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Report to @Dillinger for military background check.
Report to @arp2041 for physiological vetting.
Report to @Aeronaut for checks by ministry of interior.
Report to @KRAIT for financial checks (Yes we check those now as well)
Report to @S.U.R.B. for psychological testing
Report to @Secur for aptitude test

After I get a full report from the above, you'll have to swear Naswaree-oath-of-allegiance on the Emperors ring by kissing it... :D

Okay new joining here, what are the things to be done ???
 
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Report to @Dillinger for military background check.
Report to @arp2041 for physiological vetting.
Report to @Aeronaut for checks by ministry of interior.
Report to @KRAIT for financial checks (Yes we check those now as well)
Report to @S.U.R.B. for psychological testing
Report to @Secur for aptitude test

After I get a full report from the above, you'll have to swear Naswaree-oath-of-allegiance on the Emperors ring by kissing it... :D

jee jahapanah, abhi to gharwali maayeke gayi hai to bewde ko daaru naseeb hui hai, abhi dusre peg pe hai kal jarur sabse milke report kar denge :bounce:
 
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Agar gharr walee maike gayi hui hai to phirr theek hai. Issi khushi mein koi checks nahin hongay. Just an introduction will do. :D

jee jahapanah, abhi to gharwali maayeke gayi hai to bewde ko daaru naseeb hui hai, abhi dusre peg pe hai kal jarur sabse milke report kar denge :bounce:
 
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Hahaha let me answer that question for you on a public forum genius ;) LOLOL

Like I said I was just curious and the people there seem to be very knowledgeable. The people I know usually just give stern looks when asked any questions on this topic so I just got excited someone was actually answering my questions, that's all :)

But if I were to be a spy, damnn I'd be one awesome one...just saying haha

Nope you wouldn't, we'd use Rahul G to turn you. ;) @arp2041 @Ayush
 
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Report to @Dillinger for military background check.
Report to @arp2041 for physiological vetting.
Report to @Aeronaut for checks by ministry of interior.
Report to @KRAIT for financial checks (Yes we check those now as well)
Report to @S.U.R.B. for psychological testing
Report to @Secur for aptitude test

After I get a full report from the above, you'll have to swear Naswaree-oath-of-allegiance on the Emperors ring by kissing it... :D

Or just say Long Live @Imran Khan & you get DIRECT entry :rofl:
 
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Agar gharr walee maike gayi hui hai to phirr theek hai. Issi khushi mein koi checks nahin hongay. Just an introduction will do. :D

Jee to apun ka intro hai ki ek time pe ek number ka bewda aur awaara tha mai, shaadi hoke sab chut gai :cry: ab sabkuch chup chup ke karna padta hai. Galti se boldiya bewde dinon ke bare me abhi udhar hai to bhi, shyam ko phone aata hai for checking ki kya kar raha hai ye.

Main bolta hu ki madam ji main achhe bachhe ki tarah mithai kha raha hu :angel: aur bolta hu ki "kuch aisa waisa nahi kiya" :omghaha:
 
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The Kargil issue and its reason is pretty well explained in India (our version). Strategically, it would have dealt us .......................................Dunno what the future will bring? :)

And thats where it never really added up for me ! I can't understand why would such a misadventure be initiated if we weren't in the position of sustaining an all out war on the diplomatic & more so military front. I can understand the argument given that we were banking on the Nukes to bail us out from an all-out-war but I don't understand how we were planning on doing that when we didn't have much in the way of deliverance capability as Musharaf himself pointed out ? I still don't understand why wasn't the PAF or the Navy kept in the loop surely the top military minds no matter how less than exemplary they maybe can't be so naive so as to assume that even a mild escalation of sorts wouldn't lead to an all-out-war or at least a small border skirmish so that at the very least the Airforce & Navy High Command could be notified to have a contingency if something really happened. I can't understand how could seasoned soldiers including Musharaf who had the experience of serving in Siachin & even executing an attempt or two to make some inroads at there would be so utterly oblivious of the logistical & military constraints on any conflict at the positions we were fighting at. I can't understand how could someone, Musharaf, who displayed good diplomacy & the reading of International Politics later on as the Chief Executive & President of Pakistan even if his decisions had a blow-back effect was so utter devoid of that insight that he couldn't judge the response of the International Community when even a lay-man like myself can ? I can't understand how there appeared to be no contingency in place to deal with the situation if Kargil failed, I'm sure even a mid-level Officer is taught that never mind a bunch of Corp Commanders who are seasoned officers with years of Operational, Tactical & Strategic experience under their belts !

