Myanmar Defence Forum

[tarpitz]

ELM- 2022 ES MPA suite itself is sophiscated and one of the best in its class..

ELM- 2022 ES Airborne Maritime Surveillance AESA RADAR

The ELM-2022ES is a modern X-Band Multi-mode airborne maritime surveillance radar incorporating Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) technology and advanced features derived from the extensive operational experience of the ELM-2022 radar family.
The ELM-2022ES features high redundancy, graceful degradation, high-reliability and high mission availability.

Main Features

• AESA technology for high probability of target interception, high availability and graceful degradation
• Digital beam forming
• Long-range maritime surveillance, up to 200 nm (large targets detected up to the horizon)
• Detection of small targets in various sea states
• Range profile, ISAR and CSAR classification modes
• Strip and Spot Synthetic Aperture (SAR) imaging and GMTI as ISR support to ground operation
• Navigation and weather modes
• Integrated IFF/AIS system
• Air-to-Air mode
• ECCM capabilities

It is indeed a leapfrog technology for a small country like us.

 

[Aung Zaya]

Hmm,decent.Small 60 billion worth economies should be happy with that.
Meow.
Kira.

this is investment to protect our maritime EEZ.. i will get another 3 at the end of this year..
and it's a lot better than Dornier Do 228.. but Dornier Do 228 is also good one and enough for small maritime area country like BD..

BTW Myanmar's GDP is US$ 74B in 2015 according to IMF data.. and per capita is $1420 in 2015...
https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/country-data/myanmar-gdp-country-report
Bangladesh is US$ 240B in 2017 and per capita is 1500 in 2017.
in PPP , surprise..! BD is just US$ 4200 in 2017 and Myanmar is US$ 5953 in 2016.. now happy..?

 

[tarpitz]

Evolution of Frigates in Myanmar Navy

771 corvette is the first major surface ship built by Myanmar Navy in late 1990s.

F 11 frigate was the first frigate built by Myanmar Navy in 2010. Some people thoght that Myanmar frigate is a Chinese design. But infact it is just an enlarged version of 771 corvette.

F 12 used the same hull as F 11. But a lot of improvements can be seen ... such as hangar and RCS reduced superstructure.

F 14 is completely a new frigate though it maintains some features as F 12. The hull is very different from F 12 with stealth shape. Myanmar is now building fourth frigate which is larger than F 12 & 14 with 135 metre long and stealth features

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Bangladeshi population living below poverty line is more than the total population of Myanmar.
Your country is 5 times smaller than Myanmar.
But your population is 3 times larger than Myanmar.
And your GDP is just twice.
You are Not China. We are Not Luxemburg.
You still think that GDP per capita is not important in comparing Myn & BD economy?

 

[Aung Zaya]

PS : You'll get 3 MPA? You? WTF,dude,check your grammar!

so tell me which one is wrong grammatically in that sentense..? just usage is wrong.. u should learn first which one is grammar and which one is usage.. u will feel a lot better..

 

[Aung Zaya]

Per capita? Even Louxemburg has a MUCH higher GDP per capita than China,but whos economy is better? Per capita is pretty much worthless in comparison.
For GDP ( Nominal ) $240>$60-70 As usual
For GDP ( PPP ),Bangladesh's total is 580 billion (2014-15 ) and Myanmar is 280 billion,so we are around twice as large as you in PPP field,happy?

neither GDP nor per capita alone cant decide country's real economy state.. just compare with BD and Vietnam which is lower than ur GDP.. which is better..?

Bangladeshi population living below poverty line is moer than the total population of Myanmar.
Your country is 5 times smaller than Myanmar.
But your population is 3 times larger than Myanmar.
And your GDP is just twice.
You are Not China. We are Not Luxemburg.
You still think that GDP per capita is not important in comparing Myn & BD economy?

Good Shot.. bro he dont know where he live in..

 

[ghost250]

You got bigger coastline and borders with more countries so its expected.
PS : You'll get 3 MPA? You? WTF,dude,check your grammar!




Per capita? Even Louxemburg has a MUCH higher GDP per capita than China,but whos economy is better? Per capita is pretty much worthless in comparison.
For GDP ( Nominal ) $240>$60-70 As usual
For GDP ( PPP ),Bangladesh's total is 580 billion (2014-15 ) and Myanmar is 280 billion,so we are around twice as large as you in PPP field,happy?

Now don't come up comparing a 60-70 billion worth economy to Bangladesh's one ^_^
Thank you.


