New Book on PAF in 1971 war

[Windjammer]

India Pakistan Afghanistan Military Review: Pakistan Air Force in 1971 and Lt Col Dalims Version of Bangladesh Paperback – February 25, 2018
Lieutenant Colonel Dalim is famous for his role in the 1975 coup against Sheikh Mujeeb ur Rehman.

 

[Windjammer]

Some interesting facts and disclosure by the Bangladesh Army Lieutenant Colonel Dalim.....

''Colonel Dalim finds the Indians as the source of all evil and thinks that the Mukti Bahini could have overthrown the Pakistani state and liberated Bangladesh without Indian Army help.''

 

[usman012]

where is the link??

 

[Jf Thunder]

Some interesting facts and disclosure by the Bangladesh Army Lieutenant Colonel Dalim.....

''Colonel Dalim finds the Indians as the source of all evil and thinks that the Mukti Bahini could have overthrown the Pakistani state and liberated Bangladesh without Indian Army help.''

only if there was a laughing react

 

[Orca]

where is the link??

found this; but personally, I am not interested in this


Lieutenant Colonel Dalim is famous for his role in the 1975 coup against Sheikh Mujeeb ur Rehman. It is the ultimate tragedy of history that those who struggle against a state as part of an oppressed ethnic group , in the end seek sanctuary and asylum with their past perceived oppressors. Thus sons of leading Baloch freedom fighters and leading Baloch freedom fighters became Pakistani state assets in the end . Having finally discovered the bitter fact that the so called state that they perceived as oppressor was still better than their own ethnic compatriots. This is Colonel Dalims tragedy also. The style of the book is not ideal as it is based on paragraph headings and not chapters. Dalims style is highly personalized and the book is more a personal story or a personal account than a serious historic narrative. Since Colonel Dalim became a Pakistani asset , or one may state an intelligence asset , much of his narrative takes the official Pakistani line. Anti Indian , Anti Awami league etc . This is logical but not historically ideal. The book totally omits the fact that the great Bangladeshi freedom fighter Major Ziaur Rehman , who made the historic freedom announcement from radio Chittagong was not even an ethnic Bengali but a Bihari. Colonel Dalim finds the Indians as the source of all evil and thinks that the Mukti Bahini could have overthrown the Pakistani state and liberated Bangladesh without Indian Army help. Now, this is a totally utopian assumption.Without Indian military intervention it was impossible to create Bangladesh and whether Bengalis like it or not , Indian state was the midwife without whose active help Bangladesh would have been a still born dead baby or a total abortion. The second irony of the fact is that while Dalim constantly finds fault with Awami League and Sheikh Haseena Wajid , the hard fact is that Haseena has doubled the Bangladeshi army in last 7 or ten years and significanty increased its perks and privileges. Dalims book or rants will find limited readership outside Pakistan where the book has been published. At the personal level it is an interesting account , but that is where its merits end.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

not sure what this book is trying to prove here, but Col Dalim was the commander of Mukti Bani, his words just say it politely contains more weight then a mere ''environmental assistant's'' whose even field of expertise in in that not in Military Warfare or Strategic Studies.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Contrary to the belief---Col. Dalim is correct in his analysis---. Mukti Bahini would have succeeded without the indulgence of the Indian military---.

The restlessness and chaos they would have caused would have forced the parties to sit down and decide to go their own ways---.

It is ironic that one of Sheikh Mujib's thug humiliates and degrades a hero of banagladesh independence that results in the Sheikh's execution and over throw of a government---.

 

[Fieldmarshal]

Col. Dalim is a fool at the very least...
By Oct. 71 PA was conducting mopping up operations against muktibani in east Pakistan...ie muktibani for all practice purposes had been dealt with or forced to flee to India.
N that was the reason India had to enter the war physically..

 

[Armchair]

Col. Dalim is a fool at the very least...
By Oct. 71 PA was conducting mopping up operations against muktibani in east Pakistan...ie muktibani for all practice purposes had been dealt with or forced to flee to India.
N that was the reason India had to enter the war physically..

