Netaji Subash Chandra Bose documentary

[jaibi]

At least he fought the British. It was also obscure what Tipu Sultan actually wanted. But his will to struggle against oppression is what is known about him and makes him a hero. All of India with the exception of fanatics like @KS and @fateh71 basically admire him... and lets not forget words like India in those times did not even exist in its national sense while the word Pakistan had not even been coined. So by what logic we link tipu sultan to Pakistan when he was the ruler of a southern indian kingdom?

Why can't we admire chandra bose if the Indians accept Tipu Sultan? As far as the fight against the British is concerned its our fight... its not India's, Pakistan's or someone else fight and we can't turn it into that... it was the fight of oppressed people against colonial occupation and that is our basic, fundamental right. Lets support his freedom struggle.

I completely agree with you, HaviZ and I've been through your website: good stuff there too. However, people like you are a minority. You've used common sense logic to construct your arguments and that is rare in our fellow countrymen, unfortunately. Yet, it's good to know that there are people like you on board. I agree with your analysis of Tipu sultan too. If Indians today have no problem accepting him as a hero then we shouldn't have a problem accepting Singh and Bose, either.

Its PDF then why Indian stupids bringing our great leaders into this forum and voluntarily getting disgrace for them. You people can't understand simple facts.

It's one thing to have diagreements, sir, quite another to argue the legitimacy of a national hero. If you've not looked at the responses fully then you should because many PAKISTANIS have defended Bose and his stature.

 

[aakash_2410]

I think Subhash Chandra Bose, Bhagat Singh, Chandra Shekhar Azad, Bismil, Tilak, Lala Lajpatray, Sardar Patel deserve more credit than they're given.

Gandhi and Nehru are over rated.

 

[PRINCE_THE_SHOWSTOPPER]

If Bose had succeeded, India would have joined the Axis.... it would have become a fascist state and a poodle of the Axis. India would have been bombed and perhaps even nuked, invaded and then split into countless pieces by the allies.

Conclusion: Bose is one of our greatest heroes without any doubt, but he had the wrong friendsa and if everything had gone according to his plans , God knows if we would be able talk about a republic called India.

if bose would have succeeded along with hitler then??? india would have got independance way before 1947,isn't it??? there could have been several things possible and not the only one that you r talking about..the only thing he did was the call of the hour...fight the british

 

[PRINCE_THE_SHOWSTOPPER]

After Bhaghat Singh

The achievements says otherwise.Bhagat Singh was a great patriot who laid down his life for his motherland...but netaji was the commander of indian national army,who dared a superpower and shook the very foundations an empire by taking the battle directly to the doorstep of the enemy

 

[Koovie]

if bose would have succeeded along with hitler then??? india would have got independance way before 1947,isn't it??? there could have been several things possible and not the only one that you r talking about..the only thing he did was the call of the hour...fight the british

India would have become a puppet of the axis, bombed by the allies, perhaps the nuclear bomb itself and later after defeat, India would have been at the mercy of the allies like germany, split into severaly occupation zones, which most likely would have never united into a single country.

Not even to mention the fact that it would not have become a republic but a fascist puppet state of the axis.

 

[jaibi]

I already seen rangeela Ghandi, womeniser nehru ,terrorist bhagat singh thread in PDF. We know well about Pakistanis and their intentions .

Sir, you are a nation of a billion and as such I believe that your nation is inhabited by a billion opinions many are stereotypical, many are anti-Pakistani yet many must be sane and logical. Similarly, we are a nation exceeding 180 million people and we have just as many opinions. If you look at one side of opinions please see the other side too.

 

[PRINCE_THE_SHOWSTOPPER]

India would have become a puppet of the axis, bombed by the allies, perhaps the nuclear bomb itself and later after defeat, India would have been at the mercy of the allies like germany, split into severaly occupation zones, which most likely would have never united into a single country.

