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Narendra Modi Could Make or Break Obama’s Climate Legacy
By CORAL DAVENPORT and ELLEN BARRYNOV. 30, 2015


LE BOURGET, France — Since Prime Minister Narendra Modi came to power, President Obama has not missed many opportunities to convey what a warm rapport he has forged with the Indian leader.

There was the admiring essay about Mr. Modi that Mr. Obama wrote in Time magazine, and the image of them tête-à-tête at the Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial in Washington, their entourages left behind. Mr. Obama’s national security adviser said the two men had “chemistry” and expressed confidence that American interests made it “worth the investment in the relationship.”


Exactly how much that investment has paid off will become clear this week during the climate negotiations on the outskirts of Paris, where India, the world’s third-largest greenhouse gas polluter, has emerged as a pivotal player in shaping the outcome of a deal on which Mr. Obama hopes to build his legacy — or whether a deal emerges at all. So far, Indian negotiators have publicly staked out an uncompromising position.

India embodies a critical tension that will play out in Paris between developed nations like the United States, which are calling for universal emissions cuts, and developing nations like India, which say they deserve to increase fossil fuel use as their economies grow or else receive billions of dollars to make the transition to cleaner energy.

After Mr. Modi met Mr. Obama on Monday — their sixth meeting in 14 months — he told reporters that the two leaders had “such a deep relationship that we are able to openly discuss all issues,” and he said that he was happy to work “shoulder to shoulder with the United States.”

But in an earlier speech on Monday, Mr. Modi said climate change was not India’s fault, and blamed instead “the prosperity and progress of an industrial age powered by fossil fuel.”

“But we in India face its consequences today,” he said.

That India has positioned itself as the champion of developing nations is no great surprise, based on past climate talks. But Mr. Modi, who wrote an e-book presenting the moral case for action on climate change, had been seen by American policy makers as a leader who might break that pattern.


“I think Obama got carried away with Modi, frankly,” said Jairam Ramesh, a leader of the opposition Indian National Congress party, who served as minister of the environment under the previous government. Mr. Modi has made one major breakthrough in talks with Mr. Obama, Mr. Ramesh said, committing “against the advice of everyone in the system” to limit the use of hydrofluorocarbons, or HFCs, a component in refrigerators and air-conditioners. Since then, he said, India’s negotiators have returned to their familiar, confrontational manner.

“India is not an easy country to negotiate with,” Mr. Ramesh said. “We are moralistic, we are argumentative, we are regressive. It has gone back to the old rhetoric, there is no doubt about it.”

India was the last major economy to submit its plans for a domestic climate change policy ahead of the Paris talks. And the proposal, while it included a significant expansion of renewable energy, would also see India’s carbon pollution triple in the coming decades. Indian officials have painted that projection as a concession, saying that in a business-as-usual situation, their emissions would soar at an even higher rate.

Leaders in New Delhi argue that limiting coal use would cripple the economy and harm a population struggling to escape poverty, including 300 million Indians who live without electricity. They also say India has done little to contribute to the problem of global warming: India’s annual per capita carbon dioxide emissions are 1.7 tons, compared with 16.6 tons per person in the United States and 7.4 tons per person in China.

During the climate change talks, India is expected to challenge the United States on three counts: to speed up emissions reductions by wealthy countries to compensate for emissions growth in poor countries, to pay more to poor countries to assist in mitigation plans, and to provide clean-energy technology to poor countries.

Ashley Tellis, a senior associate with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said Mr. Obama had “tried hard” to persuade Mr. Modi to shift India off those more hard-line negotiating positions ahead of the climate talks, “but failed.”

“I still think that if the U.S. position comes to enjoy a strong consensus in Paris, India will not come in the way, but this acquiescence will materialize only at the last moment,” Mr. Tellis said. He said that Mr. Obama, in his talks with Mr. Modi, should have focused on the more modest goal of ensuring that India would not block a consensus.

The administration quickly disputed that contention.

“In our view, it has been very clear from Prime Minister Modi’s messages, including in his meeting with the president today, that India is committed to an ambitious Paris agreement that protects the planet while promoting the development and growth of countries like India,” said a White House official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the negotiations were in progress.

Knowing Mr. Modi’s position, the Obama administration has been working to reduce the tensions with India and the developing world without significantly increasing taxpayer spending.

In a move that appeared explicitly intended to win India’s cooperation in Paris, Bill Gates, the Microsoft founder and billionaire philanthropist, joined the Obama administration to create what is being called the largest public-private coalition for funding renewable energy. The coalition has the cooperation of 20 countries, including the United States and India, which have pledged to double their funding of renewable energy research, and it will feature a renewable energy research fund paid for by 28 billionaire philanthropists, including two prominent Indian businessmen.

