NDTV: FLYING THE RAFALE (VIDEO)

[IND151]

As pointed out above, the only threat from Pakistan are rag tag militants and terrorists. Their army won't dare to wage an open war against India. They haven't dared since 1971, when we cut them into two. India's military superiority is unbridgeable, and Pakistani planners know this.

On the other hand, we need these rafales and MKIs along the Chinese border so that China won't find it easy to do any skirmishes with India. Rafales and MKIs are superior to anything that China has in its arsenal CURRENTLY. We will strive to keep this qualitative edge over them in future, to numb their quantitative edge. Although the first two squadrons will face Pakistan (since a lot of migs there have to be replaced), the next squadrons will go to the Chinese border.

An by the way, rafales in Ambala can strike both countries. And in times of war, they can be shifted to whichever FOBs they want, against china or pak. You being a Pakistani are simply trying to make your country sound more important than it is.

Right.

Two squadrons of Rafael will be stationed on western border and two will be stationed on eastern border.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/214721-ambala-station-first-squadron-mmrca-fighters.html

 

[Teeta]

And who told you they are our rivals ever since WOT started? Our last rival status with them ended in 1999 when the US stopped handling their economy and 7 years later when Musharaf's regime collapsed. They are at the most now an estranged neighbor to us or say a nuisance to peace. But rival and enemy are a little hard to digest.

You don't have to mentally masturbate infront of me. India isn't the 'only' regional power in the region. Pakistan is your regional rival and your establishment knows this (leaving aside all the jingoistic nonsense that Indian kids believe in).

Secondly , you didn't get my post. The biggest military threat to India comes from Pakistan and not from China. Look at it this way : Al Qaeda presents the biggest military threat to our national security--why? Well Russia might be 1000X stronger militarily but the chances of an armed attack on US soil from Russia are nil but we can't say that for Al Qaeda. So Pentagon perceives Al Qaeda as the biggest threat to our national security.

Now similarly for Indian military , chances of an armed conflict with Pakistan military are way,way higher as compared to the chances of an armed conflict with China. Hence , your planners put Pakistan as their number one military threat above China (even though China is way stronger).

So that is why Indian military will always deploy most of its capability against Pakistan military and not in the North. Just check your current deployment. It all becomes clear.

Also , IAF is deploying its best assets against PAF FIRST , and when the threat of PAF is 'covered' then IAF moves to the North. Only adds more weight-age to my point.

Are you kidding me? Quantity won't get either side anywhere. PLAAF's training is also ambiguous. We cannot keep our air force a hostage to communist propaganda of "perfection and supremacy". If there is a need, IAF will be deployed to strike with impunity regardless of who the enemy is.

And IAF will be left utterly dismantled by the end of the war (doesn't matter how many more Chinese aircraft you kill. In the 'end' , you WILL be defeated by Chinese air power. Go figure.)

PLAAF's training is as good as IAF's , if not better. To underestimate your enemy is the sin of war.

PAF would not hesitate to 'leak' its designed "tactics" against IAF to PLAAF if the need arise. So kindly , smell the coffee.

China is the largest industrial producer in the world. How would your 200 Su-30MKI bought from Russia will faced 1000s of J-10Bs rolling out of Chinese Industrial might?

What for? The only threats that come from pakistan are non-state actors who fancy going to heaven by killing unarmed innocent civilians rather than show some courage to fight a trained army because a decade ago they got their rears whopped by the army.

What will Rafales do against them?

Why do you put small-letter 'p' when you write Pakistan? Don't tell me Indians are suffering from THIS MUCH inferiority-complex when it comes to Pakistan. I noticed this several times from Indian posters...

Anyways , coming to the point...You just proved me.

These "non-state" actors put you in a risk of having a head-on military conflict with Pakistani Military , right? China doesn't send any non-state actors , right? Hence your biggest military threat comes from Pakistan and not from China. I already explained this above.

Cheers.

