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By Noah Feldman
The violence in the Terai plain of Nepal over the last six weeks may not be on your radar screen. But the blockade of the Nepal-India border created by armed groups from the Madhesi ethnic minority actually has global significance.

The reason is surprising: On Sept. 20, Nepal ratified a new constitution after a fitful and frustrating eight-year process. You'd think this would be good news, heralding an era of good feelings. Instead, ratification drove the Madhesis into something very like open revolt.

Thus, a question of universal relevance: Why do some constitutions work, and others fail? Put another way, what's the essence of a constitutional deal that enables it to succeed?

There is, I think, an intuitive answer to this question. Most people, asked what a constitution is for, would say that it’s an agreement among the majority of the people on how they want to be governed. The U.S. Constitution starts with the words “We the people.” We know that this doesn't literally mean every single one of the people. So we think that, in a democracy, the constitution reflects the ideal of majority rule.

But that answer is wrong. Constitutions exist as much or more to protect minorities as they do to facilitate majority agreement.

That majority-favoring view certainly drove the constitutional deal reached in Nepal. The odyssey started in 2001, when the crown prince killed his father, mother, siblings, one of his uncles and several aunts before shooting himself. In the aftermath, the new king, a brother of the murdered one, struggled to rule. Maoist rebels traded violence for participation in a significant nationwide protest movement, which ultimately led to the abolition of the monarchy.

Elections for a constituent assembly took place in 2008. The Maoists won a plurality but not a majority. Under an interim constitution, they formed a coalition government, with the Congress Party of Nepal in opposition.

From 2009 until this year, through government turnovers and new elections, the constitutional process failed to produce a document that could garner the agreement of the major political parties. The chief sticking point was that the Maoists and Congress couldn't agree on how to share power, even after 2013 elections gave Congress and other so-called traditional parties a greater position in the assembly than the Maoists.

The terrible earthquakes this past April and May broke the impasse. The major parties finally agreed to adopt a federal system, in principle well-suited to the country's many divisions, which include caste, geography, ethnicity and as many as 100 languages.

One key to the agreement was that the big parties agreed to reduce the degree of proportional representation from the interim constitution. Proportional representation is a way of electing representatives that makes it easier for small groups to get their favored candidates into office. The big parties therefore had a common interest in reducing its effects, because they anticipated that their share of the total of elected representatives would go up even if their number of votes didn’t change.

From the standpoint of majoritarian democratic politics, the new constitution should’ve been a winner. Not all Nepalis liked it -- but a big majority did.

One hotbed of opposition was the Terai region, along the border with India. Madhesis there objected to the reduction in proportional representation. They also didn’t like a constitutional provision that makes it difficult for the children of a Nepali woman and a foreign man to become citizens. This provision was much more likely to be relevant in a border region, where ethnic and familial ties with India produce mixed marriages.

The majority view was, plausibly enough, that minorities can’t get everything they want in a constitutional negotiation. But what the majority parties forgot is that, if you treat minorities too cavalierly in the final constitutional deal, you leave them no option but to respond with violence.

Groups that dissent from a constitutional deal by creating disorder are known in the constitution-making business as “spoilers.” They take a big risk when they resort to violence, because the majority may respond with force, as the Nepali government has done. Typically, spoilers judge that, having failed to exert their will democratically, they can gain permanent concessions by demonstrating their capacity to freeze the system.

In the case of the Madhesis, that spoiling capacity is significant. India is Nepal's largest trading partner. With the border to India blockaded, Nepal must look to China for energy and other supplies. Prices will inevitably rise.

Eventually, one of two things will happen. Either the state will suppress the Terai blockade and the Madhesis will be forced to knuckle under, or the state will make constitutional concessions to the spoilers. The spoilers think that in the first scenario they will be no worse off than they already were. In the second scenario, they will be better off.

The upshot is that constitutions aren’t just about effectuating the will of the democratic majority. To a large extent, they're also about placating minorities and protecting them.

Minority protection can range from morally desirable -- like protecting equal rights and free political participation -- to payoffs for spoilers who make lots of trouble. In U.S. constitutional history, the first minority that thought it needed protecting was property-holding creditors, who feared wealth redistribution.

The second major minority that sought and got constitutional protection was Southern slaveholding whites. It was only in the post-World War II era that American constitutional law started seeing the protection of religious and racial minorities as a key task.

A constitution that can’t produce peace will soon become a failed constitution. Nepal’s new constitution has a relatively short window to work. Those who drafted it should settle on a strategy soon. And if history is any guide, their best bet will be to make concessions to the spoilers, and protect their interests -- even if it’s more than they deserve.

