New coronavirus may be no more dangerous than the flu despite worldwide alarm: experts

[Hamartia Antidote]

so many short memories here...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/may/05/swine-flu-china-mexico
Swine flu: Mexican citizens flown back from China after being held in hotels


Tue 5 May 2009 03.01 EDTFirst published on Tue 5 May 2009 03.01 EDT

A plane chartered by the Mexican government arrived in China today to bring home more than 70 Mexican citizens who it said had been the target of "repressive and discriminatory measures" because of the swine flu outbreak.

 

[beijingwalker]

This new virus kills far less people than the seasonal flu, yes, we take very serious about it but we don't have to be panic, most cases of this virus are just like common cold.

 

[KungFuLee]

This new virus kills far less people than the seasonal flu, yes, we take very serious about it but we don't have to be panic, most cases of this virus are just like common cold.

This type of virus is not like flu. Flu develop gradually, and you don't actually died unless you delay treatment (Yes, many people do that because when most people got the flu, they think they can ride it out in bed for a couple of day, and that is what kill those people.)

The R-0 and Mortality Rate for general flu are no where near this Corona Virus outbreak. Generally flu R-0 are between 0.8-1 and Mortality rate are usually less than 1% (Last year 19 millions American have the flu only 18,000 died from complication, that's 0.001 percent) On the other hand, 2019-nCoV have a R-0 of 2-4.5 and mortality rate is currently at 2%.....

Also, there are vaccine that treat most of the flu virus, but there are none on 2019 nCoV…..

You are comparing a virus that kills you because you do nothing about it, to a virus that kills you because there are nothing you can do about it...…...

 

[beijingwalker]

This type of virus is not like flu. Flu develop gradually, and you don't actually died unless you delay treatment (Yes, many people do that because when most people got the flu, they think they can ride it out in bed for a couple of day, and that is what kill those people.)

The R-0 and Mortality Rate for general flu are no where near this Corona Virus outbreak. Generally flu R-0 are between 0.8-1 and Mortality rate are usually less than 1% (Last year 19 millions American have the flu only 18,000 died from complication, that's 0.001 percent) On the other hand, 2019-nCoV have a R-0 of 2-4.5 and mortality rate is currently at 2%.....

Also, there are vaccine that treat most of the flu virus, but there are none on 2019 nCoV…..

You are comparing a virus that kills you because you do nothing about it, to a virus that kills you because there are nothing you can do about it...…...

You can write a letter to the medical expert this article quoted to challenge him.

 

[SEAISI]

You are comparing a virus that kills you because you do nothing about it, to a virus that kills you because there are nothing you can do about it...…...

Surely the 2700+ recovered has something else to say about that.

 

[KungFuLee]

Surely the 2700+ recovered has something else to say about that.

I don't know where you have your 2700 + cured from. Official report as of today is 2080 so far.

That number is less than the number of new case today, just one day. Which is around 3350.....

And finally no, it doesn't matter how many people were "cured", there are still at this moment there are nothing other than try to have our own immune system to overcome the diseases, that is the main reason why there are only some odd 2000 people "cured", that is if you can claim let the disease run its course is "cured" at all.

 

[KungFuLee]

You can write a letter to the medical expert this article quoted to challenge him.

I don't need to, Chinese Scientist already did that for me.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/wuhan-coronavirus-worse-than-sars-scientist-warns-2020-1

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I don’t see how people think 700 dead out of only 35,000 cases is a similar rate than the flu.

 

[Vanguard One]

New coronavirus may be no more dangerous than the flu despite worldwide alarm: experts
The apparently high initial mortality rates have shrunk as the number of infections grows, and many of the infected appear to have mild or no symptoms

February 3, 2020

If one thing has spread faster than the new coronavirus from Wuhan, China, it is worldwide fear of the novel bug.

Surgical masks are being hoarded in Toronto, borders closed in Russia and conspiracy theories disseminated far and wide on Twitter.

Meanwhile, the massive quarantines imposed in China are starting to threaten the global economy.

But as evidence of the severity and transmissabilty of 2019-nCoV trickles in, infectious-disease experts say it’s appearing less menacing than first thought, maybe more like seasonal flu than, say, SARS.

The apparently high mortality rates that dominated headlines initially have shrunk as the number of infections grows, and many of the infected appear to have mild or no symptoms.

To some scientists, the situation is reminiscent of the H1N1 pandemic flu of 2009, which burst onto the scene with a frightening spate of deaths in Mexico, only to be viewed as relatively innocuous by the time it petered out for the season.

