it is necessary to see the real results of this event. With the separation of East Pakistan, following advantages were achieved to Pakistan.

1. Economical

•Separation of Bangladesh was as much beneficial for Pakistan as separation of Pakistan from India.

•As the part of world in which East Pakistan was situated, was having limited resources, and many poor areas of subcontinent are situated in that part, such as Bihar , Assam ,West Bengal, Burma and Bhutan. Technically it was not in the interest of Pakistan, to keep itself attached with East Bengal(Historically one of the most poorest area of subcontinent) .In fact Pakistan after separation saved its future from economic burden of poverty ridden Bangladesh,

• Huge Population and scare resources of East Bengal were clear Indicators, that there will be no extraordinary progress in future in that province and no sensible person may think that it was valuable for Pakistan to keep itself attached with most poverty ridden part of this region.

•Being a part of East Pakistan, rulers were forcing to West Pakistani citizens to become a market of East Pakistan’s low quality Products, such as Tea, Pans and jute on artificial high prices on the name of Patriotism, while now such type high quality Products may be purchased from other countries on very low prices.

•After separation of Bangladesh, it was possible for Pakistan to make its economic policies without having any concern of interests of a far situated part.

•Pakistan Economic Managers relieved themselves from the Economic restrictions due to economic interest of East Bengal. That situation was as much harmful, as today Pakistan start to take care of the economic interest of Myanmar or West Bengal; it is certain that such type situation will be disastrous for Pakistan.

•With the analysis of economic situation of present day Pakistan and Bangladesh, shows that Pakistan GDP and Foreign currency reserves are double than that of Bangladesh and Electricity production is also 5 times more. It is obvious, that separation was much more in the interest of Pakistan, Because, the only solution of the Disparity between two parts, was to serve the Bangladesh with the resources of West Pakistan. Otherwise there was no other magic solution to address that disparity.

•It is still obvious that, there is still no charm in having trade links with countries of South Asia, because it is not in the economic interest of Pakistan, instead of that we should focus on rich and developed areas such as China, Middle East, Far East, Europe and USA.

2. Political Advantages.

•Due to extraordinary majority of Bengali Population, it was not possible for any province of West Pakistan to become equivalent to that majority any time in future, and it was certain that representatives of Provinces of West Pakistan will always remain in opposition in assemblies as per modern time democracy principles, this was really a frightening situation and the People of Pakistan were going to be ruled by any ethnocentric Bengali Leader or by any Bengali Military dictator for ever.

•Due to Bengali nationalism and ethnocentrism, on the basis of which People of Bangladesh were victimizing the Urdu Speaking Muslim refugees from India and that is still continue, and their Ethnic Cleansing with aborigines people of CHT, were clearly indicating that people of that area were not sincere and aware of the Ideology of Pakistan, in fact attachment of Pakistan with East Bengal was self deception and nothing else.

•Due to agitation style and different culture, the politicians of East Pakistan were always blaming Pakistan for their problems and exploitations, while people of Pakistan were worried about deteriorating condition of people of East Pakistan due to poverty and natural disasters, and they were too much fed up with that situation as they were seeing no end of all this, as this thing was also harming the Basic Ideology of Pakistan, and therefore to get rid of this situation and to avoid baseless allegations it was necessary to separate that area(East Bengal) from Pakistan, and this was the main reason that West Pakistani Military Personnel, even having capability for defending that part decided very easily and conveniently to end their any relation with that land on the basis of the facts that they were tired of all those messy affairs.

• Due to separation of East Pakistan, Pakistan saved itself and its ideology from baseless criticism of Bengalese Politicians, and now on real grounds they are blaming each other for their problems.
•With the separation of Bangladesh, Pakistan Islamic Ideology became more prominent with the introduction of Islamic laws and future scenario of Pakistan became much more firmed with the conversion of population ratio to 98 % Muslims, while with Bangladesh, presence of Huge Hindu minority was having adverse effects on the ideological progress of the country.