The plans for the fund came together after the French president, François Hollande, who is deeply invested in the success of the Paris talks, invited Mr. Gates and Mr. Modi to meet on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York in September. As Mr. Obama has tried to find ways to bring Mr. Modi into a deal, his officials have worked closely with Mr. Gates.

Mr. Hollande in the meantime worked with Mr. Modi on another initiative: a 121-nation solar energy alliance, which Mr. Modi unveiled Monday in the conference’s Indian pavilion.

Some analysts caution against overreacting to India’s negotiating postures — or, for that matter, its projections for expansion in its coal sector, which is dogged by corruption and inefficiency.

“We’re seeing them put forth their national interest, but you’re also seeing a willingness to negotiate,” said Jennifer Morgan, an expert on international climate change negotiations with the World Resources Institute, a research organization. “They’re staking out the priorities for their country. They know they’re not going to get everything they need, but they’re going to fight hard. This is classic positioning.”
Ms. Morgan predicted that India would engage in hard-line brinkmanship into overtime sessions of the climate talks, but that ultimately Mr. Modi does not want a deal to collapse.

Some Indian leaders expressed concern that India’s contributions to climate efforts could be eclipsed by the negotiators’ adversarial tone. “I really believe that Modi wants to be remembered as the person who turned India green,” said Anand Mahindra, the chairman of the Mahindra Group, who has joined an international group of corporate leaders calling for carbon pricing at the talks.

“He is trying to take the lead as a green warrior,” he said of Mr. Modi. “He is being held back by this old reflexive rhetoric.”

Mr. Mahindra may be an outlier, though. Domestic audiences, on both the right and the left, are eager to see Mr. Modi and his environment minister, Prakash Javadekar, demonstrate influence in the international arena by standing up to pressure from Europe and the United States and demanding financing for green energy.

India’s major newspapers carried editorials on Monday from prominent figures urging negotiators to stand their ground, even at the cost of being labeled obstructionists or spoilers.

“The more criticism India comes under in Paris, the more applause Javadekar will get in Parliament and elsewhere,” said Mr. Ramesh, the former environment minister. “This is the dichotomy of the situation.”

Coral Davenport reported from Le Bourget, and Ellen Barry from New Delhi.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/01/w...make-or-break-obamas-climate-legacy.html?_r=0
 
India, Russia may throw cold water climate deal
'That would send a message to the rest of the world'
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Leo Hohmann is a news editor for WND. He has been a reporter and editor at several suburban newspapers in the Atlanta and Charlotte, North Carolina, areas and also served as managing editor of Triangle Business Journal in Raleigh, North Carolina.



President Obama speaks at the COP 21 climate summit in Paris, Monday, Nov. 30, 2015 (Photo: Twitter, White House)

A lot is at stake in Paris over the next two weeks as heads of state from 150 nations gather to determine how best to cut carbon emissions and contain an apocalyptic vision of “climate change.”

America’s middle class is expected to get dinged again if President Obama’s climate change plan is funded by Congress. Taxes and energy costs are expected to rise if coal-fired emissions are cut to the extent pledged by Obama.

Now one of the top conservative climate-change analysts is saying to “watch India” for clues as to how well the United Nations climate agenda is being swallowed by world leaders.

Patrick Wood, an economist and author of “Technocracy Rising: The Trojan Horse of Global Transformation,” says India could be the elephant in the room, and it has already hinted that it will not be bullied by Obama or the U.N. on climate change.

“And we’ve already seen India calling the U.S. a carbon imperialist; we’re one of the carbon bigots of the world, and how dare we, Obama, try and tell India how to run its affairs?” Wood told WND. “Of course, they’re right. And they’re not happy about it at all. You can tell they’re mad.”

India’s minister of the environment said last week India is not about to phase out coal as a major energy source, like Western nations are demanding. He stated that India is “not in the habit of taking any pressure from anybody,” the Telegraph reported.

Russia has already said it won’t abide by the carbon cuts designed to limit global warming to 2 to 3 degrees centigrade. India could be the next domino to fall, Wood said.

“In the case of Obama we already know what he’s going to do. He’s already laid it out. He’s going to use the Clean Air Act, rewrite it, to implement all these polices. What the U.N. is looking for in all this is consensus,” Wood told WND. “This is essentially a giant consensus meeting in Paris. In a smaller sense, we’ve seen consensus meetings wherever you have Agenda 21 being promoted, at meetings with predetermined outcomes, making people feel like they are contributing to the outcome but they really weren’t.”


So Paris is supposed to be where every country gets on board with the plan to reduce carbon. The U.N. is lining up its ducks for a global policy that will result is a massive redistribution of wealth from industrialized countries to poor countries, Wood said.