“Upfront, what you tend to see is probably an over-representation of severe cases that are getting reported,” said Jason Kindrachuk, Canada Research Chair in emerging viruses at the University of Manitoba.

The people who bring a new infection to the fore are those ill enough to seek medical help and get tested, he noted.

“But there are probably a ton of cases in the background that people just thought were mild cases of flu.”

Kindrachuk and other scientists stress that the jury is still out on the new coronavirus, and say that even if it turns out to be a relatively mild disease, health authorities are right to take it very seriously.

But the sense that the media, public and some nations have over-reacted is beginning to seep into conversation.

The current global panic in reaction to the emergence of a fairly mild new virus is wholly unjustified

Beijing’s Foreign Affairs Ministry spokeswoman complained Monday about the U.S. decision to ban anyone who had been in China recently, accusing it of spreading fear while not actually helping the country most affected by the virus.

In a news release Sunday, the Federation of International Employers urged more calm to avoid economic dislocation and a world recession.

“The current global panic in reaction to the emergence of a fairly mild new virus is wholly unjustified and amounts to mass hysteria,” complained the human resources association, chaired by a Ford Motors executive.

As of Monday, the World Health Organization reported 17,391 laboratory-confirmed cases of the new coronavirus worldwide — the vast majority in China — and 362 deaths.

That’s a death rate of two per cent, several times that of the seasonal flu in places like Canada, and much less than two other recently emerging coronaviruses: SARS (10 per cent); and the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome or MERS (35 per cent).

But a recent article by University of Hong scientists published by the journal Lancet suggested the actual number of people infected is far higher. Their paper analyzed travel patterns in China and known cases of the virus and used mathematical formula to estimate that more like 75,000 people had contracted the bug there as of Jan. 28.

That certainly would back up evidence that it spreads faster than SARS or MERS. But based on the number of reported deaths when the paper was published Friday, it would actually produce a mortality rate of just .2 per cent — akin to that of influenzas.

“We don’t freak out about seasonal flu, we experience it every year,” said Matthew Miller, a microbiologist who studies viruses at McMaster University. “The people most likely to die from seasonal flu are the elderly and the very young … The same is very likely to be true with this new coronavirus outbreak. The people who are at highest risk are the people at the highest risk for any type of infection.”

Canada has recorded four cases of the new pathogen, all individuals who had travelled recently to Wuhan.

Of course, even seasonal flu takes a heavy toll, and the Wuhan coronavirus is dispersing among a human population never exposed to it before, meaning people have no immunity.

“If we were not to take any kind of precautions … most of us would end up infected by it,” said Darryl Falzarano, a microbiologist at the University of Saskatchewan who is working on a vaccine for 2019-nCoV. “Are you OK with one in a hundred or one in a thousand people not surviving?”

The goal is to contain the new virus, to essentially snuff it out. But what if that were not possible and it became a regular part of the pool of human infectious disease?

The pathogen would not actually replace seasonal flus, but might not add much to the total amount of respiratory illness, said Miller. The body’s immune system produces both specific and general responses to a virus. That general immune response provides some latent, short-term protection against contracting another bug, he said.

And the number of deaths would likely end up similar to the respiratory-virus toll now, the same vulnerable parts of the population falling victim to either the flu or the novel coronavirus, suggested Miller.

But if the Wuhan coronavirus is not quite as frightening as first depicted, experts say a unique 21st-Century phenomenon – social media and the spread of false news – is making it harder to accurately inform the public.

“It’s the first time I’ve been involved in something like this where there seems to be so much active disinformation spread,” said Falzarano. “Things coming out that are just nonsense, and then are picked up by the media.”

https://nationalpost.com/health/new...-than-the-flu-despite-worldwide-alarm-experts

How are ya mate, how much is the CCP paying you today? You guys must be in overdrive trying to save "face".

 

[Vanguard One]

Beijing: The death toll in mainland China from coronavirus has risen by 81 to 780 in the latest figures, passing the 774 deaths recorded globally during the 2002-2003 pandemic of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).

Meanwhile an American has became the first confirmed non-Chinese victim of the new coronavirus.

A man bicycles past an empty street on February 8, 2020 in Wuhan, Hubei province, China. CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES


The 60-year old US citizen died on February 6 in Wuhan, the epicentre of the virus outbreak in the central Chinese province of Hubei, a US embassy spokesman said in Beijing.

A Japanese man in his 60s and in hospital with pneumonia in Wuhan also died after suffering symptoms consistent with the virus, Japan's foreign ministry said.