Kira.

ouff,not again bro..they have their strong sides nd we have ours..so,stop comparing ..

 

[Aung Zaya]

MAM 02 240mm MLRS
max range - 60Km

 

[alaungphaya]

I wish Myanmar all the luck but I think it's not good comparing Myanmar with Bangladesh because the economies of the two countries are in different levels so the comparison is unequal. Bangladesh's equal competitor would be Vietnam and Myanmar's equal competitor would be Laos or Cambodia.

So why is our military ranked above yours in every metric? I would say it was more than a fair comparison despite our economy being about half the size of yours. You won't get anywhere near Vietnam in your lifetime. You should aim for parity with Myanmar (though unlikely you will achieve it).

 

[alaungphaya]

See, I knew you will come up with another joke which is why I don't really interact with your kind. There is hardly anything more laughable than a monkey from a country that is even struggling to fight some rebel armies of teenagers, comments on others' martial capacity. Or are you talking about ancient wars? I can give you on that, every nation has something to boast while talking about that, even those primitive tribes of Andaman.

Be it troop numbers (including the paramilitary), military spending, level of manufacturing capability, we are already ahead of Myanmar and the difference will just continue to grow further. As I said, you should be comparing yourselves with countries of your level: Laos and Cambodia. I can understand aiming higher will make you achieve higher, but the way you boast things that are still way above your capabilities, it only makes you look like you are yet to achieve Homo Sapiens status.

I though wish Myanmar all the best. People in Bangladesh hardly know about this country. I hope Myanmar gets more visible on the global stage positively.

You can insult us as much as you want but nothing you say is true. You are no match for us militarily. Your budget is below ours according to exchange rate adjusted figures from SIPRI ($3.2B vs $2.5 for BD in 2015)

https://www.sipri.org/military-expenditure-map

You have fewer armed forces (500k vs 220k)

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.TOTL.P1

You have a much weaker airforce (common knowledge), much fewer tanks (common knowledge), a much weaker air defence network (common knowledge), no capacity for air launched ASMs and no attack helicopters. Even your navy is only about on par with ours and that's because of two crapped out submarines (which we are about to acquire soon anyway).

We can also manufacture (not just assemble, actually manufacture) armoured vehicles, frigates, small arms, small arms munitions, mortars and MLRS etc.

We also assemble our own aircraft, armour and IFV's. You have nothing close to this ability.

I am not boasting, I am just laying out the facts. It's up to you as to whether you are mature enough to face reality.

As for our global visibility, I am going to assume that you have never lived outside of your country. The international media have run stories about us non-stop for the past 5 years (no not just about Rohingyas). Do you ever read the BBC, Guardian, Straits Times, NYT? Ofcourse you don't.

I do admit, I don't have the same cordial intentions towards your nation and not just because of the Rohingyas (your population overspill). You guys are historically the underclass here. You used to work as coolies for the British. Now you work as ditch diggers, latrine cleaners, butchers, rickshaw drivers etc. here in Yangon. All good, honest work but to think that a nation of coolies can have the temerity to talk to us as if we are your equals offends me.

 

[Caan]

let's hope for the best for both countries, BD and MYM . back to the topic guys

Do you have LST ships and oil tankers?
thanks for sharing

 

[tarpitz]

So as I thought, as*-kissing by some trolls has rotted your brain. That's what happens when people with low comprehension ability spend too much time on online forums.

Myanmar's economy is 1/4th of Bangladesh, you are nowhere near us. We have a much larger industrial base as well as a pool of seasoned domestic entrepreneurs with a good amount of capital.

Talking about military, which index are you referring to? Global Firepower? Their source is wikipedia and user contributions.

Despite the fact that military modernization has just begun since 2009, we already have a more powerful Navy than yours, our Army is more professional and better trained than Tatmadaw and if we include our huge paramilitary, you won't even be seen anywhere near. However, Airforce remains a weakness. But given that we are now taking our military modernization as a top priority, it is just a matter of time before our conventional military strength is on par with at least Pakistan. Myanmar has never been a benchmark for us, simply because nobody here cares about this country other than the Rohingya issue. Our threat perception is also centered around India.

Powerful Navy of Bangladesh?
Best joke of the year.
You have 6 frigates. Out of 6 frigates, 5 are older than their commanding officers of those ships. All 5 ships were launched between 1970s and 1980s.
The newest frigate BNS Bangabandhu was launched in 2001. BNS Bangabandhu is a problematic frigate. It was recommissioned again and again.
No need to mention about your Ming class subs.
International Naval analysts regarded your navy as an old and junk one.
Your navy is just like a powerful Naval Museum with old ships. Not a powerful navy.

