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India is in the process of procuring new assault rifles to replace the indigenously-designed ‘INSAS’ (Indian Small Arms System) rifles, Defence Minister A.K. Antony said Wednesday.

“The proposal had been made last year, and technical evaluation of bids is in process,” the minister said in a written reply to the Rajya Sabha.

“The procuring will be done through a global route, with the transfer of technology to the Ordinance Factory Board,” Antony said.

“The INSAS rifle has been used by the Indian Army since 1994-95. Over the years, with technological advancement, superior assault rifles are now available,” Antony said.

New assault rifles to replace INSAS, says Antony | idrw.org
 
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A massive Shame.

Most countries in the world like Isreal, China first procure weapons from abroad and the slowy learn to build their own. But we Indias built our own riffles in the past but today we can't. Why was all these years wasted?? Why we didn't work and improve upon the INSAS to make them competitive??

We also made our own trainer planes in the past but today we have to import them. Our nation is going to dogs and we are not doing anything about it.
 
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so what are best assault rifles available in the market especially in russia,france and israel.
 
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It will be hard to digest ..we are knocking the doors of space & moon ..here our indigenous rifle project (rather dream) has become a blot.
 
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What the F!!!. :confused:

We can make ICBM but not a good quality Assault Rifle ?

Its Hard to digest.

what happen to Trichy Assault Rifle ?

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Don't be worry. We are also trying to get rid of G3.
 
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Army to get new assault rifles, junk INSAS :bounce:

NEW DELHI: The Army is getting ready to dump its indigenous INSAS rifles, which have suffered from glitches since their induction in 1994-95, in favour of new-generation assault rifles with interchangeable barrels for conventional warfare and counter-insurgency operations.

The humble foot-soldiers, often forgotten in the race to buy tanks, submarines and fighters, are also slated to get new close-quarter battle (CBQ) carbines, light machine guns (LMGs), specialized sniper rifles and anti-material "bunker-bursting" rifles.

However, Army chief General Bikram Singh has identified the acquisition of the new assault rifles for the 356 infantry battalions and some other "fighting and support arms" in the 1.13-million force as a "Priority-I" project, say sources.

Defence minister AK Antony told Rajya the Sabha on Wednesday that the project to replace the 5.56mm INSAS rifles was underway since "technological development has created more superior rifles over the years".

Sources say five foreign firms — Colt, Beretta, Sig Sauer, Ceska and Israel Weapon Industries (IWI) — are in the running to partner the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) in bagging the huge project that would eventually cost over Rs 10,000 crore.

Under it, initially 65,000 rifles will be bought directly from the selected foreign vendor, for an estimated Rs 4,850 crore, to equip the 120 infantry battalions deployed on the western and eastern fronts.

The OFB will subsequently produce over 113,000 rifles after getting transfer of technology (ToT) from the vendor. The project could become even bigger if the eight-lakh-strong paramilitary forces also induct these rifles.

"Technical evaluation of bids submitted by the five firms is over. The field evaluation trials will begin in early-2013. The plan is to begin inducting the new rifles by mid-2014," said a source.

The new rifles, weighing around 3.5-kg, will come with two barrels, apart from night-vision devices, laser designators, detachable under-barrel grenade launchers and the like.

The primary 5.56x45mm barrel will be for conventional warfare. The secondary 7.62x39mm one will be used for counter-insurgency operations due to "their higher rate of fire".

INSAS (Indian small arms system) rifles, weighing over 4.25-kg and with an effective range of just 450-metre, had replaced the earlier cumbersome 7.62mm self-loading rifles but they too have now become virtually obsolete. The Army had also been forced to import one lakh AK-47s, apart from using the ones seized in encounters, for counter-insurgency operations in J&K and the north-east.

The other procurement project already underway involves an initial purchase of 44,000 CQB carbines for around Rs 3,200 crore, with subsequent production of another 1,20,000 by OFB under ToT. "User trials of Beretta, Colt, Sig Sauer and IWI carbines are over now. The induction should begin by early-2014," said the source.

