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LCA Tejas!!!
Wow, the fruit of diligent research is this; Mr. Researcher!
Whatta flop.
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LCA Tejas!!!
I liked your comments about the Sikh use of the Quoit and the Dandastram, although the wisecrack about 'history' not being our strength came too close to the bone for comfort!
What did you mean, btw, by your remarks above? I am not sure and would like you to clarify before I comment. Are you saying that around 100 BC to 100 AD, nobody knew how to forge steel? to gauge temperature? to carbonise steel? Even taking the other end of the time envelope into account, is it your case that this was - these were - unknown around 1000 BC?
It's been dull on the forum; I look forward to your response with anticipation and hope.
Many weapons mentioned were actual weapons used in ancient times, later given mythological status. for example, Sudarshana Chakra........ can any one of you tell me the technique to throw this chakra?????
Just remember there is another form of chakra still practised by Sikhs of Punjab.
If 2000 or 3000 years ago, any body to writ down about how to forge steel blade? how to gauge temperature? how to carbonize steel? then above description will hold true.
Color of heated metal or alloys were observed to estimate temperature........ hot blade dipped in blood(fluid having high carbon content??) to give extra strength to steel.
Then why are you running around in an enemy's forum, defending your country, your honor? or what?
You translate?....... More that 90% of your(?) scriptures was translated by non-hindus?
Can you please answer my post dated 20-01-2011 regarding Sudarshana Chakra?
Do you really have knowledge and understand all what is written?
You believe what ever you want to and we believe what eve we want to.
Not only good at mathematics and astronomy but in metallurgy, medicine, arts and crafts, sexology, linguistics, literature, jurisprudence, Philosophy, etc. etc. etc.................................... Except...........
HISTORY
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Comment on 'History' was bit dramatized to get attention of the readers. but it is true to the bone.
My comments regarding steel were in response to the original post titled Asi by thread starter 'Divya' in which myth regarding creation of Asi(sword) was told.
My comment is my interpretation of that myth. Hoping to clear my point.
My question regarding Sudarshana Chakra remain unanswered till now.
The most powerful stick type weapon in Abrahamic texts is the staff of Moses.Bhramadanda The Deadliest of all weapons
Bhramadanda which shares its name with the stick used by the sages was the stick used by bhrama. As a defensive weapon it had the power to stop all other weapons but when used on offensive purpose it would destroy the entire universe. There are no evidences of its usage in any of the scriptures though Drona in Mahabharata had knowledge to use it but he never used it.
The most powerful stick type weapon in Abrahamic texts is the staff of Moses.
Amongst various miracles, he split the red sea. There's an alternate belief that as prince of Egypt, Moses had access to special mythical weapons in the Egyptian armory.
The Pharoah initially allowed the 12 tribes to leave, but then suddenly decided to chase after them with his army. It is believed at this time, the Pharoah learned that the Prophet had left with some super powerful weapon mounted to his staff.
Anyway, its myth and neo-myth now, with it being created by imagination of mankind. Although I personally feel that you can perhaps get 1% of reality from the mythical stories as most of them were probably depicted magical as the people of the times didn't understand technology that may be relatively very advance.
Pretty sure there would be a holy grail like myth in Hinduism too.
there is a myth that there was a secreat society which was formed by asoka to preseve the knowledge which could be dangerous to men in coming times. it is said that the group still remains hidden preserving this knowledge
there is a myth that there was a secreat society which was formed by asoka to preseve the knowledge which could be dangerous to men in coming times. it is said that the group still remains hidden preserving this knowledge
And the myth goes on like the texts with those knowledge were preserved at the ancient university at Nalanda and it was secretly carted away to monastries in Tibet when Baktiyar Khilji ravaged it.
It is thought that those texts are preserved till now there.
Dear sir, You must understand what you are talking. A man with the weapons and skill of Bishma would be unstoppable. if you consult Mahabharata, half of Pandava army was annihilated by Bishma alone in 10 days(may be, as I don't remember clearly but I do remember all was over in 18 days) and Arjuna had to resolve to UNFAIR means.
Such Knowledge(IF) extant(IF) carted away on donkeys for what purpose. If safe keeping? then burn it to ashes, it will be safe for posterity.
Answering myth with a "myth".
--Bishma whlie lying on bed of arrows asks for water and refuse to drink by ordinary means so "Arjuna mounts his chariot and after some driving" shoot an arrow in the ground, a fountain erupts and thirst of Bishma is quenched. Bishma then advices the Kuru King, Durjodana, to make peace with Pandavas as no one alive could do that---
As all died by the end of Mahabarata, and no disciple of Arjuna mentioned, so no one left with knowledge.
Furthermore, I dont remember reading about any "text of warfare" in Mahabharata. Everyone wanted celestial weapons and nowhere is mentioned Manual.
Wow, So long a post, my patience duly rewarded.
I will try one thing at a time.
Sikhs know how to use Chakram, War Quoits (Not to be confused with Sudarshana Chakra or Quoit of Zena). I remember seeing a video on youtube in which a young Akali warrior shows some sword forms and then threw some chakram, first small about 4 inches diameter, by whirling very quickly chakram around index finger, hand at the level little above head, and with a snap hurl it towards target.No, I must humbly confess that none of us know how to use the Sudarshan Chakra, nor do any of us, Sikhs included, know how the chakram was used. You seem to have the upper hand over the whole pack of us on this one.
A correct technique indeed.
He, Akali, then threw larger chakram (about the size shown in your posted link) like a Frisbee, hand wrapped around outer edge, pulled back under other armpit, released imparting a spin with the power of arm.
A Wrong technique, i am afraid.
Wow, So long a post, my patience duly rewarded.
I will try one thing at a time.
Sikhs know how to use Chakram, War Quoits (Not to be confused with Sudarshana Chakra or Quoit of Zena). I remember seeing a video on youtube in which a young Akali warrior shows some sword forms and then threw some chakram, first small about 4 inches diameter, by whirling very quickly chakram around index finger, hand at the level little above head, and with a snap hurl it towards target.
A correct technique indeed.
He, Akali, then threw larger chakram (about the size shown in your posted link) like a Frisbee, hand wrapped around outer edge, pulled back under other armpit, released imparting a spin with the power of arm.
A Wrong technique, i am afraid.
actually what u r talking about is chakra. though in sanskrit it is called chakram. sudarshan chakra was different in terms as it was formed from the sun dust along with pushpak vimana and shivas trident. it has 2 spikes rotating in opposite direction. and i guess it had some 10 million spikes if i remember correctly.
not everyone died in mahabharta including kauravas. at the end there were 3 kauravas left along with the clan of arjun by parikshit. parikshit was the one who almost killed the kali yuga personified before allowing him in gold. it is said that it was kali yuga because of which this knowledge was to destroyed because people will stop being pious and will start questioning god for his existence. evil will be at its best. there wont be any yajnas, whole world will get confused about god and towards the end there will be only oe relation left of man and woman....
That was made as a last resort to end the war, though he himself knew it wouldn work with Duryodana....Sorry I could not elaborate my point earlier. As I recall from memory if it serves well,.... Bishma while lying on bed or arrows tell Durjodana that Arjuna only left with knowledge, .....
Sorry I could not elaborate my point earlier. As I recall from memory if it serves well,.... Bishma while lying on bed or arrows tell Durjodana that Arjuna only left with knowledge, ......