“So if that’s their goal, let’s talk about the risks: What if they came out with only a partial consensus? What if some minor countries said, ‘We’re not going along with this’?”

That might lead to a few cracks in the consensus dike, but it wouldn’t be enough to break apart the agenda.

“But what if a major one like India balked? If a big player like India refused to sign on and let it be known to the world, that would be huge,” Wood said. “And I think it would send a message to the rest of the world that something is wrong with this agenda. Remember, Russia is already out. Without India and Russia, there is no consensus. Those are two very big, very important countries on the planet.

“That would send a message to the rest of the world that they’re basically fools for buying into this thing,” he continued. “So they’re trying to line up their ducks, and it’s already precarious.”

A similar conference in Copenhagen, Denmark, six years ago ended in failure.


India, Russia may throw cold water climate deal
 
I like the stance of Indian government.
"India did not cause the present crisis, only developed nations".
Those usurpers in West would grow massively and cause global warming and now come with a rule book to be applied equally on everyone. What a selfish attitude !!
I like the stance of India to support developing and poorer nations right from the previous Copenhagen climate summit. Way to go India.
 
'India's Progress Is Our Destiny,' Says Modi At Climate Change Talks

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PARIS -- In his first remarks at the U.N. Climate Change Conference in Paris today, Prime Minister Narendra Modi set the tone for India's line of negotiations over the course of the next two weeks: "India's progress is our destiny and right of our people. But we must also lead in combating climate change."

Modi said that India would approach the climate change talks in a "spirit of partnership, which must be based on the principles of equity and common but differentiated responsibilities."

On Monday, over 150 world leaders including U.S. President Barack Obama and China's President Xi Jinping gave speeches to affirm their political commitment to combat climate change.

Modi's first remarks were made at the inauguration of the India pavilion at the Le Bourget Conference Centre, which has created quite a stir. He shared the stage with Environment Minister Prakash Javadekar and Power Minister Piyush Goyal. His speech to over 200 countries attending the conference is scheduled for Monday afternoon here.

The main objective of this conference is for nations to reach an agreement on how to stop global temperature from rising above two degrees Celsius over preindustrial levels, and avert the worst consequences of climate change. But combined CO2 emissions reduction targets submitted by developed nations, so far, will limit temperature rise to 2.7 degrees Celsius.

India is contending with a huge challenge to combat poverty and accelerate its economic growth, which will largely be powered by fossil fuels over the next two decades. Meanwhile, the world expects India, the fourth largest emitter of CO2 after China, the U.S. and the European Union bloc, to take on weightier obligations to counter climate change.

While the world is worried about India's plan to majorly ramp up its use of coal could derail the global plan to combat climate change, New Delhi has ruled out any compromise on its developments which includes providing electricity to 304 million people (24 percent of the global population) who live without power.

In view of these concerns and its own vulnerability to climate change, India's action plan is to reduce the emissions intensity of its GDP by 33-35 percent by 2030 from 2005 levels, and produce 40 percent of electric power from non-fossil fuel based energy.

In his initial address today, Modi talked about what India's plans to meet these goals.

"We have a target for renewable generation of 175 Gigawatt by 2022. We have got off to a good start, with nearly 12 GW likely to be installed by 2016, more than three times the current capacity," he said. "Like cellular phones before, we can use renewable energy to bring power to our 18000 unconnected villages quickly and cleanly."

Modi also discussed investing in supercritical technology in thermal plants, imposing taxes on coal and reduced subsidies on petroleum products, raising fuel standards for automobiles, and introducing tax free bonds for renewable energy.

"In the past few months, millions of households have switched to LED bulbs and we have plans to replace diesel by fuel cells to power the thousands of our telecom towers," he said.

Modi laid down two principles: "zero defect, zero effect" for the manufacturing hub, and "more crop per drop" for agriculture.


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India's per capita CO2 emission is much lower than developed countries, should not developed countries try to bring it to India's level?
 
India's per capita CO2 emission is much lower than developed countries, should not developed countries try to bring it to India's level?

LOL.... are you expecting "fair play" from "developed countries" ? :lol:

These are the same nations that traded in Slaves and Slavery and then turn around and preach to India about "caste" :lol:

India currently contributes 1.7 tons of carbon dioxide emissions per year, compared to 16.6 tons for the United States and 7.4 tons for China.
 
While i agree with the sentiment that developing nations should not be held accountable to the same degree as developed ones, the situation has become so critical as of now that concessions from developing countries will have to be made.

Then there's the thing: people see what roughly 1 billion westerners did in regards to pollution and the obvious fear is, when/if China and India reach the same gdp/capita the effects of it's much larger populations would be too much.
So, the game is on for you to commit to this before you reach the "middle income-polluting like shit, because i buy plastics that i don't need and drive when i can walk" category.

