NATO $40 million hospital uses 50% of capacity to heal native Afghans

[Bratva]

Operating from sanctuaries across the border in Pakistan Islamist suicide bombers and Taliban insurgents stepped up their activites during 2007-2010.

THE COMBINED TOTAL WAS 31% HIGHER THAN THE CORRESPONDING PERIOD IN 2009.

Since you are military Professional, you must know, at the height of Bajaur Operation, American troops abandoned their Check Posts on Afghan Side, For unknown reasons, Then Again during South Waziristan Operation, American Forces Abandon their check post on Afghan border citing Harsh Weather, (I guess Pak army soldiers are some kind of robots as they are immune to harsh weathers and started the operation in November when tem is below zero)

And now a days, a large amount of insurgents are coming From Nuristan Province Bordering Khyber agency and i clearly remember American abandon their checkposts in Nuristan Province border areas citing reasons that insurgents keep attacking these checkposts so we have to relocate the position of check posts on a more strategic position (and this strategic position is far away from border), now We see a hike in Attacks in Khyber agency and Bajaur agency since there are no check post on Afghan side to keep a check on them,

The Point is Mr.Eagle, you can not clap from one hand, Drone attacks can not solve the problems, We expect better cooperation from your side, instead of these rantings

 

[Bratva]

My comments are directed at the ISI and those who collaborate and give succor to al Qaida and Taliban terrorists harbored inside the northern territories, which area has never been a "real" part of Paksitan...pro-terrorists there resent and condemn and cuss Pakistan out of hand over ethnic and ancient tribal grudges.

Mr American, We equally blame CIA for turning blind eye On Blauch Insurgents and Separatists hiding in Kabul. You are acting as a Devil advocate here. If ISI collaborate and hurboured these terrorists, then you would have seen Faisal Shehzad success in his attack, The Drone attacks would not have succeeded without ISI help

You read to much NYT, washighton times, LA times, which contains too much propoganda against ISI

 

[Ahmad]

The best thing you can do for Afghans is to withdraw military troops and channel war money into reparations to rebuild the country as an honest penitent.

If Nato leaves AFghanistan as you mister canadian suggest, then in Afghanistan there will be rivers and oceans of blood as it happened in the past. The situation of Afghanistan over all is better today compare to what it was 10 years ago. Thanks for you GENUINE concerns buddy, but we want to be left alone by people like you. We dont want the Americans to stay in AFghanistan forever, i am sure they dont want it too, but nobody wants them out right now.

 

[American Eagle]

Ahmad:

US Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina suggested today, Sunday, Jan. 2, 2011 on the NBC TV show MEET THE PRESS that perhaps the USAF should plan on keeping up to four permanent air bases in place inside Afghanistan...to give literal long term security support to the current and all future Governments of Afghanistan.

In the midst of pull out mania by some US politicians this idea stands out to my mind, knowing both Pakistan and Afghanistan all of my adult life...I am now age 71...as a very sound idea.

 

[Tigershark]

What Afghans Say About the War
A group of nongovernmental organizations recently polled 704 randomly-selected Afghans about how decades of conflict has changed their lives. Andrew Sprung has a summary:

1 in 5 say they’ve been tortured, three quarters have been forced to leave their homes at some point in the endless civil war, 43% have had property destroyed. The survey also has what would seem to be some moderately encouraging findings regarding the counterinsurgency: 70% see unemployment and poverty as a key driver of civil war; 48% blame the government’s weakness and corruption; 36% point to the Taliban; 25% to interference by neighboring countries; just 18% to the presence of international forces; another 18% to al Qaeda– and another 17% to the lack of support from the international community. After 30 years of civil war, only 3% named the current conflict as the most harmful period (though the report cautions that areas where the current fighting is worst are underrepresented).

The emphasis is mine. Notice the factors that the U.S. policy makers seem to identify as priorities—the Taliban, al Qaeda, and corruption in the government—are dwarfed by unemployment and poverty in the eyes of Afghans. That disconnect is revealing. The general consensus from the respondents was, if people are employed, the fighting will end. Here’s a quote from a woman in Kabul:

“We thank God that the fighting we saw during Taliban does not exist now, even though still they do suicide attacks. The main harm of the current conflict is poverty and unemployment. If there are employment opportunities for the people, there won’t be killings.”