But owing to difficulties in diagnosing the disease, the cause of death was given as viral pneumonia, the ministry said, citing Chinese medical authorities.

As of midday on Thursday, 17 foreigners were being treated for the disease in quarantine in China, according to the latest government figures.

Two deaths have been reported outside of mainland China - in Hong Kong and the Philippines. Both victims were Chinese nationals. A Reuters count based on official reports show there are more than 330 cases outside China, in 27 countries and regions.

Most of the deaths in China have occurred in and around Wuhan. Hubei officials on Saturday reported 81 new deaths, 67 of those in Wuhan, a city in virtual lockdown. Across mainland China, the number of outstanding cases stood at 31,774.

While China is bearing the brunt of the virus, anxiety levels are spiking across Asia, with Japan alarmed by the rising number of cases aboard a quarantined cruise ship, major foreign companies pulling out of an international air show in Singapore, and Thailand losing money as Chinese tourists stay home.

Another three people on the cruise liner off Japan tested positive for coronavirus, bringing the total number of confirmed cases from the ship to 64, Japan's health ministry said.

Thailand reported seven new cases, including three Thais and four Chinese, bringing the total reported in the country to 32, among the world's highest number of infections outside of China.


Having already decided to suspend most flights from Monday between Taiwan to China, Taiwan's government said it would also suspend all direct passenger and freight shipping.

Hundreds of foreigners have been evacuated out of Wuhan over the past two weeks. A second evacuation plane to airlift Australians out of Wuhan was delayed after China did not give it clearance to land but has since taken off.

Reuters

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asi...american-death-confirmed-20200209-p53z2l.html

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I don't know what the fuss is considering 84,000 to 92,000 die of Influenza in China a year.

 

[t1000]

Beijing: The death toll in mainland China from coronavirus has risen by 81 to 780 in the latest figures, passing the 774 deaths recorded globally during the 2002-2003 pandemic of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).

Meanwhile an American has became the first confirmed non-Chinese victim of the new coronavirus.

A man bicycles past an empty street on February 8, 2020 in Wuhan, Hubei province, China. CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES


The 60-year old US citizen died on February 6 in Wuhan, the epicentre of the virus outbreak in the central Chinese province of Hubei, a US embassy spokesman said in Beijing.

A Japanese man in his 60s and in hospital with pneumonia in Wuhan also died after suffering symptoms consistent with the virus, Japan's foreign ministry said.


But owing to difficulties in diagnosing the disease, the cause of death was given as viral pneumonia, the ministry said, citing Chinese medical authorities.

As of midday on Thursday, 17 foreigners were being treated for the disease in quarantine in China, according to the latest government figures.

Two deaths have been reported outside of mainland China - in Hong Kong and the Philippines. Both victims were Chinese nationals. A Reuters count based on official reports show there are more than 330 cases outside China, in 27 countries and regions.

Most of the deaths in China have occurred in and around Wuhan. Hubei officials on Saturday reported 81 new deaths, 67 of those in Wuhan, a city in virtual lockdown. Across mainland China, the number of outstanding cases stood at 31,774.

While China is bearing the brunt of the virus, anxiety levels are spiking across Asia, with Japan alarmed by the rising number of cases aboard a quarantined cruise ship, major foreign companies pulling out of an international air show in Singapore, and Thailand losing money as Chinese tourists stay home.

Another three people on the cruise liner off Japan tested positive for coronavirus, bringing the total number of confirmed cases from the ship to 64, Japan's health ministry said.

Thailand reported seven new cases, including three Thais and four Chinese, bringing the total reported in the country to 32, among the world's highest number of infections outside of China.


Having already decided to suspend most flights from Monday between Taiwan to China, Taiwan's government said it would also suspend all direct passenger and freight shipping.

Hundreds of foreigners have been evacuated out of Wuhan over the past two weeks. A second evacuation plane to airlift Australians out of Wuhan was delayed after China did not give it clearance to land but has since taken off.

Reuters

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asi...american-death-confirmed-20200209-p53z2l.html

Wasn't a philipino the firsrt non-chinese victim?

 

[Uguduwa]

Wasn't a philipino the firsrt non-chinese victim?

No, he was Chinese. First non-Chinese victim is the Japanese man.

 

[beijingwalker]

You can write a letter to the medical expert this article quoted to challenge him.

Ok, there are tons of articles and reports comparing those two ongoing virus, I hope you can tell them all to shut up. Google and find them out.