Whatever pandering and procrastination on this issue will just bite us all (whole planet) in the ass not so long from now.
The expectations that west will finance you "going green" are folly. At least from EU's perspective, most likely from US one as well, they aren't in exactly stellar financial condition also.

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While i agree with the sentiment that developing nations should not be held accountable to the same degree as developed ones, the situation has become so critical as of now that concessions from developing countries will have to be made.

Then there's the thing: people see what roughly 1 billion westerners did in regards to pollution and the obvious fear is, when/if China and India reach the same gdp/capita the effects of it's much larger populations would be too much.
So, the game is on for you to commit to this before you reach the "middle income-polluting like shit, because i buy plastics that i don't need and drive when i can walk" category.

Whatever pandering and procrastination on this issue will just bite us all (whole planet) in the ass not so long from now.
The expectations that west will finance you "going green" are folly. At least from EU's perspective, most likely from US one as well, they aren't in exactly stellar financial condition also.

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And we are not interested to become the sacrificial lamb.
 
While i agree with the sentiment that developing nations should not be held accountable to the same degree as developed ones, the situation has become so critical as of now that concessions from developing countries will have to be made.

Then there's the thing: people see what roughly 1 billion westerners did in regards to pollution and the obvious fear is, when/if China and India reach the same gdp/capita the effects of it's much larger populations would be too much.
So, the game is on for you to commit to this before you reach the "middle income-polluting like shit, because i buy plastics that i don't need and drive when i can walk" category.

Whatever pandering and procrastination on this issue will just bite us all (whole planet) in the ass not so long from now.
The expectations that west will finance you "going green" are folly. At least from EU's perspective, most likely from US one as well, they aren't in exactly stellar financial condition also.

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plastic usage can be controlled in India, many cities have banned plastic bags. The main issue is access to cheap energy. Without cheap energy, poorer countries will remain in the vicious circle of poverty, and rich countries will remain 'donor' while feeling good about themselves.
If rich countries want they can fund alternative energy source in developing countries. In the meantime can you reduce your own carbon footprint please. Its like a fat dude saying skinny dude's family eats too much coz they are poor and got big family.
Its not historical pollution only, its whats going on now. 16 ton per head is crime. But guess what, you wont because it will affect your own quality of life. People in UK are pissed at high energy bill because govt is going green without their consent.
 
And we are not interested to become the sacrificial lamb.

Talking about sacrificial lambs

India's doctors blame air pollution for sharp rise in respiratory diseases | World news | The Guardian

You would actually be helping yourself as well, but then, that would require to find a new business model, one where "green" factories actually make a profit (all those filters on chimneys, water sewage etc). Won't happen anytime soon most likely.
You'll probably end up like China, without so much money and will start paying attention at this problem once the costs from medical treatment and people's rage skyrocket.


Its not historical pollution only, its whats going on now. 16 ton per head is crime. But guess what, you wont because it will affect your own quality of life. People in UK are pissed at high energy bill because govt is going green without their consent.

Imho pollution in US has to a large extent have to do with their gas guzzling engines, less than industry. But that's just an opinion, didn't really go into checking anything.
 
Talking about sacrificial lambs

India's doctors blame air pollution for sharp rise in respiratory diseases | World news | The Guardian

You would actually be helping yourself as well, but then, that would require to find a new business model, one where "green" factories actually make a profit (all those filters on chimneys, water sewage etc). Won't happen anytime soon most likely.
You'll probably end up like China, without so much money and will start paying attention at this problem once the costs from medical treatment and people's rage skyrocket.

Unfortunately, we have little option but to first become rich and than to worry about health issues, it's better than starving to death in poverty with fine clean lungs. Western world must pay for the pollution it caused, otherwise they should stop preaching. We all have a right to bare minimum standard of life, if not the lavish lifestyle of the rich countries....who are too poor to pay for cleaning up their own filth.

Problem is that we live on the same planet.

Yes, but differently. Someone is is living with 6 ACs and 3 cars, leaving a massive carbon footprint behind, and asking a dirt poor somewhere with two goats and one kerosene lamp to continue living in abject poverty to save the earth from global warming. We all live on the same planet, so the rich guy should discard 4 ACs and 2 cars, and buy that poor fellow an expensive solar energy kit, or stop complaining if that poor fellow buys a cheap diesel genset for a better living, the rich guy did the same to become rich.
 
Unfortunately, we have little option but to first become rich and than to worry about health issues, it's better than starving to death in poverty with fine clean lungs. Western world must pay for the pollution it caused, otherwise they should stop preaching. We all have a right to bare minimum standard of life, if not the lavish lifestyle of the rich countries....who are too poor to pay for cleaning up their own filth.

We can always agree to disagree on what the right course of action is and what would be the consequences of not taking it, np.
 

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