Nepal to be Hindu state after BJP wins India polls'

[INDIC]

not economic,i am talking about joining china or acting as a vassal of china.

I am against economic blockades because it hurts the poor people and they start getting antagonistic towards India,which is not fair.

Most of the Nepalese take extreme pride that Nepal wasn't ruled by outsiders, so they will preserve their distinct identity of self rule. The Nepalese see their nationalistic identity originating with Prithvi Narayan Shah when he united entire Nepal, that idea is very strong.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

In my opinion, we're better off secular. We don't want to be stuck in the feudal past.

Being Hindu is not being feudal. On the other hand being secular also you can remain feudal. It's your country - come to a consensus and decide. A little bit of socialism can help in the beginning for a feudal society. But after feudalism is gone, free market is the best way to go. My opinion

 

[Eelam4Lyfe]

Nepal and India should become Hindu states and then they should invade Sri Lanka and free Tamil Eelam creating a Hindu Brotherhood nation.

 

[abjktu]

Nepal and India should become Hindu states and then they should invade Sri Lanka and free Tamil Eelam creating a Hindu Brotherhood nation.

pothumppa,neenga eezhaththamizhana??

 

[enigma123]

Being Hindu is not being feudal. On the other hand being secular also you can remain feudal. It's your country - come to a consensus and decide. A little bit of socialism can help in the beginning for a feudal society. But after feudalism is gone, free market is the best way to go. My opinion

I never equated being Hindu with being feudal but Nepal's social structure is such that a feudal system was set up with a Hindu monarchy at the helm. I have nothing against Hinduism (I was born into a Hindu family myself!) but think the state and religion need to be separate. In that regard, India is way ahead of Nepal because it started out as a secular state from the get go. I also agree that Hinduism's character is such that it is open to pluralism and thus, achieving a secular state has not been as difficult as in other societies.

Nepal does need to open up its economy and further integration with regional markets is a must for it to grow economically.

Looking forward to hearing your opinions on these matters!

Nepal and India should become Hindu states and then they should invade Sri Lanka and free Tamil Eelam creating a Hindu Brotherhood nation.

How about no?

Most of the Nepalese take extreme pride that Nepal wasn't ruled by outsiders, so they will preserve their distinct identity of self rule. The Nepalese see their nationalistic identity originating with Prithvi Narayan Shah when he united entire Nepal, that idea is very strong.

Exactly! A lot of folks don't understand this and you've hit it right at the mark. Yes, Nepal is majority Hindu; yes, it has cultural/linguistic/historical ties with states that later on formed the present day country of India but we have an identity that developed separate from India. In fact, the strand of Hinduism you find in Nepal is pretty different from that in India. Of course, I'm generalizing because each ethnic groups has its own approach to Hinduism. But you find a lot of intermingling with Buddhism as well. Also, tantric influences can be seen as well (meat is widely eaten throughout Nepal and many festivals are marked by animal sacrifices).

Like I've said, South Asian states need more interaction at the social level. We don't know each other enough to understand why we have so many political differences.

 

[enigma123]

Lot of talk about BJP/RSS & Nepal here.

Let me give you an insider's view.

We want Nepal to be independent/self sufficient and on their own.

But if Nepal allows China to meddle in the region,we ll not show any mercy just because Nepal has a lot of Hindus.

We have a big issue with Maoists and if Nepal doesn't fix the issue of its political party,we wont be sitting n watching.

So you want Nepal to be independent but you don't want it to develop relations with China? Don't you think that's a contradiction?

I understand the concern for India in regards to China's increasing influence in South Asia. But let me give you an insider's view (from Nepal). The Nepalese elite have always attempted to balance India and China. The fate of being a buffer between the two largest countries in the world in terms of population is a daunting task. Just like you as an Indian have the responsibility to think of your country's interests, I have a same duty towards Nepal. Our interests might not always align due to differing geopolitical, economic, and social conditions. Given this reality, it is inevitable that China will make its presence felt in the region. It is a growing power and it will assert itself in Asia. Do you think Nepal can counter that even when India has a hard time dealing with China?

I just wanted to invite you to think in terms of interstate relations and perhaps, ponder upon how more trust can be built between India and Nepal.

 

[INDIC]

Exactly! A lot of folks don't understand this and you've hit it right at the mark. Yes, Nepal is majority Hindu; yes, it has cultural/linguistic/historical ties with states that later on formed the present day country of India but we have an identity that developed separate from India. In fact, the strand of Hinduism you find in Nepal is pretty different from that in India. Of course, I'm generalizing because each ethnic groups has its own approach to Hinduism. But you find a lot of intermingling with Buddhism as well. Also, tantric influences can be seen as well (meat is widely eaten throughout Nepal and many festivals are marked by animal sacrifices).

Like I've said, South Asian states need more interaction at the social level. We don't know each other enough to understand why we have so many political differences.

It has more to do with different path of history in last few centuries with Mughals, Marathas, princely states, British rule and rise of Indian nationalism under Indian National Congress while Nepal was under the monarchy created by Prithvi Narayan Shah and protected this kingdom even under stress from the British while the princely states under British couldn't survived under the wave of rising Indian nationalism.

So you want Nepal to be independent but you don't want it to develop relations with China? Don't you think that's a contradiction?

Your closeness with China is not an issue, the main concern is the misuse of Nepalese territory against India because Nepal and Bhutan aren't like just any other neighbours of India.

 

[enigma123]

It has more to do with different path of history in last few centuries with Mughals, Marathas, princely states, British rule and rise of Indian nationalism under Indian National Congress while Nepal was under the monarchy created by Prithvi Narayan Shah and protected this kingdom even under stress from the British while the princely states under British couldn't survived under the wave of rising Indian nationalism.