3. Security Advantages:

As East Pakistan was situated in the abdomen and inside the body of India and thousand miles away from West Pakistan, India was using this factor for blackmailing and pressurizing Pakistan from the beginning, In fact burden of huge population of East Bengal was loaded on West Pakistan to make Pakistan a crippled and failed state by Indian National Congress. India used that part as a button for keeping under pressure to Pakistan in 1947, in war of 1965 and again in 1970 with policy to occupy large chunk of land in East Pakistan. Due to 1000 miles distance between both parts and that also filled by enemy land, in such worst scenario even maintaining contacts between security forces and their mobility was in fact a difficult, expensive and life taking task, accompanied with wastage of huge resources, ultimately resulting in weakening of Defense forces and economy of the country. By separation of East Bengal, Pakistan was able to get rid of its weak point which was a most easy and favorite target of India. Due to that now Pakistan Defense is more strong and protected as compared to vulnerable and weak position before 1971.

4. Social Advantages:

•With the separation of Bengal flow of population from densely populated Bangladesh to parts of West Pakistan stopped, which was a good development for the culture and social set up of West Pakistan.

•Due to two national languages, Cultural evolution of the people of West Pakistan was stopped and their local languages were dying, with the separation of Bangladesh, that process was stopped.

•After separation of Bangladesh huge jobs opportunities were raised for people of different provinces of West Pakistan in both Federal and Provincial Governments. Due to elimination of share of people of Bengalese in civilian Jobs, which resulted in an increase in participation of local population in the affairs of country, by this their sense of depriving was minimized.

•People of Bengal are usually dark skinned, while people of West Pakistan were of Fair Skinned, due to continuous flow of Bengalese from East Bengal was creating racial discomfort and fears in the mind of local populations, that by this they will become minority in their own provinces, specially in the case when Federal Government was encouraging Bengalese to rehabilitate in West Pakistan, By separation of East Bengal this process of migration was also stopped.

This is the reason that after separation of East Pakistan, Mr. Mujibur Rehman was immediately released by President Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, and he never expressed any regret about creation of Bangladesh.

Similarly once Prersident Zia-ul-Haq commented that freedom fighters of Bangladesh were in fact the freedom fighters of Pakistan, Now Bangladesh is a free country and Pakistan is also a free country.

It is crystal clear from all above mentioned facts that separation from Problematic East Bengal created new life and new freedom in Pakistan.

Written By M.Akram Khan Niazi.
Karachi,Pakistan

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

I think we should have good relations with both india and bangladesh there alot of benefits everyone could get.
We are all neighbours so hostility will only hold us all back.

well sadi bro. appreciate u r views.

 

[M.AKRAM NIAZI]

“Advantages of Creation of Bangladesh to Pakistan”.


M.Akram Khan Niazi, Pakistan

Usually smaller Parts of a country having extraordinary resources tries to break away from the mainland to take the maximum advantage of their resources for their advantage, and to protect themselves from the drain of their resources to majority or dominant section of the country, but in case of Pakistan Majority Part on the basis of population, which was also having scare resources, separated from the other part, Generally, it is regarded as an unfortunate event for Pakistan by people of Pakistan, and no Pakistani tries to see other side of the coin of that event for analysis of the benefits achieved to them by this event

The reason of this is that all literature about that event has been written by those who were living in East Pakistan and they suffered personally by this event, due to which they always indicate their miseries and losses and forget to explain the advantages of that event to whole Pakistani Nation. Therefore, it is necessary to see the real results of this event. With the separation of East Pakistan, following advantages were achieved to Pakistan.

1. Economical

•Separation of Bangladesh was as much beneficial for Pakistan as separation of Pakistan from India.