Not even to mention the fact that it would not have become a republic but a fascist puppet state of the axis.

you didn't properly understand my post... what if netaji bose along with hitler was able to win the war against axis then??? netaji would have become the pm of india instead of #$%&* nehru and his blood line wouldn't have been looting our country for 65 years

 

[Sashan]

if bose would have succeeded along with hitler then??? india would have got independance way before 1947,isn't it??? there could have been several things possible and not the only one that you r talking about..the only thing he did was the call of the hour...fight the british

Read up the history - All the provinces were self governing themselves mostly since 1935. Bose was stupid to align with fascists and he would have only brought more trouble rather. Japan would have been a worse colonial power than British as experienced by the Chinese and Koreans. How do you assume they would have spared India? Remember Stalin and Hitler were cahoots initially and Hitler turned on Stalin. Same fate would have been waiting for India as well.

And even if India was independent, what is that policy Bose would have followed? - the same socialism which Nehru followed. So what difference it would have made for India? Bose was patriotic but at the same time stupid.

 

[Koovie]

you didn't properly understand my post... what if netaji bose along with hitler was able to win the war against axis then??? netaji would have become the pm of india instead of #$%&* nehru and his blood line wouldn't have been looting our country for 65 years

Hitler could never win the war. FACT. And I am sure that democracy would not have existed in a country made by the help of Hitler and his nazi henchmen, so we dont need to speak about any PM here.

Read up the history - All the provinces were self governing themselves mostly since 1935. Bose was stupid to align with fascists and he would have only brought more trouble rather. Japan would have been a worse colonial power than British as experienced by the Chinese and Koreans. How do you assume they would have spared India? Remember Stalin and Hitler were cahoots initially and Hitler turned on Stalin. Same fate would have been waiting for India as well.

And even if India was independent, what is that policy Bose would have followed? - the same socialism which Nehru followed. So what difference it would have made for India? Bose was patriotic but at the same time stupid.

I would not necessarily call him stupid for this. He first wanted to seek help from the Soviets, but they denied him access to their embassy in Afghanistan fearing that he might be a British agent. While the Italians granted him access. Thats how he got to the axis during the war.

Bose was a socialist and it pained him quite a lot that the Germans attacked the SU.

 

[Sashan]

Hitler could never win the war. FACT. And I am sure that democracy would not have existed in a country made by the help of Hitler and his nazi henchmen, so we dont need to speak about any PM here.



I would not necessarily call him stupid for this. He first wanted to seek help from the Soviets, but they denied him access to their embassy in Afghanistan fearing that he might be a British agent. While the Italians granted him access. Thats how he got to the axis during the war.

Bose was a socialist and it pained him quite a lot that the Germans attacked the SU.

Lets agree to disagree on how do we call him. Whether he sought the support of Soviets or the Germans - it does not make a difference. There are only two options still - if not for fascism it would have been communism or the other option is independence with Bose with his socialism(which dragged India for few more decades and kept it in poverty)

 

[jaibi]

Guys, why are you guys measuring him on 'if he'd succeeded' or 'if they'd succeeded'? We cannot re-write history, what's done is done. Why not see them as people who believed in something so strongly that they sacrificed their lives for it. How many of us can do that? How many of us know of people who could've done that? Why not see them as people rather than subjects of a history book? Just a perspective- to each his own in the end.

 

[ashokdeiva]

Sir, you are a nation of a billion and as such I believe that your nation is inhabited by a billion opinions many are stereotypical, many are anti-Pakistani yet many must be sane and logical. Similarly, we are a nation exceeding 180 million people and we have just as many opinions. If you look at one side of opinions please see the other side too.

after a long time one more crown jewel to the forum.
Bravo. I hope you retain your rational sense for ever even after seeing the mud sling that you are about to witness in PDF during your stay here.