 

[SamantK]

Secondly , you didn't get my post. The biggest military threat to India comes from Pakistan and not from China. Look at it this way : Al Qaeda presents the biggest military threat to our national security--why? Well Russia might be 1000X stronger militarily but the chances of an armed attack on US soil from Russia are nil but we can't say that for Al Qaeda. So Pentagon perceives Al Qaeda as the biggest threat to our national security.

Militarily, Pakistan was India's first enemy.. not any more... India is not threatened by the military might of Pakistan(inferior), rather the elements inside Pakistan for which many steps are being taken, including fencing the entire border and now radars for the entire coastline.

Now similarly for Indian military , chances of an armed conflict with Pakistan military are way,way higher as compared to the chances of an armed conflict with China. Hence , your planners put Pakistan as their number one military threat above China (even though China is way stronger).

So that is why Indian military will always deploy most of its capability against Pakistan military and not in the North. Just check your current deployment. It all becomes clear.

If you see the map and location of major bases they have been legacy of the aggressive and stupid wars started by Pakistan. Also, if you note the bases are not as far from China as you put it out to be.. the geography is such that the deployment is balanced on both the sides.

Another thing which you might have missed is the infra being developed at a fast rate in NE and Kashmir, which are again China centric..

Also , IAF is deploying its best assets against PAF FIRST , and when the threat of PAF is 'covered' then IAF moves to the North. Only adds more weight-age to my point.

Amabala is almost at the centre of both the borders, its not Pakistan first but from whoever the threat comes first. Check the map again.

And IAF will be left utterly dismantled by the end of the war (doesn't matter how many more Chinese aircraft you kill. In the 'end' , you WILL be defeated by Chinese air power. Go figure.)

Who is masturbating now

China is the largest industrial producer in the world. How would your 200 Su-30MKI bought from Russia will faced 1000s of J-10Bs rolling out of Chinese Industrial might?

Indian strategists will tell you how, you also need some coffee..

These "non-state" actors put you in a risk of having a head-on military conflict with Pakistani Military , right? China doesn't send any non-state actors , right? Hence your biggest military threat comes from Pakistan and not from China. I already explained this above.

Cheers.

A border dispute is enough for a confrontation if things become bad.

 

[Sergi]

There is NO WAY two things can happen ;

1) A full-fledged war (or even a prolonged skirmish) between India and China.
2) Indian victory in Air against the massive Chinese Air Power.

So why deploy your best weapon there? Major threat to India comes from the lands of Muslim-Majority Pakistan (as it always happened throughout history. Islamic Invaders came through these lands to plunder , destroy , conquer India etc). Now , a war or small military campaign with Pakistan is a possibility. So deploying your premier weapon against China doesn't make sense.

I sense that majority of India's air power will be deployed against PAF as it is the case today.

A lot of people will disagree with you. I don't see any full scale war on either fornt. Small skirmish on Pak border is possible. Not on Chinese front. If something on Chinese fornt happen be sure the rest of world will know it ( Indian COAS )

Secondly even Pak members here accept that PAF will be doing defencive role that offence. And Indian MKIs are more than enough for that. And with the upgrades S.S will be more potent.

Well I am the one who belive that Chinese Airforce is made of mostly flanker copies ( no offence to anyone ) so they are familier with Indian MKIs which is evolved from Su-27 with a lot of quality stuff from Western countiries. So Rafale will definatly take on big numbers there. And India will have advantage of hiding SAM sites in AP as its heavily fence fresh cover. So in air battle on home turf Indian forces will rebutt your SECOND claim.
p.s. We don't know exact number of Chinese aircrafts or the TRAING and potential ability of the pilots. And we are talking about Aircrafts so it's not impossible them to relocate them to near threat area. As bigger IAF bases has the facilities for all of its inventory. And India have enough BIG airbases on both sides and some bases in NORTH are equally close to both nations.

 

[Abingdonboy]

You don't have to mentally masturbate infront of me. India isn't the 'only' regional power in the region. Pakistan is your regional rival and your establishment knows this (leaving aside all the jingoistic nonsense that Indian kids believe in).