Wanna talk about ECONOMY?
Never forget that number of people living below poverty line in Bangladesh is more than the total population of Myanmar.
That is the reason why many Bangladeshis illegally migrated into Myanmar as so called Rohingya.

ur soldiers still wear sandels but u r shouting about ur defence industry..??!!...really??.first give them a pair of fine boot..

Never forget that you have a military with the history of Mutiny.
Your generals and families were killed by their own soldiers.
Rebellion against authority is a shame.
Very very undisciplined military you have.
Before talking about other countries, just train you soldiers to behave like the soldiers.
Equipment can be upgraded but history cannot be hidden.

 

[Nilgiri]

Powerful Navy of Bangladesh?
Best joke of the year.
You have 6 frigates. Out of 6 frigates, 5 are older than their commanding officers of those ships. All 5 ships were launched between 1970s and 1980s.
The newest frigate BNS Bangabandhu was launched in 2001. BNS Bangabandhu is a problematic frigate. It was recommissioned again and again.
No need to mention about your Ming class subs.
International Naval analysts regarded your navy as an old and junk one.
Your navy is just like a powerful Naval Museum with old ships. Not a powerful navy.

Wanna talk about ECONOMY?
Never forget that number of people living below poverty line in Bangladesh is more than the total population of Myanmar.
That is the reason why many Bangladeshis illegally migrated into Myanmar as so called Rohingya.



Never forget that you have a military with the history of Mutiny.
Your generals and families were killed by their own soldiers.
Rebellion against authority is a shame.
Very very undisciplined military you have.
Before talking about other countries, just train you soldiers to behave like the soldiers.
Equipment can be upgraded but history cannot be hidden.

I was wondering bro are you Chinese or Myanmar national?

 

[tarpitz]

I was wondering bro are you Chinese or Myanmar national?

A Myanmar citizen of Chinese descent living and working in China.

Upgraded version of Mi 2 light observation helicopter.

 

[Nike]

hmmm Indonesian Navy own at least 11 fully functional Mi 2 Hoplite but never officially accepted them because of working paper and legal mess, what a pity though. So they still using Bo105 scout and light attack copter

 

[tarpitz]

See, you have to rely on outdated data to substantiate your fake boast. Let me show you the latest ones.

Military budget: In 2016, total defence budget of Bangladesh was $2.8 billion (http://www.janes.com/article/60959/bangladesh-boosts-defence-budget), if internal security budget is included it will stand at some $6-7 billion, For Myanmar it's what $2.4 billion? The most important point is the budget for Bangladesh is increasing but for Myanmar it's decreasing every year.

Troops: We have have added two new divisions since the date your source had its information while another two divisions are under the process of being added. Now if we include our paramilitary forces as well like how tatmadaw does, it will stand at 6 million. I am not going to mention your numbers since they are nowhere near close.

Manufacturing: You do know about our private industrial capacity be it shipbuilding, electronics, ICT? It's way higher than what you could have in a decade. This could easily be transformed into military manufacturing. In any case, our defence inudustry is already being modernized and with increasing budget it will grow further.

As for my outside residence, yes I have lived out of my country and with privileges which you could never be able to have. You think people all over the world are glued to the international news page of these media outlets to know about your country? Though, you do have achieved some sort of visibility in the Muslim countries, however, as primitive tribal people.

Okay, I don't want to do this but have you ever heard of the term "scheduled castes" or the "untouchables" or "Adivasis"? That's how your lot is known in the subcontinent. Heck, even touching you lot is considered a sin by many. And I really don't want to write down the details on how you people are treated, as that will just make the mods putting me into rest. However, google is your friend.

I really don't have to rely on some filthy literature by some primitive monks (from where you got your information) on who were who during the British rule. The Imperial Gazetteers are publically available online and they do tell me that people from our region used to work as civil servants and military personnel in Burma, ruling over your people, perhaps, that's where your grudge comes from.

My wishes were in good intentions, coming out of sympathy to your deplorable situation. I, however, don't know if giving good wishes is considered a good or bad omen in your tribe.

Don't talk too much.
It is very simple that you have only two neighbours, India and Myanmar. But both India and Myanmar are trying to fence their borders along Bangladesh. It means that Bangladesh people are going to be surrounded by the fence very soon. India and Myanmar fenced their borders because they thought Bangladesh is a failed state and they afraid that people of Bangladesh might still mass migrated into their countries.