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The foolish belief in India's power has worked against Nepal and us

Delhi has to convince Kathmandu that it cannot pull strings to make people rise up, and then sit down.

Omair Ahmad

In the midst of Bhutan's national elections in 2013, India unexpectedly cut the LPG/kerosene subsidy. The incumbent party, the Druk Phuensum Tshogpa, led by Bhutan's first democratically elected Prime Minister, Jigme Yoeser Thinley, lost the elections badly. And Thinley found himself out of a job, replaced by a man who promised to stay on the right side of India. Many commentators have linked India's decision to a handshake by Thinley with the Chinese premier, Wen Jiabao on the sidelines of a summit in Rio in 2012. The meeting had not been coordinated with India, and since India shelters Bhutan within its security architecture, this meeting was seen as the deepest betrayal. To the conspiracy mongers, India's withdrawal of subsidy was a brilliant and sinister move by a powerful and intolerant neighbour to control and dominate the tiny, landlocked Bhutan.

Like any good conspiracy theory, large parts of this story are true. Thinley did not coordinate his meeting with the Chinese with India, violating Article 2 of the India-Bhutan Friendship Treaty of 2007. It did upset India, maybe enough for India to express its displeasure. Nevertheless that is not why Thinley's party lost his election. Bhutan has two rounds of elections, with the second round a run off between the two biggest parties.

In the first round the DPT received 44.5 per cent of the votes; the three Opposition parties received the rest. In the second round the DPT received slightly more, just over 45 per cent of the votes, but as the Opposition parties had transferred their vote to the one remaining party in the elections, the People's Democratic Party, the DPT lost. India's short suspension of the LPG/kerosene subsidy, which happened between the two rounds of elections, resulting in a slightly increased vote share in favour of the DPT. The impact had been minimal - and in the wrong direction.

What a lot of people observing Bhutan from afar had chosen to ignore was that under the leadership of the DPT, Bhutan had experienced a rolling economic crisis. Although not necessarily of the making of the DPT, it had been handled badly. The Bhutanese currency, the Ngultrum, is pegged at 1:1 to the Indian rupee, but at the border it was being traded at 5:6, and as Bhutan imports more than 80 per cent of its goods from India, the crisis hit people in their pocket - at the cost of vegetables. Furthermore during the first term, both the Home Minister and the Speaker of the Legislature were convicted on corruption charges, despite the Attorney General appointed by the DPT refusing to undertake the prosecution. The newly established newspapers spread the news of both the economic and political problems to the public at large. India was not the only one unhappy with Thinley, but ascribing his defeat to India allowed Thinley to portray himself as a martyr, and to avoid acknowledging his mistakes and growing unpopularity.

From Bhutan to Nepal

It is important to remember this example now as we look at India-Nepal relations. Our relations with our neighbour are at an all-time low. The spectacle of both India and Nepal accusing each other of misbehaviour in the UN is hardly pleasant. For the last two months the Nepali government has accused India of enforcing a "blockade", while India has maintained that the "blockade" is an internal problem, with Nepal's Madhesi and Tharu populations protesting against unfair clauses in the newly promulgated Nepali Constitution. Nepal's elite, foremost among them two of Nepal's six deputy ministers Kamal Thapa and CP Mainali, have alleged that India is using Madhesis as a fifth column to undermine Nepal's sovereignty. The insinuation is that because Madhesis have ties of family and friends in India, their loyalty is divided.

This is incredibly stupid. No section of the Nepali polity has as many and as strong ties of family and interest than the Kathmandu elite. These include the many ties through marriages between Nepali and Indian aristocrats. It also includes the many, many senior officers that man Nepal's armed forces, that have thrown training at the Indian National Defence Academy and the Indian Military Academy. It includes the thousands of Gorkhas who have served in the Indian armed forces, and their families that continue to receive pensions to this day.

If India could so easily call upon its contacts, its loyalists who are tied to India by ties of blood and gold, why aren't the aristocracy and military of Nepal dancing to India's tune? The answer is simple. The Constitution passed by the Nepali Constituent Assembly discriminates against the Madhesis and Tharus. It discriminates in favour of the aristocracy and the military. Therefore the Madhesis and Tharus protest, and the military and aristocracy do not.

Where do we go from here?

