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:laugh: Are YOU telling ME about infrastructure? Myanmar has rejected a number of FDI opportunities and a number of infrastructure projects from outside because it's important to look at the bigger picture. There are diverse opportunities in Myanmar but ownership is an issue.

There is nothing in Bangladesh but slave labour.

Now get back in your cage. You don't belong in this section.
:omghaha::omghaha::omghaha: even your own report says that Burma is only depending on FDI :sarcastic::sarcastic::sarcastic: read again :laughcry::laughcry:
 
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:omghaha::omghaha::omghaha: even your own report says that Burma is only depending on FDI :sarcastic::sarcastic::sarcastic: read again :laughcry::laughcry:

You're as stupid as iadjani. The point of the quoting the report is to highlight a mixed development strategy. If we were desperate for FDI, we would have removed capital controls - which we
haven't. FDI is being controlled. I don't just go with what McKinsey say nor does the government. FDI was only a minor part of their report. It was actually their 'sales pitch'.

Do Bangladeshis have a problem with simple logic? Why do you confuse everything?
 
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You're as stupid as iadjani. The point of the quoting the report is to highlight a mixed development strategy. If we were desperate for FDI, we would have removed capital controls - which we
haven't. FDI is being controlled. I don't just go with what McKinsey say nor does the government. FDI was only a minor part of their report. It was actually their 'sales pitch'.

Do Bangladeshis have a problem with simple logic? Why do you confuse everything?
aaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha how funny it is when you are quoting a report but refusing its statement lol
 
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Here is a similar view but from an alternate source (the ADB):

Myanmar: Unlocking the Potential | Asian Development Bank

Obviously, it's a dry academic piece so I'll pick out the key points

  • Accelerating governance and public sector reform;
  • Ensuring macroeconomic and financial stability;
  • Creating a business-enabling environment;
  • Leveraging rich endowments;
  • Fostering internationally competitive sectors—manufacturing and services;
  • Enhancing regional connectivity and integration;
  • Promoting human development and poverty reduction; and
  • Pursuing environmentally sustainable growth.

Ray of hope for the Rohingya


Ray of hope for the Rohingya
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The acceptance of the "Bengali" label gave 54-year-old Min Aung, a Rohingya in Rakhine state, a much-coveted green card. This gives him freedom to move around Myanmar, but comes with restricted political rights. -- PHOTO: CHAN HTAW

By Nirmal Ghosh, Indochina Bureau Chief In Bangkok
Pink is best, but green will do just as well. Both colours represent citizenship for Myanmar's minority Muslim Rohingya.

A camp for the displaced, housing some 3,000 residents in Myebon town in Rakhine state, has been chosen for a pilot project that offers citizenship, only if they meet certain conditions.

More than 1,000 have applied for the identity cards. If they can prove they were born in Myanmar before 1982 and, depending on how many generations of ancestors they can prove lived in what is now Myanmar, they will get either a pink card, the colour denoting full citizenship, or a green one, for naturalised citizens. The latter category gives them freedom to move around the country, but comes with restricted political rights and can be revoked.

But there is one overriding condition to citizenship: the Rohingya must not identify themselves as "Rohingya". Register as "Bengali", the government tells them, and your cases will be reviewed.

The story of the Rohingya is of a people trapped in the politically correct box of their own identity.

The mess that Myanmar's quasi-civilian government, still in a fragile transition to democracy after decades of iron-fisted military rule, has inherited is just one of the end-results of centuries of land and sea migrations, and the setting of post-colonial political boundaries. The Rohingya are, broadly speaking, ethnically South Asian, from the Chittagong region of Bangladesh.

In Rakhine state today, there are three main Muslim communities - indigenous Kaman, Rakhine Muslims whose ancestors have been there for several generations, and historically more recent settlers who began to assume and emphasise their Rohingya identity in the 1940s.

After Myanmar became independent in 1948, its democratic government accepted the Rohingya, of which there are more than one million in Rakhine state.

When the army took over in the 1960s, it superimposed a brand of Islamophobia on the already complex history and politics of Rakhine state, and the Rohingya were left out of the national idea of Myanmar.