•As the part of world in which East Pakistan was situated, was having limited resources, and many poor areas of subcontinent are situated in that part, such as Bihar , Assam ,West Bengal, Burma and Bhutan. Technically it was not in the interest of Pakistan, to keep itself attached with East Bengal(Historically one of the most poorest area of subcontinent) .In fact Pakistan after separation saved its future from economic burden of poverty ridden Bangladesh,

• Huge Population and scare resources of East Bengal were clear Indicators, that there will be no extraordinary progress in future in that province and no sensible person may think that it was valuable for Pakistan to keep itself attached with most poverty ridden part of this region.

•Being a part of East Pakistan, rulers were forcing to West Pakistani citizens to become a market of East Pakistan’s low quality Products, such as Tea, Pans and jute on artificial high prices on the name of Patriotism, while now such type high quality Products may be purchased from other countries on very low prices.

•After separation of Bangladesh, it was possible for Pakistan to make its economic policies without having any concern of interests of a far situated part.

•Pakistan Economic Managers relieved themselves from the Economic restrictions due to economic interest of East Bengal. That situation was as much harmful, as today Pakistan start to take care of the economic interest of Myanmar or West Bengal; it is certain that such type situation will be disastrous for Pakistan.

•With the analysis of economic situation of present day Pakistan and Bangladesh, shows that Pakistan GDP and Foreign currency reserves are double than that of Bangladesh and Electricity production is also 5 times more. It is obvious, that separation was much more in the interest of Pakistan, Because, the only solution of the Disparity between two parts, was to serve the Bangladesh with the resources of West Pakistan. Otherwise there was no other magic solution to address that disparity.

•It is still obvious that, there is still no charm in having trade links with countries of South Asia, because it is not in the economic interest of Pakistan, instead of that we should focus on rich and developed areas such as China, Middle East, Far East, Europe and USA.

2. Political Advantages.

•Due to extraordinary majority of Bengali Population, it was not possible for any province of West Pakistan to become equivalent to that majority any time in future, and it was certain that representatives of Provinces of West Pakistan will always remain in opposition in assemblies as per modern time democracy principles, this was really a frightening situation and the People of Pakistan were going to be ruled by any ethnocentric Bengali Leader or by any Bengali Military dictator for ever.

•Due to Bengali nationalism and ethnocentrism, on the basis of which People of Bangladesh were victimizing the Urdu Speaking Muslim refugees from India and that is still continue, and their Ethnic Cleansing with aborigines people of CHT, were clearly indicating that people of that area were not sincere and aware of the Ideology of Pakistan, in fact attachment of Pakistan with East Bengal was self deception and nothing else.

•Due to agitation style and different culture, the politicians of East Pakistan were always blaming Pakistan for their problems and exploitations, while people of Pakistan were worried about deteriorating condition of people of East Pakistan due to poverty and natural disasters, and they were too much fed up with that situation as they were seeing no end of all this, as this thing was also harming the Basic Ideology of Pakistan, and therefore to get rid of this situation and to avoid baseless allegations it was necessary to separate that area(East Bengal) from Pakistan, and this was the main reason that West Pakistani Military Personnel, even having capability for defending that part decided very easily and conveniently to end their any relation with that land on the basis of the facts that they were tired of all those messy affairs.

• Due to separation of East Pakistan, Pakistan saved itself and its ideology from baseless criticism of Bengalese Politicians, and now on real grounds they are blaming each other for their problems.
•With the separation of Bangladesh, Pakistan Islamic Ideology became more prominent with the introduction of Islamic laws and future scenario of Pakistan became much more firmed with the conversion of population ratio to 98 % Muslims, while with Bangladesh, presence of Huge Hindu minority was having adverse effects on the ideological progress of the country.