The belief in India's power among Nepalis is a convenient way for the current Nepali government to pass off its failures on India. Unfortunately, India has only exacerbated this situation by acting as it too believes it has immense power in Nepal. Despite almost 70 years of evidence that the Kathmandu elite is willing to do anything except share power - including endure a grinding, decade-long civil war - India allowed itself to be lulled into complacency that this would not happen this time around. This willfull blindness was shattered when the terms in the Nepali Constitution were revealed.

Here India committed its second mistake, reinforcing the first. By sending the Indian foreign secretary to scold the Nepali government, India showed only arrogance. What was the government thinking; that India was so powerful that it could compel another country to rewrite terms of its Constitution at short notice? Of course, this was rejected, but this unfortunate demonstration of hubris lends credence to the belief that India would use force to compel Nepal to its desires. The foolish belief in India's power has worked against both Nepal and India's interests.

If we are to move forward successfully it must be with a true understanding of both India's power and its limits. India has to convince Nepal's government that it cannot pull strings to make people rise up, and then sit down. This can only happen if the interests of those that are protesting are addressed. It must be taken for granted that these concerns will only be addressed in part, but they must be addressed. It is in the interest of both India and Nepal that peace and stability return to Nepal. It is past time that the leadership of both countries start working towards that, rather than trying to wrestle with the phantom of India's assumed omnipotence.

 
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One hotbed of opposition was the Terai region, along the border with India. Madhesis there objected to the reduction in proportional representation.
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This exactly what I was talking to a Nepalese friend of mine yesterday.
There are few things about their new constitution that the people in Tarai region opposed
1. They would not get the right to vote, if they had migrated from India. (or something to that effect).
2. The girls who get married to Indians might also loose their constitutional rights.
well, this is what I gathered from the conversation.
What came to me as a shock was his revelation that more and more Nepalese now hold anti-India views, specially after the blockade.
the Terai blockade and the Madhesis will be forced to knuckle under, or the state will make constitutional concessions to the spoilers
My friend told me that the chances of government making concessions are pretty low.

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Our relations with our neighbour are at an all-time low.

To the conspiracy mongers, India's withdrawal of subsidy was a brilliant and sinister move by a powerful and intolerant neighbour to control and dominate the tiny, landlocked Bhutan.
India was not the only one unhappy with Thinley, but ascribing his defeat to India allowed Thinley to portray himself as a martyr, and to avoid acknowledging his mistakes and growing unpopularity.

The belief in India's power among Nepalis is a convenient way for the current Nepali government to pass off its failures on India
The foolish belief in India's power has worked against both Nepal and India's interests.
All this is so true, this is what that guy had told me.
If not anything India's relationship with its north western neighbors have touched rock bottom, which would work in China's favor- not something that India will be happy about.
India has to convince Nepal's government that it cannot pull strings to make people rise up, and then sit down.
I am afraid its already too late to mend our relations.
 
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I think the moment India starts "discussing" Nepal in public is the day we loose the plot.

Nepal is an Sovereign nation and they must be left to themselves to form their own constitution. ANY encouragement from us must be behind the scene.

The moment the discussion become public, it will be interference in their affairs.


It will be like the US "discussing" the Middle East for the last 60 years and matters getting progressively worse.
 
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I think the moment India starts "discussing" Nepal in public is the day we loose the plot.

Nepal is an Sovereign nation and they must be left to themselves to form their own constitution. ANY encouragement from us must be behind the scene.

The moment the discussion become public, it will be interference in their affairs.


It will be like the US "discussing" the Middle East for the last 60 years and matters getting progressively worse.

Exactly. I think the GoI was a little lazy and believed some of the assurances given in private by Nepali politicians. They also didn't get a good grip on some of their guys going off on a tangent about secularism, Hindu republic etc. It allowed for the Hill parties in Nepal to play their cards using the India bogey & present GoI with a fait accompi. I think that they assumed that India would be angry but would do little more than holding back funds. Once this blew up, they were taken aback by the response but also didn't see a point to back off, nor could they do so easily.

Ugly scene. Especially after Modi had done so much on the optics.
 
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Exactly. I think the GoI was a little lazy and believed some of the assurances given in private by Nepali politicians. They also didn't get a good grip on some of their guys going off on a tangent about secularism, Hindu republic etc. It allowed for the Hill parties in Nepal to play their cards using the India bogey & present GoI with a fait accompi. I think that they assumed that India would be angry but would do little more than holding back funds. Once this blew up, they were taken aback by the response but also didn't see a point to back off, nor could they do so easily.

Ugly scene. Especially after Modi had done so much on the optics.