That’s a point I’ve been trying to make on my own blog for some time. It’s not that rooting out the Taliban and cleaning up the government aren’t important, but they will ultimately be futile efforts without some serious attempts to improve the fundamentals of Afghanistan’s economy. Among its recommendations, the report calls for the international community to “commit and deliver not just more aid, but more effective aid for humanitarian, reconstruction and development activities throughout the country.”

The international community has been reluctant to follow through with promises of aid since back when the Soviets left, and the American public is understandably skeptical of nation building. But we’re already spending money in Afghanistan. We can either keep wasting it on a largely ineffective military solution, or we can try to fix this mess once and for all.

I stand by my assessment that what Afghanistan needs more is not military occupation by economic development. As long as the military guzzles billions, there will never be enough development money to properly rebuild Afghanistan. That's why the American war is doomed to failure.

As for the river of blood you accuse Canada of. Canada has shed enough of her own blood for the better part of a decade in Afghanistan. We are pulling out this year regardless of what happens, as other NATO country already has left. Don't forget that your "rivers and oceans of blood" started when the US invaded. The Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA)

accused the U.S. and its allies of "paying the least attention to the fate of democracy in Afghanistan" by first having supported for years a "Jehadis-fostering, Osama-fostering and Taliban-fostering" policy before the 2001 U.S. invasion, only to now be "sharpening the dagger of the Northern Alliance" warlords and drug lords that were key allies of the U.S. in its invasion.

Moreover, the Afghan war was never fought for the sake of Afghans. It is widely accepted that the invasion of Afghanistan was the stepping stone to the 2003 Iraq War, increasing the geo-political reach of the United States.
Shame on you Ahmad for defending American imperialism.

 

[Tigershark]

Ahmad:

US Senator Jim Dement of South Carolina suggested today, Sunday, Jan. 2, 2011 on the NBC TV show MEET THE PRESS that perhaps the USAF should plan on keeping up to four permanent air bases in place inside Afghanistan...to give literal long term security support to the current and all future Governments of Afghanistan.

In the midst of pull out mania by some US politicians this idea stands out to my mind, knowing both Pakistan and Afghanistan all of my adult life...I am now age 71...as a very sound idea.

Why are Americans inside Afghanistan? There's your answer: to expand its empire of bases.

And why not, since they have the convenient excuse to bring law and order to the lawlessness they have created.

Here's one more evil brought about by the American invasion:

Opium production in Afghanistan has thrived since the U.S. invasion and overthrow of the Taliban government in 2001. According to United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) data, there was more opium poppy cultivation in each of the past five growing seasons (2004–2008), than in any one year during the Taliban five-year rule (1996–2001).

 

[American Eagle]

Factually Amhad is correct and you are badly mistaken.

The Scottish Poet Robert (Bobby) Burns once wrote: "It takes no brains to criticize, to find fault." How true in some instances of this dialogue.

With age comes not only aches and pains of a personal nature but the ability to take the longer view, despite vexing short term issues and events.

In fact the number of killed and wounded as honestly reported via the UN to the world at large in the war on terrorism is dramatically smaller, minor, compared to past wars in modern history.

We in the US kill and maime around 44,000 or so folks per year in auto wrecks. For simple statistical comparison.

It was my observation, personally, as a young officer serving in Paksitan, with side trips into Afghanistan, that there "seemed to be less value on or for human life" than I was raised to expect. This could be due to a difference in status or "place" in the different culture of SW Asia, or is there another reason here someone can explain to me?

 

[Tigershark]

It was my observation, personally, as a young officer serving in Paksitan, with side trips into Afghanistan, that there "seemed to be less value on or for human life" than I was raised to expect. This could be due to a difference in status or "place" in the different culture of SW Asia, or is there another reason here someone can explain to me?

That statement is not only wrong but racist. We all know that american values the lives, the fairness, and the rule of law only of fellow americans. Ask the victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki whose lives were taken because americans wanted the keep the russians out and obtain sole control of the country. Ask the Vietnemese victims Agent Orange. Ask the victims of torture in Guantanamo and Abu Graib.