The process for LMGs and bipod sniper rifles will also kick off soon. The Army wants over 16,000 7.62x51mm LMGs and 3,500 sniper rifles, both with an effective 1-km range, for its infantry battalions to begin with. "The aim is to get light-weight weapons with more lethality and range," added the source.

Army to get new assault rifles, junk INSAS - The Times of India
 
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Don't be worry. We are also trying to get rid of G3.

There is a distinct difference between the G-3 in our use (for well over 50 years now) and the INSAS situation. The G-3 remains a sturdy weapon but perhaps dated. INSAS, being a concept coming into reality in the 90s, is nowhere close to being in the same boat. It has suffered issues that never existed with license produced G-3s. Sometimes national pride comes at the cost of logic. I believe the INSAS is one such case.
 
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There is a distinct difference between the G-3 in our use (for well over 50 years now) and the INSAS situation. The G-3 remains a sturdy weapon but perhaps dated. INSAS, being a concept coming into reality in the 90s, is nowhere close to being in the same boat. It has suffered issues that never existed with license produced G-3s. Sometimes national pride comes at the cost of logic. I believe the INSAS is one such case.

What are issues with INSAS ? I used this wepsys for 7 years and have no Complains.

Rationale of Changing it is 1) we can get a Lighter weapon 2) Two caliber rounds can be fired from same system.
 
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What are issues with INSAS ? I used this wepsys for 7 years and have no Complains.

Rationale of Changing it is 1) we can get a Lighter weapon 2) Two caliber rounds can be fired from same system.

3) Get ToT of a world class weapon system and use the knowledge to create next gen INSAS
 
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3) Get ToT of a world class weapon system and use the knowledge to create next gen INSAS

Sir - ToT is no issue. Issue is implementing the Knowledge to make a Better system.

INSAS is officially 4.6kg but unofficially is 4.8Kg..Now if I can get a Weapsys at 3.5Kgs with Redeye or scope included with Multibarrel oppertunity why the hell should I not go for it ??

... When INSAS with Scope hits 5Kgs...As a Infantary soldier imagine the additional rounds/ration I can carry....
 
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What are issues with INSAS ? I used this wepsys for 7 years and have no Complains.

Rationale of Changing it is 1) we can get a Lighter weapon 2) Two caliber rounds can be fired from same system.

Its quite logical. An infantry weapon brought into service in the 90s should have had a life of at least 30-40 years in service. INSAS certainly will not. Bringing into service an individual weapon in the 90s and then having to replace it in 15-20 years is certainly not cost effective any which way one looks at it, but that is not even the main point. The two issues you bring up would be the basic, fundamental requirements (specially if the rifle was still being worked on in the 90s when the capabilities you talk about were available in systems like Steyr and others) that would need to go into any development program for an individual weapon specially one that is planned for force-wide induction. The fallback plan has been to induct an even older design (AK-47s) for use with units involved in operations in built up areas etc. To any observer, the problems seems to be that the weapon system did not meet the requirements of the service and thus is facing replacement.
 
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Sir - ToT is no issue. Issue is implementing the Knowledge to make a Better system.

INSAS is officially 4.6kg but unofficially is 4.8Kg..Now if I can get a Weapsys at 3.5Kgs with Redeye or scope included with Multibarrel oppertunity why the hell should I not go for it ??

... When INSAS with Scope hits 5Kgs...As a Infantary soldier imagine the additional rounds/ration I can carry....

It still begs the question. Why was INSAS not improved? The INSAS complaints regarding weight, jamming, overheating have been heard frequently. I'm pretty sure that Failure Analysis Tests would have been done. What were their findings and why were those issues not fixed in the weapon.

Shoddy work by OFB. Though I can't blame the Army, they could have squeezed the manufacturer to improve the weapon.
 
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A US marine I know, fired Insas in exercises with Indian army.He said it was the worst weapon he has fired till date.
 
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