I agree Modi and GoI messed up. Sushma Swaraj was required to have got involved directly w.r.t our Neighbours. Modi is focused in looking at the "Big Picture" with G-20, BRICS etc.

Jaishankar too seems to have taken his eyes off the ball. Not an inspiring picture.
 
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This was the key point. Too much PMO, not enough Sushma . The PM should not be seen to get too involved in these matters, Sushma should be the point person with all our neighbours. Even with Pakistan.

This protocol is already established. It is Sushma who regularly deal with our Neighbours including Pakistan.

But as they say, the buck stops with Modi so end of the day its his @ss on the line.
 
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This protocol is already established. It is Sushma who regularly deal with our Neighbours including Pakistan.

But as they say, the buck stops with Modi so end of the day its his @ss on the line.

Yup, the buck should stop with him, unfortunately in too many of these matters, the PMO ends up acting as the doorman too.
 
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I agree Modi and GoI messed up. Sushma Swaraj was required to have got involved directly w.r.t our Neighbours. Modi is focused in looking at the "Big Picture" with G-20, BRICS etc.

Jaishankar too seems to have taken his eyes off the ball. Not an inspiring picture.

agreed this whole affair was a avoidable tragedy
 
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The foolish belief in India's power has worked against Nepal and us

Delhi has to convince Kathmandu that it cannot pull strings to make people rise up, and then sit down.

Omair Ahmad
http://www.dailyo.in/user/6886/omairtahmad
In the midst of Bhutan's national elections in 2013, India unexpectedly cut the LPG/kerosene subsidy. The incumbent party, the Druk Phuensum Tshogpa, led by Bhutan's first democratically elected Prime Minister, Jigme Yoeser Thinley, lost the elections badly. And Thinley found himself out of a job, replaced by a man who promised to stay on the right side of India. Many commentators have linked India's decision to a handshake by Thinley with the Chinese premier, Wen Jiabao on the sidelines of a summit in Rio in 2012. The meeting had not been coordinated with India, and since India shelters Bhutan within its security architecture, this meeting was seen as the deepest betrayal. To the conspiracy mongers, India's withdrawal of subsidy was a brilliant and sinister move by a powerful and intolerant neighbour to control and dominate the tiny, landlocked Bhutan.

Like any good conspiracy theory, large parts of this story are true. Thinley did not coordinate his meeting with the Chinese with India, violating Article 2 of the India-Bhutan Friendship Treaty of 2007. It did upset India, maybe enough for India to express its displeasure. Nevertheless that is not why Thinley's party lost his election. Bhutan has two rounds of elections, with the second round a run off between the two biggest parties.

In the first round the DPT received 44.5 per cent of the votes; the three Opposition parties received the rest. In the second round the DPT received slightly more, just over 45 per cent of the votes, but as the Opposition parties had transferred their vote to the one remaining party in the elections, the People's Democratic Party, the DPT lost. India's short suspension of the LPG/kerosene subsidy, which happened between the two rounds of elections, resulting in a slightly increased vote share in favour of the DPT. The impact had been minimal - and in the wrong direction.

What a lot of people observing Bhutan from afar had chosen to ignore was that under the leadership of the DPT, Bhutan had experienced a rolling economic crisis. Although not necessarily of the making of the DPT, it had been handled badly. The Bhutanese currency, the Ngultrum, is pegged at 1:1 to the Indian rupee, but at the border it was being traded at 5:6, and as Bhutan imports more than 80 per cent of its goods from India, the crisis hit people in their pocket - at the cost of vegetables. Furthermore during the first term, both the Home Minister and the Speaker of the Legislature were convicted on corruption charges, despite the Attorney General appointed by the DPT refusing to undertake the prosecution. The newly established newspapers spread the news of both the economic and political problems to the public at large. India was not the only one unhappy with Thinley, but ascribing his defeat to India allowed Thinley to portray himself as a martyr, and to avoid acknowledging his mistakes and growing unpopularity.

From Bhutan to Nepal

It is important to remember this example now as we look at India-Nepal relations. Our relations with our neighbour are at an all-time low. The spectacle of both India and Nepal accusing each other of misbehaviour in the UN is hardly pleasant. For the last two months the Nepali government has accused India of enforcing a "blockade", while India has maintained that the "blockade" is an internal problem, with Nepal's Madhesi and Tharu populations protesting against unfair clauses in the newly promulgated Nepali Constitution. Nepal's elite, foremost among them two of Nepal's six deputy ministers Kamal Thapa and CP Mainali, have alleged that India is using Madhesis as a fifth column to undermine Nepal's sovereignty. The insinuation is that because Madhesis have ties of family and friends in India, their loyalty is divided.