Fellow was there, a qualified military officer, fought the war, was a leader, and he was a "fool" while you are the great strategist that sits behind a computer and type away the great wisdoms of the world. Congrats.

PA blundered from one stupid mistake to another in 1971. They even fantasized they had "won" when the Mukti Bahini temporarily stopped operations to make way for the Indian Army, and not get caught in the middle. With fools like these, who needs enemies?

The irony of it - after "winning" within days, 90,000 forces surrendered to India. The whole narrative is just so ridiculous its unbelievable people buy it.

 

[PakShaheen79]

Fellow was there, a qualified military officer, fought the war, was a leader, and he was a "fool" while you are the great strategist that sits behind a computer and type away the great wisdoms of the world. Congrats.

PA blundered from one stupid mistake to another in 1971. They even fantasized they had "won" when the Mukti Bahini temporarily stopped operations to make way for the Indian Army, and not get caught in the middle. With fools like these, who needs enemies?

The irony of it - after "winning" within days, 90,000 forces surrendered to India. The whole narrative is just so ridiculous its unbelievable people buy it.

But again it is a similar circular argument. If MB was winning, why IA had to intervene? Why MB temporarily suspended ops while IA was preparing for an invasion? Doesn't make any sense. They were locals, familiar with terrain like the back of their hand, familiar with people, culture. Why IA risked their own rank by taking the front lines while MB could have proven a perfect spearheading force to illustrate PA targets for IA? Nothing makes sense in strategic thinking and there exist literature which supports the argument that IA artillery was providing cover to MB against PA forces in chase of these thugs when they were unable to face PA. The only explanation left is MB was indeed beaten back like TTP but at that time PA was thinned out across the long border with India (from 3 sides) and rest is history.

 

[Armchair]

Its only a circular argument for conceited minds. Why wouldn't MB want to win easier and faster, and lower its own casualties? You do know that MB was paid, trained and armed by the Indians and had many Sikhs and others in its ranks? So if IA wanted to take the cake, do you think MB could disagree?

Childish arguments.

 

[MastanKhan]

But again it is a similar circular argument. If MB was winning, why IA had to intervene? Why MB temporarily suspended ops while IA was preparing for an invasion? Doesn't make any sense. They were locals, familiar with terrain like the back of their hand, familiar with people, culture. Why IA risked their own rank by taking the front lines while MB could have proven a perfect spearheading force to illustrate PA targets for IA? Nothing makes sense in strategic thinking and there exist literature which supports the argument that IA artillery was providing cover to MB against PA forces in chase of these thugs when they were unable to face PA. The only explanation left is MB was indeed beaten back like TTP but at that time PA was thinned out across the long border with India (from 3 sides) and rest is history.

Hi,

MB was not TTP---. TTP are terrorists---MB had freedom and the backing of the public---and a nation to own---.

So---nothing in common---.

 

[Windjammer]

Fellow was there, a qualified military officer, fought the war, was a leader, and he was a "fool" while you are the great strategist that sits behind a computer and type away the great wisdoms of the world. Congrats.

PA blundered from one stupid mistake to another in 1971. They even fantasized they had "won" when the Mukti Bahini temporarily stopped operations to make way for the Indian Army, and not get caught in the middle. With fools like these, who needs enemies?

The irony of it - after "winning" within days, 90,000 forces surrendered to India. The whole narrative is just so ridiculous its unbelievable people buy it.

With those figures, you sir, are as much enlightened as the Indians one comes across on this forum.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

But what is the purpose of this book and this thread, what are we trying to imply?

 

[fanne]

Its only a circular argument for conceited minds. Why wouldn't MB want to win easier and faster, and lower its own casualties? You do know that MB was paid, trained and armed by the Indians and had many Sikhs and others in its ranks? So if IA wanted to take the cake, do you think MB could disagree?

Childish arguments.

indian army fought openly for bangalis .

But what is the purpose of this book and this thread, what are we trying to imply?

some people want to project major dalim as bangali hero .