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There are some Indians who are actually rational. Let's see what one of them has to say about the current standoff, and about the relationship between India and China. Interesting read! @Nilgiri


India's Faceoff With China A Sign Of The Future
© 2017 Bloomberg L.P. | Published: July 21, 2017 11:11 IST


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In Kashmir, shells and bullets regularly fly back and forth across India's de facto border with Pakistan. Yet, although India's 4,000-kilometer border with China is similarly disputed, not a single shot has been fired in anger there for decades. That may soon change: There are genuine fears in New Delhi that the long period of calm may not last. And whether it does or not, the latest standoff in the Himalayas is sure to change India.

QuickTake India's Aspirations

A weeks-long confrontation on the shared border between China, India and tiny Bhutan -- the sort that barely makes the headlines outside the countries involved -- has lasted longer than usual, and neither side looks ready to back off. Troops have had shoving matches and now stare one another down from encampments just miles apart. Although previous confrontations have been quietly resolved, this time some Indian strategists believe China will soon be tempted to launch a limited punitive strike as a reminder of its military superiority.

Clashes between India and China don't usually matter to the rest of the world. Even when the two countries fought a short and bitter border war in 1962, the world's attention was fixated on the brewing nuclear crisis in Cuba. While Indians have never quite forgotten our humiliating loss in that war, China has rarely chosen to remind us of it. This time, however, the usual chest-beating from India's hyper-patriotic news media has been matched by similar noises from over the border. The state-controlled People's Daily even posted a bellicose editorial from 1962 on its Weibo account.

In Beijing, a few weeks ago, I got the clear impression from some Chinese policymakers and diplomats that they thought India was getting, well, a bit above itself. Unhappy about China's big Belt and Road Initiative, India not only stayed away from President Xi Jinping's recent forum showcasing the project, but released a stinging denunciation of the principles underlying the grand infrastructure scheme. That same language found its way into the joint statement issued by U.S. President Donald Trump and Narendra Modi when the Indian prime minister visited Washington last month. And India has recently taken a harder line on Tibet and the border than it has in the past.

For leaders in Beijing, this behavior seems inexplicable. I was repeatedly asked whether India had forgotten that its economy is five times smaller than China's. Perhaps, one got the impression, India needed to be shown its place.


The problem is that India does not quite know its place. This makes sense when one considers its vision of its past and its expectations of its future. Independent India inherited the Raj's armies -- the peacekeepers of Asia and Africa -- and with them, the Raj's self-image as dominant east of Aden. It has always viewed itself as at least China's equal in spite of the 1962 loss -- and even as its northern neighbor raced ahead economically. That was a minor setback, Indians feel; eventually we'll catch up, once we sort our messy politics out. And meantime, why not behave as if we already have?


For the first time, perhaps, a sense of disquiet about this assumption has crept in. Questions are being asked about whether India is, in fact, ready to play a bigger strategic role in the region. Defense spending has not kept pace with India's economy; the government spends less, proportionally, on the military than it has at any point since 1962. Eurasia Group's Ian Bremmer noted on Twitter recently that India is one of the very few countries spending more on infrastructure than defense. This is by design; Indian policymakers are convinced that a new highway strengthens the country more than another battalion would. They may be right, too.

But it's unlikely India will sit quietly in a corner. This is a young country, and impatient. When a billion people have been led to expect that they are a great power, they will demand their government behave accordingly. And so, whether or not we can afford it, whether or not it makes a great deal of objective sense to outsiders, our democracy guarantees that we won't do what Deng Xiaoping's China did and "bide our time." Every time China appears to disregard or dismiss India's capabilities -- actions which seem eminently rational in Beijing -- it merely hastens the day that India will step up and seek a bigger role, one that matches its self-image.

Earlier this week, Australia's foreign minister pointed out the stakes in New Delhi. "Military outlays in our region expanded by over 5.5 percent in 2015-16, easily outpacing the one percent overall global increase in military spending," Julie Bishop noted. "By 2020, combined military budgets in our region are forecast to exceed $600 billion. Now this is significant, given U.S. expenditure is currently at $611 billion and Europe is at $334 billion." And this is without India even seeking to live up to its conception of itself. The question for China soon won't be how the world manages its rise, but how well it manages India's.

This column does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the editorial board or Bloomberg LP and its owners.

Mihir Sharma is a Bloomberg View columnist. He was a columnist for the Indian Express and the Business Standard, and he is the author of "Restart: The Last Chance for the Indian Economy."


(To contact the author of this story: Mihir Sharma at m.s.sharma@gmail.comTo contact the editor responsible for this story: Nisid Hajari at nhajari@bloomberg.net )

(Except for the headline, this story has not been edited by NDTV staff and is published from a syndicated feed.)
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It takes two hands to clap,china arms our enemy ,they even gave NW to Pakistan, and opposed India in every international forum ,blocks resolution on a single terrorist against India ,what where they expecting in return.

China can claim the nine dash line and encroach on that ,but not with India and its friends with whom we have agreement.
 
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It takes two hands to clap,china arms our enemy ,they even gave NW to Pakistan, and opposed India in every international forum ,blocks resolution on a single terrorist against India ,what where they expecting in return.

China can claim the nine dash line and encroach on that ,but not with India and its friends with whom we have agreement.
It's ndtv , Indian Express.comies of India for you dil pay math lay,bus road nahi banega bolnay ka our nikalnay ka.
 
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This article shows a remarkable degree of introspection. Given what I've read from Indian posters around these parts, it's nice to see that there are still Indians capable of rational analysis.
 