This is incredibly stupid. No section of the Nepali polity has as many and as strong ties of family and interest than the Kathmandu elite. These include the many ties through marriages between Nepali and Indian aristocrats. It also includes the many, many senior officers that man Nepal's armed forces, that have thrown training at the Indian National Defence Academy and the Indian Military Academy. It includes the thousands of Gorkhas who have served in the Indian armed forces, and their families that continue to receive pensions to this day.

If India could so easily call upon its contacts, its loyalists who are tied to India by ties of blood and gold, why aren't the aristocracy and military of Nepal dancing to India's tune? The answer is simple. The Constitution passed by the Nepali Constituent Assembly discriminates against the Madhesis and Tharus. It discriminates in favour of the aristocracy and the military. Therefore the Madhesis and Tharus protest, and the military and aristocracy do not.

Where do we go from here?

The belief in India's power among Nepalis is a convenient way for the current Nepali government to pass off its failures on India. Unfortunately, India has only exacerbated this situation by acting as it too believes it has immense power in Nepal. Despite almost 70 years of evidence that the Kathmandu elite is willing to do anything except share power - including endure a grinding, decade-long civil war - India allowed itself to be lulled into complacency that this would not happen this time around. This willfull blindness was shattered when the terms in the Nepali Constitution were revealed.

Here India committed its second mistake, reinforcing the first. By sending the Indian foreign secretary to scold the Nepali government, India showed only arrogance. What was the government thinking; that India was so powerful that it could compel another country to rewrite terms of its Constitution at short notice? Of course, this was rejected, but this unfortunate demonstration of hubris lends credence to the belief that India would use force to compel Nepal to its desires. The foolish belief in India's power has worked against both Nepal and India's interests.

If we are to move forward successfully it must be with a true understanding of both India's power and its limits. India has to convince Nepal's government that it cannot pull strings to make people rise up, and then sit down. This can only happen if the interests of those that are protesting are addressed. It must be taken for granted that these concerns will only be addressed in part, but they must be addressed. It is in the interest of both India and Nepal that peace and stability return to Nepal. It is past time that the leadership of both countries start working towards that, rather than trying to wrestle with the phantom of India's assumed omnipotence.

Awesome article.
 
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This is the similar story with all of India's smaller neighbors.. Indian foreign policy viz a viz it's immediate neighborhood is like a bull in a China shop.. In all the cases is it's excuse to interfere in internal affairs of sovereign nations sighting the protection of minorities with Indian origin, Every time ends up with disaster both interms of bilateral relations and conflict

The second article posted is another condescending example of that

The irony is in historical context.. Most these so called Indian origin minorities are products of British colonialism, Implanting hoards of Indians in the whole of the region and beyond as colonial slave labor, Completely decimating natural demographics of those countries, Now a burden on stability

This can be seen from Fiji to Malaysia and Sri Lanka to East Africa
 
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The irony is in historical context.. Most these so called Indian origin minorities are products of British colonialism, Implanting hoards of Indians in the whole of the region and beyond as colonial slave labor, Completely decimating natural demographics of those countries, Now a burden on stability

Tamils have been living in SL for atleast 2000 plus years now.
Even Basic wiki will tell you this
Sri Lankan Tamils - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Madhesis are of Indian ethnic origin, and have always been living there aswell since eternity, Buddha himself was a part of the Shakya tribes of Bihar and UP (Shakya muni hence).

Burghers are more products of European colonialism than any of these populations :lol:
 
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Tamils have been living in SL for atleast 2000 plus years now.
Even Basic wiki will tell you this
Sri Lankan Tamils - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Madhesis are of Indian ethnic origin, and have always been living there aswell since eternity, Buddha himself was a part of the Shakya tribes of Bihar and UP (Shakya muni hence).

Burghers are more products of European colonialism than any of these populations :lol:

Not the vast majority of them.. Most of the so called Sri Lankan Tamils in the northern hinterland and the East are slave labor bought over by the Dutch in the 16th century from Malabar and Corromandel Coasts in South India and the rest (Plantation Tamils) by the Brits in the 19th century

As for Buddhas origins.. India did not exist at his time.. The the borders of what's now India was drawn by the Brits, Let alone of those states, If not it would may well have been Nepal.. So it's hilarious to assume his identity as Indian
 
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