Secondly , you didn't get my post. The biggest military threat to India comes from Pakistan and not from China. Look at it this way : Al Qaeda presents the biggest military threat to our national security--why? Well Russia might be 1000X stronger militarily but the chances of an armed attack on US soil from Russia are nil but we can't say that for Al Qaeda. So Pentagon perceives Al Qaeda as the biggest threat to our national security.

Now similarly for Indian military , chances of an armed conflict with Pakistan military are way,way higher as compared to the chances of an armed conflict with China. Hence , your planners put Pakistan as their number one military threat above China (even though China is way stronger).

So that is why Indian military will always deploy most of its capability against Pakistan military and not in the North. Just check your current deployment. It all becomes clear.

Also , IAF is deploying its best assets against PAF FIRST , and when the threat of PAF is 'covered' then IAF moves to the North. Only adds more weight-age to my point.

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And IAF will be left utterly dismantled by the end of the war (doesn't matter how many more Chinese aircraft you kill. In the 'end' , you WILL be defeated by Chinese air power. Go figure.)

PLAAF's training is as good as IAF's , if not better. To underestimate your enemy is the sin of war.

PAF would not hesitate to 'leak' its designed "tactics" against IAF to PLAAF if the need arise. So kindly , smell the coffee.

China is the largest industrial producer in the world. How would your 200 Su-30MKI bought from Russia will faced 1000s of J-10Bs rolling out of Chinese Industrial might?




Why do you put small-letter 'p' when you write Pakistan? Don't tell me Indians are suffering from THIS MUCH inferiority-complex when it comes to Pakistan. I noticed this several times from Indian posters...

Anyways , coming to the point...You just proved me.

These "non-state" actors put you in a risk of having a head-on military conflict with Pakistani Military , right? China doesn't send any non-state actors , right? Hence your biggest military threat comes from Pakistan and not from China. I already explained this above.

Cheers.

Well done Sherlock. Of course when Indian military planners look to the past they see that the nation that has started 3 wars against India and has been backing terror attacks in India for 20+ years is the most serious threat India faces. However that is not to say India will get bogged down by Pakistan or isn't capable of fighting China. India has superiority over Pakistan in every way and the gap between the two only increases daily.

 

[Teeta]

Well done Sherlock. Of course when Indian military planners look to the past they see that the nation that has started 3 wars against India and has been backing terror attacks in India for 20+ years is the most serious threat India faces. However that is not to say India will get bogged down by Pakistan or isn't capable of fighting China. India has superiority over Pakistan in every way and the gap between the two only increases daily.

That is what I said in my post. Pakistan is the biggest military threat to India and Indian planners will deploy their major force against Pakistan because that is where the threat comes from.

Spare me this sherlock rant , I had to 'break it down' for your not-so-intelligent Indian compatriots.

Also , I don't know why every Indian has to mention India's conventional superiority over a nation that is many times smaller than her size. I mean we all already know that you guys have more population than Pakistanis.

You guys come out as sheer insecure lot.

 

[Yeti]

Excellent video by Vishnu Som I saw it yesterday on BR the best bit I enjoyed was when the fighter was 100 ft from sea level nice pics!

 

[Hellraiser007]

India you guys have a wonderful omni role fighter, with this addition your airforce will be the leading AF in Asia.

Trust me this is a good investment and futher cements the friendship between our countries, thank you guys for making this purchase.

France is a country with which India has good relations. France and India intel agencies worked together in the past, India is very happy with Mirage fighters and the role they played in Kargil war.
France always stood by India.



Long live India - France Relations

 

[SamantK]

That is what I said in my post. Pakistan is the biggest military threat to India and Indian planners will deploy their major force against Pakistan because that is where the threat comes from.

The threat from Pakistan is not militarily.. The respons might be, there is a difference.

Also , I don't know why every Indian has to mention India's conventional superiority over a nation that is many times smaller than her size. I mean we all already know that you guys have more population than Pakistanis.

You guys come out as sheer insecure lot.