That, ironically, drove them to cling even more tightly to their Rohingya identity, which they later converted into a legal claim to put them on par with the country's 135 recognised ethnic minorities.

Ms Chris Lewa of the advocacy group Arakan Project said: "Of course (the name Rohingya) is blocking the dialogue. But they insist on it so much because there is nowhere else to go."

Rohingya activist groups abroad have put the identity issue front and centre. But this clashes with the nationalism of the over three million Rakhine Buddhists who are the majority in the state.

Like the Rohingya, Rakhine Buddhists have their own sense of victimhood. In 1784, their Rakhine kingdom was defeated by the Burmans or "Bamars".

The Rakhine Buddhists feel squeezed between the majority Burmans to the east, and Muslim- majority Bangladesh to the west. They also feel left out of international humanitarian aid, which goes mainly to the Rohingya.

The issue has also to be seen in the context of right-wing Buddhist nationalism in Myanmar and Sri Lanka. Right-wing radicals in both countries cite a so-called "existential crisis in Buddhism" and identify Islam as a threat.

There are undeniably also deep-seated cultural prejudices and even racism in the mix.

In 2009, a Myanmar diplomat in Hong Kong shocked the diplomatic community when he called "dark brown" Rohingya "ugly as ogres" in an e-mail.

Multiple layers of prejudice are at work, and the narratives have been hijacked by radicals on both sides. "The problems faced by Rakhine state are rooted in decades of armed violence, authoritarian rule and state-society conflict," says an International Crisis Group report released this week.

This political reality means the central government has to tread carefully.

Last month at the Myebon camp, citizenship cards were given to 209 people, including 40 Rohingya.

For the Rohingya, the only thing standing in the way of their becoming a Myanmar citizen is the term "Rohingya". And the government, dealing on the one hand with radical Rakhine Buddhists and with right-wing Burman Buddhists on the other, has made it clear it will not budge from its position.

Yet not all Rohingya insist on the label, especially those in the southern part of the state. And the central government is plodding on with the verification process.

Speaking on the phone to The Straits Times from New York, Mr Vijay Nambiar, the UN Secretary- General's special envoy to Myanmar, said: "The minister of population, Mr Khin Yi, has mentioned publicly to various people, to the international community and the US, that there is no reason to believe that most of the 1.2 to 1.3 million 'Bengalis' in that region are there illegally."

Even those who get the treasured IDs face grave uncertainties. For one thing, citizenship does not guarantee an end to discrimination. Some Rohingya fear that allowing themselves to be tagged "Bengali" could lead to their being regarded as foreigners and deported.

Still, the Myebon exercise offers a glimmer of hope for a group of people whose only other choice is permanent incarceration in squalid camps.

One Muslim woman in the Myebon camp told The Irrawaddy news magazine recently: "We need to agree to whatever they recognise us as, because we have two children… We have to worry for them."

The Myebon experiment shows that some are willing to sacrifice their political identity - and grasp at the straw of hope.
 
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FYI we have more FDI than you :jester::jester::jester:
Not for long.

It wasn't long at all.

unctad.org | Country Fact Sheets 2014

Myanmar FDI 2.8 billion in 2013

Bangladesh 1.6 billion in 2013

Here's a handy graph with Vietnam for reference. We're where Vietnam was around 10 years ago but we should be careful with FDI. Speculative FDI and hot capital (not counted as FDI) can be dangerous so we shouldn't be in an all out rush to bring it in.



edit: the image doesn't work, here's a link

Foreign direct investment, net inflows (BoP, current US$) | Data | Graph
 
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I haven't fallen for anything. I was using that report to highlight the need for a mixed development strategy, not compete with the likes of Bangladesh to be the cheapest and dirtiest workforce (you would proudly win that one). My country hasn't fallen for it either. If they had, they would have liberalised the financial sector and removed capital and foreign ownership controls which they have been doing only in controlled steps so we are hardly begging for FDI.

:haha: @ your comments about Thailand and Vietnam. Are you jealous because no one wants to come invest in your sh*t hole country? Do you think you can bridge the savings gap with your slave labour force turning out rags?:rofl: You would give your right testicle for your country to be a middle income economy. Thailand and Vietnam (along with Myanmar) have a debt/GDP ratio between 40 and 50% Do you think that's broke? I know debt is haram for you so you don't know about it but those are healthy numbers. Perhaps they should hire iadjani consultants next time. You are both an idiot and delusional but I will give you some credit for managing to write something coherent atleast.