Bravo, my salutes to you sir

Read up the history - All the provinces were self governing themselves mostly since 1935. Bose was stupid to align with fascists and he would have only brought more trouble rather. Japan would have been a worse colonial power than British as experienced by the Chinese and Koreans. How do you assume they would have spared India? Remember Stalin and Hitler were cahoots initially and Hitler turned on Stalin. Same fate would have been waiting for India as well.

And even if India was independent, what is that policy Bose would have followed? - the same socialism which Nehru followed. So what difference it would have made for India? Bose was patriotic but at the same time stupid.

The only difference is that we would have either had a quick poison and died as a nation or a quick progressing nation with out blood line politics.
Now we are consuming slow poison under the blood line politics and are slowly dieing as a nation with out realizing it.
Hope you got the difference what I am saying

 

[ashokdeiva]

Lets agree to disagree on how do we call him. Whether he sought the support of Soviets or the Germans - it does not make a difference. There are only two options still - if not for fascism it would have been communism or the other option is independence with Bose with his socialism(which dragged India for few more decades and kept it in poverty)

so you say that based on your financial status that INDIA had better accomplished. Look arround again. we are plundered by the very corporates and politicians we are supporting today.
Subash would have made sure that no one dies of hunger today in INDIA. he does not have a special reservation for one group of people, all he saw was his country men.
I am proud that after Bengal, TN had and has the most number of people who belived in the ideologies of SUBASH CHANDRA BOSE

 

[Sashan]

so you say that based on your financial status that INDIA had better accomplished. Look arround again. we are plundered by the very corporates and politicians we are supporting today.
Subash would have made sure that no one dies of hunger today in INDIA. he does not have a special reservation for one group of people, all he saw was his country men.
I am proud that after Bengal, TN had and has the most number of people who belived in the ideologies of SUBASH CHANDRA BOSE

Stop obsessing with my financial status (Yes - I am saying obsession as this is the second time my financial status has been a topic of discussion here.)

Apart from that look at the pre-1991 and post-1991 changes - Every year about 40 million is being pulled out from poverty and the world bank statistics say that India would have less than 200 million in BPL by 2021. This happened after the socialism was gotten rid of. You may believe in Bose's ideology which is nothing but Nehru's ideology(socialism) but history has proved both these people(along with Azad) were wrong.

The only difference is that we would have either had a quick poison and died as a nation or a quick progressing nation with out blood line politics.
Now we are consuming slow poison under the blood line politics and are slowly dieing as a nation with out realizing it.
Hope you got the difference what I am saying

I don't get the difference as I am in disagreement with you. By the above example, if the middleclass population is increasing, dynasty politics will be layed to rest as there won't be 400 odd million BPL population voting for money and other perks plus minorities afraid of right wing organizations voting for these people post 2020. Take Indian members here in the same PDF - these people are not born rich - these people have gained through the 1991 liberalization and computer literacy and many work in IT sector and these people are anti-congress mostly. Likewise there are millions who are moving into middleclass and will be anti-pseudosecular. In short, I am much more positive about India's future.

 

[Babbar-Khalsa]

bhartis are liars and cheats.....neta chandar bose was hitler's best friend,he was picked from the coast of mumbai by a nazi u-boat and was smuggled into germany...he also had tea onboard u-boat... and yet indians also call israel their best friend..
if indians love him so much why did they made chacha gandhi the father of nation and not chandar boss.

first learn to speak his name well , it is Subhash Chandra Bose . Now some points :-

1. He met with Hitler to get help in raising a force of undivided Inida . That India which had Pakistan also . So , indirectly he was raising a force for freeing your ancestors also.

2. Its not chacha gandhi , its mahatma gandhi and chacha Nehru . You dont know anything . India , people still remember him . Father of nation was a title suitable for Mahatma Gandhi only , which even Subhash chandra Bose had advocated.

3. He never supported Nazis killing jews . Also , his getting help with hitler and India becoming friends with Israel are two different things .

4. likewise , i can also that your countrymen are liars , because in Afghanistan-russia war they supported Afghans and now they themselves waging a war on Afghans .