3. Security Advantages:

As East Pakistan was situated in the abdomen and inside the body of India and thousand miles away from West Pakistan, India was using this factor for blackmailing and pressurizing Pakistan from the beginning, In fact burden of huge population of East Bengal was loaded on West Pakistan to make Pakistan a crippled and failed state by Indian National Congress. India used that part as a button for keeping under pressure to Pakistan in 1947, in war of 1965 and again in 1970 with policy to occupy large chunk of land in East Pakistan. Due to 1000 miles distance between both parts and that also filled by enemy land, in such worst scenario even maintaining contacts between security forces and their mobility was in fact a difficult, expensive and life taking task, accompanied with wastage of huge resources, ultimately resulting in weakening of Defense forces and economy of the country. By separation of East Bengal, Pakistan was able to get rid of its weak point which was a most easy and favorite target of India. Due to that now Pakistan Defense is more strong and protected as compared to vulnerable and weak position before 1971.

4. Social Advantages:

•With the separation of Bengal flow of population from densely populated Bangladesh to parts of West Pakistan stopped, which was a good development for the culture and social set up of West Pakistan.

•Due to two national languages, Cultural evolution of the people of West Pakistan was stopped and their local languages were dying, with the separation of Bangladesh, that process was stopped.

•After separation of Bangladesh huge jobs opportunities were raised for people of different provinces of West Pakistan in both Federal and Provincial Governments. Due to elimination of share of people of Bengalese in civilian Jobs, which resulted in an increase in participation of local population in the affairs of country, by this their sense of depriving was minimized.

•People of Bengal are usually dark skinned, while people of West Pakistan were of Fair Skinned, due to continuous flow of Bengalese from East Bengal was creating racial discomfort and fears in the mind of local populations, that by this they will become minority in their own provinces, specially in the case when Federal Government was encouraging Bengalese to rehabilitate in West Pakistan, By separation of East Bengal this process of migration was also stopped.

This is the reason that after separation of East Pakistan, Mr. Mujibur Rehman was immediately released by President Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, and he never expressed any regret about creation of Bangladesh.

Similarly once Prersident Zia-ul-Haq commented that freedom fighters of Bangladesh were in fact the freedom fighters of Pakistan, Now Bangladesh is a free country and Pakistan is also a free country.

It is crystal clear from all above mentioned facts that separation from Problematic East Bengal created new life and new freedom in Pakistan.

Written By M.Akram Khan Niazi.
Karachi,Pakistan

 

[Karachiite]

Just like the above article says.
Creation of Bangladesh was a huge success for Pakistan. After the civil war we focused on one whole Pakistan, and thankfully West Pakistanis were not traitors. We didn't have to deal with massive poverty, no more worrying about cyclones or spending money on a part of the country thats not even geographically connected to Pakistan. Economically and Socially we advanced.
We only shared a common religion with the Bengalis, our culture,language,colour etc are way different than theirs. In 1971 only Bangladesh didn't get freedom, us Pakistanis also did.
Just like Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto said, "So what if Dhaka falls? So what if all of East Pakistan falls? We'll build a new Pakistan, we will build a better Pakistan, we will build a Greater Pakistan".

Good Luck to both Pakistan and Bangladesh in the future.

 

[The Clarifier]

Just like the above article says.
Creation of Bangladesh was a huge success for Pakistan. After the civil war we focused on one whole Pakistan, and thankfully West Pakistanis were not traitors. We didn't have to deal with massive poverty, no more worrying about cyclones or spending money on a part of the country thats not even geographically connected to Pakistan. Economically and Socially we advanced.
We only shared a common religion with the Bengalis, our culture,language,colour etc are way different than theirs. In 1971 only Bangladesh didn't get freedom, us Pakistanis also did.
Good Luck to both Pakistan and Bangladesh in the future.

The problem is that now Bangladesh isn't our closest ally due to what happened in 1971. I have heard they are more dependent on India and I would like Pakistan to step up.

Bangladesh can be a vital ally.

 

[Karachiite]

They will obviously be more dependent on India because they are neighbours. We don't border Bangladesh, Afghanistan doesn't depend on India, they depend on us. But we can become vital allies in the future if we forget the past. Bangladesh still wants us to apologize for a genocide we did not commit. We need to build trust and start some free trade agreements.