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July 11, 2008
Interview with Richard Holbrooke
Bloomberg
MR. HUNT: Richard, the other war, Afghanistan, where you've traveled recently, worst month - the most violent month since the invasion. Things seem to be getting worse. You, according to reports, lectured Karzai on the need to get tougher when you were there. Karzai seemed like a nice man. But really, it appears he's just not up to the tough job -
AMB. HOLBROOKE: I don't think I lectured him. I asked him some questions and received a lecture in return. (Chuckles.) We have three overwhelming problems in Afghanistan, but let me say two things before I list them. Number one, this is the war we cannot fail in. This is the war which, if we fail, al Qaeda and the Taliban come back. Number two, we are not going to lose in Afghanistan because the Taliban are so hated, but we're not going to win because the government is so weak, incompetent and, let's be honest, corrupt.
There are three overwhelming problems. The border areas with Pakistan, you can't stabilize Afghanistan unless Pakistan buys in and the U.S., under the Bush administration, is has two policies; they have an Afghanistan policy and a Pakistan policy, and they've never integrated them. I was in Islamabad and Peshawar and Kabul on this recent trip, went down into the provinces on the border. Everybody has got their own theories. Point number two, the drugs. Fifty percent of the GDP of Afghanistan is drugs; Karzai has never arrested a single drug lord. Everyone knows who they are. You go into the central marketplace in Kabul and the big villas are the drug lord people. Instead, they eradicate crops, driving farmers out of work and into the hands of the Taliban.
MR. HUNT: Well, that suggests he's just not up to it, doesn't it?
AMB. HOLBROOKE: Whether he's up to it or not, I don't think the United States and the rest of the world should be giving him money - $20 billion pledged to Karzai the week before last in Paris - with no kind of conditions.
The third issue is the government's weakness and corruption, and of course, the police. So you've got to fix the police and the government weakness, you've got to change our policy towards drugs - we've wasted about a $1 billion a year on drug policies in Afghanistan. And Al, you know what's happened for that? The drug crop goes up every year. This is Bloomberg Television. I think your viewers know that's not a good business model.
Easy to brush off one opinion (even though Dr. Ann is more an informed person than frankly anyone on this forum), here we have another two. Both, Mr. Thomas Schweich and Mr. Richard Holbrooke are pointing their fingers to the US puppet Karzai and the bunch of thugs and murderers, certain people here insist to call Afghan Government.
Poppys are not grown in the caves, they are grown in the open fields. But as all three persons have noted, there is simply no commitment on the side of the corrupt Karzi and Co. Infact Karzai mafia is making more money than the Taliban. Taliban are only making money from imposing taxes and giving safe passage to the drug traffickers, Karzai and Co on the other hand owns those fields. I really find it amazing what on earth can enable farmers to grow poppy in a warzone. Unless they are deliberately allowed to grow and harvest their crops. It has been said over and over again that most poppy is grown in the South, who is the Governor of Qandhar? some lieutantant of Mullah Umar or the real brother of Karzai? Why is he not held responsible for what is going on in his area?
Interview with Richard Holbrooke
Bloomberg
MR. HUNT: Richard, the other war, Afghanistan, where you've traveled recently, worst month - the most violent month since the invasion. Things seem to be getting worse. You, according to reports, lectured Karzai on the need to get tougher when you were there. Karzai seemed like a nice man. But really, it appears he's just not up to the tough job -
AMB. HOLBROOKE: I don't think I lectured him. I asked him some questions and received a lecture in return. (Chuckles.) We have three overwhelming problems in Afghanistan, but let me say two things before I list them. Number one, this is the war we cannot fail in. This is the war which, if we fail, al Qaeda and the Taliban come back. Number two, we are not going to lose in Afghanistan because the Taliban are so hated, but we're not going to win because the government is so weak, incompetent and, let's be honest, corrupt.
There are three overwhelming problems. The border areas with Pakistan, you can't stabilize Afghanistan unless Pakistan buys in and the U.S., under the Bush administration, is has two policies; they have an Afghanistan policy and a Pakistan policy, and they've never integrated them. I was in Islamabad and Peshawar and Kabul on this recent trip, went down into the provinces on the border. Everybody has got their own theories. Point number two, the drugs. Fifty percent of the GDP of Afghanistan is drugs; Karzai has never arrested a single drug lord. Everyone knows who they are. You go into the central marketplace in Kabul and the big villas are the drug lord people. Instead, they eradicate crops, driving farmers out of work and into the hands of the Taliban.
MR. HUNT: Well, that suggests he's just not up to it, doesn't it?
AMB. HOLBROOKE: Whether he's up to it or not, I don't think the United States and the rest of the world should be giving him money - $20 billion pledged to Karzai the week before last in Paris - with no kind of conditions.
The third issue is the government's weakness and corruption, and of course, the police. So you've got to fix the police and the government weakness, you've got to change our policy towards drugs - we've wasted about a $1 billion a year on drug policies in Afghanistan. And Al, you know what's happened for that? The drug crop goes up every year. This is Bloomberg Television. I think your viewers know that's not a good business model.
Easy to brush off one opinion (even though Dr. Ann is more an informed person than frankly anyone on this forum), here we have another two. Both, Mr. Thomas Schweich and Mr. Richard Holbrooke are pointing their fingers to the US puppet Karzai and the bunch of thugs and murderers, certain people here insist to call Afghan Government.
Poppys are not grown in the caves, they are grown in the open fields. But as all three persons have noted, there is simply no commitment on the side of the corrupt Karzi and Co. Infact Karzai mafia is making more money than the Taliban. Taliban are only making money from imposing taxes and giving safe passage to the drug traffickers, Karzai and Co on the other hand owns those fields. I really find it amazing what on earth can enable farmers to grow poppy in a warzone. Unless they are deliberately allowed to grow and harvest their crops. It has been said over and over again that most poppy is grown in the South, who is the Governor of Qandhar? some lieutantant of Mullah Umar or the real brother of Karzai? Why is he not held responsible for what is going on in his area?
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