We are discussing military might wrt China and Pakistan, not the sizes of the countries nor its population.. This line of tangential logic is only offered by other Pakistanis here, you come as a surprise. Did you know France is smaller in area and Population than Pakistan?

BTW, by your logic Bangladesh should have been a superpower..

 

[malgudi]

That is what I said in my post. Pakistan is the biggest military threat to India and Indian planners will deploy their major force against Pakistan because that is where the threat comes from.

Spare me this sherlock rant , I had to 'break it down' for your not-so-intelligent Indian compatriots.

Also , I don't know why every Indian has to mention India's conventional superiority over a nation that is many times smaller than her size. I mean we all already know that you guys have more population than Pakistanis.

You guys come out as sheer insecure lot.

Talk about yourself! You name us as third-world citizen, in almost all your post you rant against india; you are clearly "aint no" american ;-) yet you go around telling the same. And you have the audacity to call us insecure. It's funny or what!

 

[MilSpec]

Indians are investing in air-power like no other. It is a good sign for India , but comes with alot of corruption , wastage , and kickbacks etc.

Well genius, US,China, Russia, France Saudi Arabia's have bigger investment in air power, India is way way behind

India's main rival , Pakistan , is investing more in ground and nuclear strike forces. A wonderful strategy to build a powerful military capability.

pakistan military can invest in whatever they like, it's military runs a country.

It'd be interesting to see how Pakistan builds its air power in the region by replacing old fleet with new jointly produced JF-17 Thunders. As far as Rafael in concerned , PAF will most likely go for J-10Bs from China and will upgrade its existing fleet of F-16s to the level of lethal F-16 block 52/52+ armed with deadly weapons such as AIM-120C etc.

and when that happens India will be evaporated... sure. Looks like ground strike and nuclear power works only in pakistani rhetoric, right?

BTW , where will India deploy its Rafaels? Against Pakistan? India already deploys its most power aircrafts , Su-30MKIs and upgraded Mig-29s , against Eastern border of Pakistan along India.

And you know the exact deployments of IAF? anyways MKI's stationed pune, chabua, Tezpur, kalikunda, hashimara, are all central and eastern bases of India.

Deploying Rafaels in North against China doesn't make sense....

Deployments aren't based on public demand, it's on threat perception, our deployments are adequate to deal with any threat

 

[MilSpec]

Also , I don't know why every Indian has to mention India's conventional superiority over a nation that is many times smaller than her size. I mean we all already know that you guys have more population than Pakistanis.

You guys come out as sheer insecure lot.

Well you sing praises of china's superior conventional strength against india (1000's of j10b's rolling out)
same conventional superiority rhetoric when fielded against pakistan becomes Indian insecurity.

on the other hand you highly admire pakistani tactics of nuclear weaponry, as building up military strength, butI guess india's nuclear arsenal doesn't count vis a vis china.

In your opinion conventional strength
India vs China - china wins
but India vs pak - doesnt count (displays insecurity)

Nuclear strength
India Vs Pak - Pak wins
india vs China - doesn't count.


make up your mind buddy, and when you are at it, do display your original flags.

 

[Invincible INDIAN]

Well you sing praises of china's superior conventional strength against india (1000's of j10b's rolling out)
same conventional superiority rhetoric when fielded against pakistan becomes Indian insecurity.

on the other hand you highly admire pakistani tactics of nuclear weaponry, as building up military strength, butI guess india's nuclear arsenal doesn't count vis a vis china.

In your opinion conventional strength
India vs China - china wins
but India vs pak - doesnt count (displays insecurity)

Nuclear strength
India Vs Pak - Pak wins
india vs China - doesn't count.


make up your mind buddy, and when you are at it, do display your original flags.

You nailed him

 

[Sergi]

@Teeta : you remind me of another guy on this form. User name "Martian2" or something like that. He too is a US flagger and have same opinion as you. You too should catch up each other in states

 

[Abingdonboy]

Excellent video by Vishnu Som I saw it yesterday on BR the best bit I enjoyed was when the fighter was 100 ft from sea level nice pics!

And what's more is this is all done by the the auto-pilot's terrain follwing system!