The facts speak for themselves. Americans have perpetuated the worst human rights atrocities and care the least about the lives of other people.

p.s. I can't get over the implication of your claim: since Asians don't care about the lives of fellow Asians, it doesn't matter if white people shoot them by the droves.

 

[Tigershark]

Factually Amhad is correct and you are badly mistaken.

I have expressed a widely supported opinion based on solid facts.

Whether the american invasion of Afghanistan is to be a success or failure is yet to be seen.

 

[Tigershark]

In fact the number of killed and wounded as honestly reported via the UN to the world at large in the war on terrorism is dramatically smaller, minor, compared to past wars in modern history.

The gist of your argument appears to be that since a horrific number of Afghans have not been killed, the american project for regime-change and forced democratization and destruction of traditional Afghan society is justifiable.

Please forgive me if I'm not impressed by that kind of reasoning.

 

[Ahmad]

I stand by my assessment that what Afghanistan needs more is not military occupation by economic development. As long as the military guzzles billions, there will never be enough development money to properly rebuild Afghanistan. That's why the American war is doomed to failure.

Well, your assessment is useless and by no means reflect the contents of the report you have posted. Yes, people are struggling with poverty,unemployment and corruption, but all these 3 were worse during the taliban and mujahideen, so there is nothing new here. As a matter of fact there are more aid going to afghanistan than before from many countries around the world and that include pakistan, india and iran.

As for the river of blood you accuse Canada of. Canada has shed enough of her own blood for the better part of a decade in Afghanistan. We are pulling out this year regardless of what happens, as other NATO country already has left.

Thaks to canada for whatever they have done, they are leaving now, fine.

Don't forget that your "rivers and oceans of blood" started when the US invaded. The Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA)

Check the same source, and you will see alot more horrible stories about the crimes of Mujahideen and the TALIBAN, we dont want none of these groups back, if Nato leaves, both of them surely will return and kill us just the way they used to do in the past.

Moreover, the Afghan war was never fought for the sake of Afghans. It is widely accepted that the invasion of Afghanistan was the stepping stone to the 2003 Iraq War, increasing the geo-political reach of the United States.

Are you naive enough to believe americans came for our sake? Even america havent claimed such a stupid thing. NOBODY will do NOTHING for other people's sake. Even your emphasis on americans withdrawll from Afghanistan is for your sake to score something against them, either your country have problem with america, or you have a religious/political problem with america, i seriousely doubt even if you are chineese born.

Shame on you Ahmad for defending American imperialism.

Our family have suffered the severest during this nearly 40 years of chaos like other afghans, so dont put salt on our wounds by accusing me of defeding A.Imperialism. I only defend Afghanistan and what is best for it.

 

[American Eagle]

Your tired old reverse rascism is a joke.

Did you ever notice we have a Black President here in the USA these days?

 

[Tigershark]

Your tired old reverse rascism is a joke.

Did you ever notice we have a Black President here in the USA these days?

Do you even know what reverse racism means? A geriatric american soldier saying Asian lives are cheaper than American lives is the definition of racism. You are the racist.

 

[Tigershark]

I doubt you are an Afghan. Your rhetoric comes right out of Fox News. If you are, you're an American stooge. I can't find anyone doing a better job of licking Bush's *******.

Obama says US is losing war in Afghanistan and hints at Taleban talks - Times Online

President Obama conceded yesterday that America was not winning the war in Afghanistan and opened the way for negotiations with moderate elements of the Taleban, much as the US did with Sunni tribes in Iraq.

 

[Tigershark]

Did you ever notice we have a Black President here in the USA these days?

And I saw deeply into the racist american character during the dirty 2008 election. Obama was accused of being a black terrorist, a nonamerican, a dirty negro, a muslim, and every other kind of dirt you can think of by the racist white establishment. The fact that he was elected attests to his ability and charisma. He won in spite of racists like you.

America has a long way to go to heal its racial divisions. Right now, there is zero chance of an Indian or Puerto Rican or Native American president. The chance of another black president in the white house in the near future--vanishingly small. The US hasn't even had a female president. You may pretend exceptionalism, but your country is less progressive than many in Europe.