So no matter from where I look at it - It doesn't make much sense to me ! I could accept incompetence in a few areas but its very hard for me to rationally accept that the entire Operation & its adjacent decisions were utterly incompetent from A-to-Z; unless we were led by absolute amateurs who hadn't a clue about what the military is, which I don't think was the case, I find it very hard to believe that even less-than-capable officers could so magnanimously fail to appraise the situation properly.

Then theres the other thing - Whatever the objectives were in case of Kargil whether to cut-off Siachin or do something else....why did Pakistan still hold onto some of the peaks & still does till now ? Why....what was the purpose behind it ? Face saving ? I think not ! And why didn't India manage to evict us from what is maintained to be as Indian territory ? Or better yet why didn't India, like '65, cross over the border & attack some of our city centers to relieve some of that pressure either during the war or at its closure when we still had some of those ever so strategic peaks overlooking that Highway ? Was it that farce of a measured response that keeps showing its face over & over again whether it be the '01/02 Stand-Off, the Mumbai Attacks or even the recent alleged beheadings & the ensuing media frenzy ?

So whichever way I look at it - I dunno what happened there & why did it happen ? I think the argument that we failed on the diplomatic front & that we could have sustained it on the Military front may merit a second glance but even that doesn't add up for me ! And so I really don't know about this that much !

I would very much favor a Kargil Commission to be formed, a closed door one if circumstance don't permit us, to determine what really happened therein, why did it happen & what lessons do we learn from it ?
 
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Butt is the Persian word for Perfection Incarnate & because she was a perfect Pakistani - She, like her Brother & like myself, are all Butt ! :agree:

Unlike fat baby elephants like yourself who've betrayed us all by switching over to Fish instead of Chicken ! :whistle:

Butt is also the English word for ***. :cheesy:
 
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And thats where it never really added up for me ! I can't understand why would such a misadventure be initiated if we weren't in the position of sustaining an all out war on the diplomatic & more so military front. I can understand the argument given that we were banking on the Nukes to bail us out from an all-out-war but I don't understand how we were planning on doing that when we didn't have much in the way of deliverance capability as Musharaf himself pointed out ? I still don't understand why wasn't the PAF or the Navy kept in the loop surely the top military minds no matter how less than exemplary they maybe can't be so naive so as to assume that even a mild escalation of sorts wouldn't lead to an all-out-war or at least a small border skirmish so that at the very least the Airforce & Navy High Command could be notified to have a contingency if something really happened. I can't understand how could seasoned soldiers including Musharaf who had the experience of serving in Siachin & even executing an attempt or two to make some inroads at there would be so utterly oblivious of the logistical & military constraints on any conflict at the positions we were fighting at. I can't understand how could someone, Musharaf, who displayed good diplomacy & the reading of International Politics later on as the Chief Executive & President of Pakistan even if his decisions had a blow-back effect was so utter devoid of that insight that he couldn't judge the response of the International Community when even a lay-man like myself can ? I can't understand how there appeared to be no contingency in place to deal with the situation if Kargil failed, I'm sure even a mid-level Officer is taught that never mind a bunch of Corp Commanders who are seasoned officers with years of Operational, Tactical & Strategic experience under their belts !