Its about MM not Bangladesh. There are plenty of threads running and discussing BD economy. Our Savings/GDP is 30% and Investment/GDP 28% which alows us to have rooms to improve investment scenario without FDI. We are working hard to that. All our sectors are open for 100% FDI but foreigner have to face stiff competition from local investor and no ponzi scheme goes unnoticed here.

Lets talk about ponzi scheme economy that me and some of the Chinese members tried to educate Indians for the last few years and shown them the result since 2011.

FDI comes with an intention to take back investment with requisite profits.
Lets say I invest 100 dollar with an intention to take 200 dollars in 5 years. Its great at the beginning, as plenty of money coming in. But after some time when investor starts repatriate its profit, where will the green back come from? May be some from export (unlikely) but most of them have to be covered from more subsequent FDI and resource exploitation like mining. As years passes and enough f*cking is done all the ponzis starts fleeing as there is no more ponzi available to invest anymore. There comes the situation Thailand. Left alone in its 40's with nobody to pay for the fck anymore.

Thank you and welcome to the club of ponzis.

PS: Talk to any BD person and Thailand/Vietnam/MM will come at the bottom to feel jealous about. A lot of people will bring example of Malaysia and revere Japan or Korea. Thailand, Myanmar??.. ohhh God :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:



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Its about MM not Bangladesh. There are plenty of threads running and discussing BD economy. Our Savings/GDP is 30% and Investment/GDP 28% which alows us to have rooms to improve investment scenario without FDI.

Very good piont @iajdani. One thing about the Bangladeshi economy is that tho it is developing, relevant members in Government have the foresight to take advantage of SEZ that will definitely lead to increases in FDIs into the country, and will lead to increase the manufacturing capacity of Bangladesh in the immediate to mid term future. One area that has definitely profited/ benefited has been Bangladesh' apparel industry, which had increased its export to Japan from $73 million in 2009 to $572 million in 2014. An 8x growth in 5 years time. What I await is the SEZ that is to be developed for Japan in Chittagong. And I still look forward to joint development of Sonidia Deep Sea Port. ;)

http://www.bangladesh-bank.org/governor/speech/sep062014gse566.pdf
 
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aaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha how funny it is when you are quoting a report but refusing its statement lol

Gas export and Ponzi scheme are the near term quick fix for MM. Dont let him come back to you with circular logic... Within few minutes he will start name calling you. Very primitive.
 
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Its about MM not Bangladesh. There are plenty of threads running and discussing BD economy. Our Savings/GDP is 30% and Investment/GDP 28% which alows us to have rooms to improve investment scenario without FDI. We are working hard to that. All our sectors are open for 100% FDI but foreigner have to face stiff competition from local investor and no ponzi scheme goes unnoticed here.

Lets talk about ponzi scheme economy that I and some of the Chinese members tried to educate Indians for the last few years and shown them the result since 2011.

FDI comes with an intention to take back investment with requisite profits.
Lets say I invest 100 dollar with an intention to take 200 dollars in 5 years. Its great at the beginning, as plenty of money coming in. But after some time when investor starts repatriate its profit, where will the green back come from? May be some from export (unlikely) but most of them have to be covered from more FDI and resource exploitation like mining. As years passes and enough f*cking is done all the ponzis starts fleeing as there is no more ponzi available to invest anymore. There comes the situation Thailand. Left alone in its 40's with nobody to pay for the fck anymore.

Thank you and welcome to the club of ponzis.