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It takes two hands to clap,china arms our enemy ,they even gave NW to Pakistan, and opposed India in every international forum ,blocks resolution on a single terrorist against India ,what where they expecting in return.

China can claim the nine dash line and encroach on that ,but not with India and its friends with whom we have agreement.
Typical western report will hype up China aggression movement while
Ignoring others. Vietnam has long started shoal building since early 2000 and aggressive militaries many of its islet and expanding them and yet the western media will never tell you such thing. Yet they never claim this action as changing the status quo. Same as Japan who first nationalise the diaoyutai island.

Instead of pointing at China and claim as aggressive. Why not look at Indian pushy and aggressive policy towards its neighbour? There is a reason why bangladesh and Nepal has serious problem with India.
 
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We need to take a stand as well we just cannot keep quiet or remain silent of this chinese nuisance.
 
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Chinese support to terrorist like masood aszhar is well known. Their support terrorists has made it clear that they are not interested in having friendly relations. It leaves us no choice but to fight terrorist & their supporters.
 
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Typical western report will hype up China aggression movement while
Ignoring others. Vietnam has long started shoal building since early 2000 and aggressive militaries many of its islet and expanding them and yet the western media will never tell you such thing. Yet they never claim this action as changing the status quo. Same as Japan who first nationalise the diaoyutai island.

Instead of pointing at China and claim as aggressive. Why not look at Indian pushy and aggressive policy towards its neighbour? There is a reason why bangladesh and Nepal has serious problem with India.
Name one country you don't have problem with which you share border .
If India supplied missiles ,nuclear tech to Vietnam will China tolerate .
I don't to talk about 9 dash line and disputes in scs ,have you seen the claim of China ,you will lol at the claim yourself mate.
 
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So Chinese here have finally found the Chini psyops written by that certified commie stooge Mihir Sharma for Bloomberg!

Here is the real stand of our nation.......China ILLEGALLY made a mud road in 2003-04 at the disputed territory in spite of strong objections from Bhutan, knowing that a small country like Bhutan with less than a million population and barely any military to speak of can't do much against shameless Chinese occupation. This time China tried to convert that mud path into a permanent all-weather road, and we had to step in to stop that thuggery. You may not be knowing the relations between Bhutan and India, but we are duty-bound to protect Bhutan, it's our responsibility. Now China knows that it can't push around a country of India's stature & strength...hence the endless frothing in the mouth. For all its claims of being a peaceful responsible country and a rising power; China is nothing but a glorified thug.

Our position is, and always has been that China must stop the road construction and go back to its previous position and promise to maintain status quo for us to go back, China has stopped the road construction since then, now it just needs to go back...and China will. Otherwise we will continue to maintain our position there and wait for the war as promised by China...hope China will keep her promise.
 
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So Chinese here have finally found the Chini psyops written by that certified commie stooge Mihir Sharma for Bloomberg!

Here is the real stand of our nation.......China ILLEGALLY made a mud road in 2003-04 at the disputed territory in spite of strong objections from Bhutan, knowing that a small country like Bhutan with less than a million population and barely any military to speak of can't do much against shameless Chinese occupation. This time China tried to convert that mud path into a permanent all-weather road, and we had to step in to stop that thuggery. You may not be knowing the relations between Bhutan and India, but we are duty-bound to protect Bhutan, it's our responsibility. Now China knows that it can't push around a country of India's stature & strength...hence the endless frothing in the mouth. For all its claims of being a peaceful responsible country and a rising power; China is nothing but a glorified thug.

Our position is, and always has been that China must stop the road construction and go back to its previous position and promise to maintain status quo for us to go back, China has stopped the road construction since then, now it just needs to go back...and China will. Otherwise we will continue to maintain our position there and wait for the war as promised by China...hope China will keep her promise.
Quoted for posting in other threads ,for the stand off our nation.
 
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This article will soon be mostly irrelevant. Come as you like (into China's territory). Leave whenever you feel like it. Such a thing shows lack of respect and leaves China very little room to wiggle. War will happen regardless of how much introspection Indians will now make. The transgression into China's territory should never have happened in the first place. I think China will strike once the soldiers' bodies have acclimatized to a higher altitude (usually a few weeks to generate more red blood cells to gather oxygen from lower atmospheric pressure...)
 
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This article will soon be mostly irrelevant. Come as you like (into China's territory). Leave whenever you feel like it. Such a thing shows lack of respect and leaves China very little room to wiggle. War will happen regardless of how much introspection Indians will now make. The transgression into China's territory should never have happened in the first place. I think China will strike once the soldiers' bodies have acclimatized to a higher altitude (usually a few weeks...)

We are engaging these Indians from the other side for quite long...Chinese party will cripple Indians :cheers:
 
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This article will soon be mostly irrelevant. Come as you like (into China's territory). Leave whenever you feel like it. Such a thing shows lack of respect and leaves China very little room to wiggle. War will happen regardless of how much introspection Indians will now make. The transgression into China's territory should never have happened in the first place. I think China will strike once the soldiers' bodies have acclimatized to a higher altitude (usually a few weeks to generate more red blood cells to gather oxygen from lower atmospheric pressure...)

Yes, we have introspected and decided that we stay put in the position to uphold the rule of law, justice, and humanity against a regional bully. War will spell doom for China, it's better that China gets used to it.
 
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I'm new around here so perhaps some of the more senior members can clue me in. Are these types allowed to come here and "designate" this section as they please?
 
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