So no matter from where I look at it - It doesn't make much sense to me ! I could accept incompetence in a few areas but its very hard for me to rationally accept that the entire Operation & its adjacent decisions were utterly incompetent from A-to-Z; unless we were led by absolute amateurs who hadn't a clue about what the military is, which I don't think was the case, I find it very hard to believe that even less-than-capable officers could so magnanimously fail to appraise the situation properly.

Then theres the other thing - Whatever the objectives were in case of Kargil whether to cut-off Siachin or do something else....why did Pakistan still hold onto some of the peaks & still does till now ? Why....what was the purpose behind it ? Face saving ? I think not ! And why didn't India manage to evict us from what is maintained to be as Indian territory ? Or better yet why didn't India, like '65, cross over the border & attack some of our city centers to relieve some of that pressure either during the war or at its closure when we still had some of those ever so strategic peaks overlooking that Highway ? Was it that farce of a measured response that keeps showing its face over & over again whether it be the '01/02 Stand-Off, the Mumbai Attacks or even the recent alleged beheadings & the ensuing media frenzy ?

So whichever way I look at it - I dunno what happened there & why did it happen ? I think the argument that we failed on the diplomatic front & that we could have sustained it on the Military front may merit a second glance but even that doesn't add up for me ! And so I really don't know about this that much !



And thats where it never really added up for me ! I can't understand why would such a misadventure be initiated if we weren't in the position of sustaining an all out war on the diplomatic & more so military front. I can understand the argument given that we were banking on the Nukes to bail us out from an all-out-war but I don't understand how we were planning on doing that when we didn't have much in the way of deliverance capability as Musharaf himself pointed out ? I still don't understand why wasn't the PAF or the Navy kept in the loop surely the top military minds no matter how less than exemplary they maybe can't be so naive so as to assume that even a mild escalation of sorts wouldn't lead to an all-out-war or at least a small border skirmish so that at the very least the Airforce & Navy High Command could be notified to have a contingency if something really happened. I can't understand how could seasoned soldiers including Musharaf who had the experience of serving in Siachin & even executing an attempt or two to make some inroads at there would be so utterly oblivious of the logistical & military constraints on any conflict at the positions we were fighting at. I can't understand how could someone, Musharaf, who displayed good diplomacy & the reading of International Politics later on as the Chief Executive & President of Pakistan even if his decisions had a blow-back effect was so utter devoid of that insight that he couldn't judge the response of the International Community when even a lay-man like myself can ? I can't understand how there appeared to be no contingency in place to deal with the situation if Kargil failed, I'm sure even a mid-level Officer is taught that never mind a bunch of Corp Commanders who are seasoned officers with years of Operational, Tactical & Strategic experience under their belts !

So no matter from where I look at it - It doesn't make much sense to me ! I could accept incompetence in a few areas but its very hard for me to rationally accept that the entire Operation & its adjacent decisions were utterly incompetent from A-to-Z; unless we were led by absolute amateurs who hadn't a clue about what the military is, which I don't think was the case, I find it very hard to believe that even less-than-capable officers could so magnanimously fail to appraise the situation properly.

Then theres the other thing - Whatever the objectives were in case of Kargil whether to cut-off Siachin or do something else....why did Pakistan still hold onto some of the peaks & still does till now ? Why....what was the purpose behind it ? Face saving ? I think not ! And why didn't India manage to evict us from what is maintained to be as Indian territory ? Or better yet why didn't India, like '65, cross over the border & attack some of our city centers to relieve some of that pressure either during the war or at its closure when we still had some of those ever so strategic peaks overlooking that Highway ? Was it that farce of a measured response that keeps showing its face over & over again whether it be the '01/02 Stand-Off, the Mumbai Attacks or even the recent alleged beheadings & the ensuing media frenzy ?

So whichever way I look at it - I dunno what happened there & why did it happen ? I think the argument that we failed on the diplomatic front & that we could have sustained it on the Military front may merit a second glance but even that doesn't add up for me ! And so I really don't know about this that much !


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