PS: Talk to any BD person and Thailand/Vietnam/MM will come at the bottom to feel jealous about. A lot of people will bring example of Malaysia and revere Japan or Korea. Thailand, Myanmar??.. ohhh God :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:
jealous jealous....:cuckoo: My nwew knowledge today, Thai jealoud Bangladesh
 
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jealous jealous....:cuckoo: My nwew knowledge today, Thai jealoud Bangladesh

You're lucky you don't have to share a border with these "people". When I first came here, they told me my country was to be invaded by the mighty Bengali army under China's nuclear shield :laugh:

Its about MM not Bangladesh. There are plenty of threads running and discussing BD economy. Our Savings/GDP is 30% and Investment/GDP 28% which alows us to have rooms to improve investment scenario without FDI. We are working hard to that. All our sectors are open for 100% FDI but foreigner have to face stiff competition from local investor and no ponzi scheme goes unnoticed here.

Lets talk about ponzi scheme economy that me and some of the Chinese members tried to educate Indians for the last few years and shown them the result since 2011.

FDI comes with an intention to take back investment with requisite profits.
Lets say I invest 100 dollar with an intention to take 200 dollars in 5 years. Its great at the beginning, as plenty of money coming in. But after some time when investor starts repatriate its profit, where will the green back come from? May be some from export (unlikely) but most of them have to be covered from more subsequent FDI and resource exploitation like mining. As years passes and enough f*cking is done all the ponzis starts fleeing as there is no more ponzi available to invest anymore. There comes the situation Thailand. Left alone in its 40's with nobody to pay for the fck anymore.

Thank you and welcome to the club of ponzis.

PS: Talk to any BD person and Thailand/Vietnam/MM will come at the bottom to feel jealous about. A lot of people will bring example of Malaysia and revere Japan or Korea. Thailand, Myanmar??.. ohhh God :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:



MADOFF.jpeg

:omghaha: Like I said, you are a profoundly stupid and delusional man. But hey, atleast you have your looks. :omghaha:
 
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You're lucky you don't have to share a border with these "people". When I first came here, they told me my country was to be invaded by the mighty Bengali army under China's nuclear shield :laugh:



:omghaha: Like I said, you are a profoundly stupid and delusional man. But hey, atleast you have your looks. :omghaha:
In thailand, last year during Myanmar purge of Rohingya,.or Bengali, many ended up here in Thailand by boat. Public opinion seems against them, citing they are the laziest people. However some Sunni Thai muslim are pro them as immigrants. I think looks is very important for public opinion. They re not handsome, pretty by Thai standard.
 
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In thailand, last year during Myanmar purge of Rohingya,.or Bengali, many ended up here in Thailand by boat. Public opinion seems against them, citing they are the laziest people. However some Sunni Thai muslim are pro them as immigrants. I think looks is very important for public opinion. They re not handsome, pretty by Thai standard.

You should send them back to Myanmar, we do the same. If you don't do that, they will send more ugly and lazy people in your way. ;)
 
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In thailand, last year during Myanmar purge of Rohingya,.or Bengali, many ended up here in Thailand by boat. Public opinion seems against them, citing they are the laziest people. However some Sunni Thai muslim are pro them as immigrants. I think looks is very important for public opinion. They re not handsome, pretty by Thai standard.

Yes, there is an even larger Muslim population in Myanmar and the Rohingya problem causes a lot of friction in the other areas of the country. W.R.T. the Bangladeshis, there is the added dimension that they regard Western Myanmar (Arakan) as part of Bengal yet they don't want to allow their people back in. It makes the Rohingya situation even more sad.

You should send them back to Myanmar, we do the same. If you don't do that, they will send more ugly and lazy people in your way. ;)

You call your own kind ugly and lazy yet you have that picture as your avatar? :laugh: Those poor people. Betrayed by their own kind.
 
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You should send them back to Myanmar, we do the same. If you don't do that, they will send more ugly and lazy people in your way. ;)
Why don't hou accept gour own race?
Thailand has been changing border during these 100 years. Those who can prove to be descendant of Thai on foreign soil due to border change can ask for Thai citizenship. This includes Cambodian Thai.Some island is now Cambodia where it was Siam's. Those people mah apply Thai citizenship. Same is true for Burma soil Thai.

For new Bangali to come, they will.come after rainy season. Which is about this month. We have to do humanitarian again. Sending them back only sentence them to death. Receiving them is against our will as well. Luckily it seems they don't want to stay in Thailand but want to goto Malaysia. Those who want to stay is agsinst my will. My position is, we do humanitarian, but they need to find their own new houses soon.
 
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