Your closeness with China is not an issue, the main concern is the misuse of Nepalese territory against India because Nepal and Bhutan aren't like just any other neighbours of India.

King Prithvi Narayan Shah realized early on that Nepal couldn't survive if it wasn't to accept the reality of its presence in between two giants. Thus, we pursued a policy of isolation since the country's inception realizing that any British infiltration would subsequently lead to colonization. All of the kings and elites of Nepal did their best to the British out and repeatedly refused trade links. In addition, the geography of Nepal was not kind to strangers. Also, Nepalese nationalism has been strongly ingrained and reinforced by the kings repeatedly.

Could you elaborate on the misuse of Nepalese territory against India? Are you referring to the arrests of several militants in the past few months?

 

[INDIC]

King Prithvi Narayan Shah realized early on that Nepal couldn't survive if it wasn't to accept the reality of its presence in between two giants. Thus, we pursued a policy of isolation since the country's inception realizing that any British infiltration would subsequently lead to colonization. All of the kings and elites of Nepal did their best to the British out and repeatedly refused trade links. In addition, the geography of Nepal was not kind to strangers. Also, Nepalese nationalism has been strongly ingrained and reinforced by the kings repeatedly.

Most of Indians see the idea of historical India/Bharat varsha as the inspiration for Indian nationalism and it goes beyond the current border of India into Pakistan and Bangladesh. During British rule, even Portuguese ruled Goa and French ruled Pondicherry could escape this rising Indian nationalism. Many Indians see Nepal as a extension of this historical India because of the common culture and it has nothing to with expansionist attitude as many Indophobic people try to portray.

Could you elaborate on the misuse of Nepalese territory against India? Are you referring to the arrests of several militants in the past few months?

Entering in India from Nepal is very easy thing. Nepal may not have rivals but Indians do have and they see Nepal as the territory which can be used for anti-India activities. And I believe you know the rest of the things.

 

[enigma123]

Most of Indians see the idea of historical India/Bharat varsha as the inspiration for Indian nationalism and it goes beyond the current border of India into Pakistan and Bangladesh. During British rule, even Portuguese ruled Goa and French ruled Pondicherry could escape this rising Indian nationalism. Many Indians see Nepal as a extension of this historical India because of the common culture and it has nothing to with expansionist attitude as many Indophobic people try to portray.



Entering in India from Nepal is very easy thing. Nepal may not have rivals but Indians do have and they see Nepal as the territory which can be used for anti-India activities. And I believe you know the rest of the things.

I understand the concept of the historical links of a pan-Indic culture but I think it's more fruitful to pay attention to the realities of today. Nepal sees itself as a nation-state separate from India and I don't think that is going to change anytime soon. And of course, we have the crazies on both side of the border who appeal to irredentism.

 

[INDIC]

I understand the concept of the historical links of a pan-Indic culture but I think it's more fruitful to pay attention to the realities of today. Nepal sees itself as a nation-state separate from India and I don't think that is going to change anytime soon. And of course, we have the crazies on both side of the border who appeal to irredentism.

I can understand it and we can be like Germany and Austria, same people by culture but two countries with their own national identities and history.

 

[enigma123]

I can understand it and we can be like Germany and Austria, same people by culture but two countries with their own national identities and history.

To a certain extent. I invite you to travel to Nepal to perhaps understand the culture more. I still think there are many distinctions between Indians and Nepalese but then again, the region is so diverse that it would be difficult to look at both nationalities as monolithic entities.

 

[NEPALESE GURKHA]

Its our country and we will decide our faith, either hindu or secular nation. who is this mother fucker to advice any thing on our internal matter. Have we made any comment on his nation being feudal or secular.

 

[asad71]

Yep that is the VHP/BJP agenda.But the Nepalese will reject any such project aimed at engulfing Nepal.

 

[dawn_news]

Hah! I've read so many comments on this forum about Nepal and there seems to be ZERO perspectives from anyone from Nepal. Let me fill that void.

Firstly, Nepal became secular in 2008 after the monarchy was deposed. It opened up the public space for groups that have traditionally been left to the periphery of the Nepalese state. We have an overwhelming number of Hindus (as a % of the population, more than in India) but our identity is strongly tied to the state aka Nepal. Talk to any Nepalese person and you'll get a sense of how much we love our country (not necessarily the government, as in many cases throughout South Asia).

Secondly, even if the BJP wins the elections in India, it is highly unlikely that Nepal will revert back to a Hindu state. The very protector of the Hindu identity of Nepal was the monarchy and with its abolishment, Nepal's Hindu identity was also transformed into a secular one. Although people profess to the Hindu faith in overwhelming numbers, religion is yet to be politicized in Nepal (and hopefully, it never will. We've seen what has happened with our neighbors). Thus, all this mumbo jumbo being spewed by the ultra nationalist Hindu right wingers in India do not resonate with Nepalese Hindus (most of the time; we have such people in Nepal too but they are a fringe group). The three largest parties in the Constituent Assembly are the Nepali Congress (centre right party with deep connections with India's Congress Party), the United Marxist Leninists (UML - moderate communists), and Maoists (used to be ultra left wing but they've moved closer to the center). The Rastriya Prajatantra Party (RPP) is a pro-monarchist party and it came in 4th with miniscule number of seats.

Given the reality on the ground, the fear of Nepal reverting to a Hindu state is highly unlikely. In my opinion, we are better off as a secular state as we are a very diverse country. Also, please stop it with calling for annexing Nepal to India. We're two nationalities and the Nepalese (and I'm guessing rational Indians) would like to develop stronger ties between the two states. Just because most Nepalese are Hindus doesn't automatically mean we want to be Indians, just like being Muslim doesn't make one a Saudi. We became a state in 1769 and our identity is deeply entrenched.

Respect!