My Question ? If JF 17 is capable enough why we are purchasing even used F16

[Malik Alashter]

There is no rocket science in the strategy, however you described it all wrong.
Pakistan has investments, skills, operations, roles and weapons developed for F-16 platform, which we have to utilize and maintain, until we are done producing JF-17 in large numbers.
It is expected that in future, J-17 will evolve further and F-16 will fade away, this is why PAF is not investing in brand new F-16.

Ok.

 

[ssethii]

when our neighbor has half a dozen platforms at their disposal why do we restrict ourselves to one and only one platform.

 

[That Guy]

My Question ? If JF 17 is capable enough why we are purchasing even used F16

This question has been talked about to death. The Jf-17s are a long term investment, and will take time to build up even a single squadron. The F-16s are already made, and all that's needed is to assign them to a squadron. Plus, second hand F-16s are about the same price as a JF-17, if not a bit more expensive, so it works out.

There is no rocket science in the strategy, however you described it all wrong.
Pakistan has investments, skills, operations, roles and weapons developed for F-16 platform, which we have to utilize and maintain, until we are done producing JF-17 in large numbers.
It is expected that in future, J-17 will evolve further and F-16 will fade away, this is why PAF is not investing in brand new F-16.

The highlighted part is completely wrong.

PAF is still investing in F-16s, thus the purchase of a squadron of F-16s from Jordan last year. Also, the JF-17 isn't meant to replace the F-16s, rather, the F-16 will be replaced by a next gen fighter (whichever that may be).

 

[Thorough Pro]

Simple answer, Cost Vs. benefit (bang for the buck). You have a brand new Corolla for lets say 2,000,000 and then someone offers you a pretty good Camry for 1,000,000, you would be an idiot to not buy that.

My Question ? If JF 17 is capable enough why we are purchasing even used F16

 

[Beast]

F-16 is not light weight fighter. It is consider medium weight at 9-11tons. JF-17 is consider a light weight fighter at 6-7tons. Both different role.

 

[al_asad_al_mulk]

Simple answer, Cost Vs. benefit (bang for the buck). You have a brand new Corolla for lets say 2,000,000 and then someone offers you a pretty good Camry for 1,000,000, you would be an idiot to not buy that.

Its mean F 16 is better than JF 17 ?

F 16 developed 30 years back still superior to J F 17?

 

[Thorough Pro]

It is! Old is not obsolete!

It was developed some 40 years ago (not 30) but that does not mean that the 40 year old F-16 is better than current JF-17.

The fact that it was developed 40 years ago and has constantly been evolving and improving is the reason for it being better than many other newer platforms. There are hundreds of thousands of flying hours on this machine around the world with many combat engagements, all that feed back helped it to evolve it into a supreme fighting machine. There is no short cut to experience, given the same time frame, JF-17 would also evolve and improve to become an icon in it's class. patience and perseverance are the keys to success.

Its mean F 16 is better than JF 17 ?

F 16 developed 30 years back still superior to J F 17?

 

[Thorough Pro]

I just hope none of your neighbours has a dozen kids.

when our neighbor has half a dozen platforms at their disposal why do we restrict ourselves to one and only one platform.

 

[Yazp]

My Question ? If JF 17 is capable enough why we are purchasing even used F16

The F16 is BY FAR the best Air to air combat aircraft TO DATE.
It even beats the F35 Lighting in dog fights:
The F-35 Can't Beat The Plane It's Replacing In A Dogfight: Report
US latest F-35 stealth jet is beaten in dogfight by F-16 from 1970s | Daily Mail Online

Our JF17s are no match for the F16s. Sure we can replace the F7PG with JF17s, but replacing the F16 is a very bad idea.

 

[OTTOMAN]

The highlighted part is completely wrong.

PAF is still investing in F-16s, thus the purchase of a squadron of F-16s from Jordan last year. Also, the JF-17 isn't meant to replace the F-16s, rather, the F-16 will be replaced by a next gen fighter (whichever that may be).

I know you are hurt, because I catch your foreign friend with simmering hate for Pakistan.
Well I say you are completely wrong... because I categorically wrote 'brand new F-16' whereas Jordanian airframes were decades old.
Now come back when Pakistan will be buying 'BRAND NEW F-16'

F-16 is not light weight fighter. It is consider medium weight at 9-11tons. JF-17 is consider a light weight fighter at 6-7tons. Both different role.

Sorry, JF-17 is multi role and so is F-16 with higher pay load and loitering.
When comparing JF-17 with F-16 we need to know first, which block of F-16 are we talking here?
According to PAF JF-17 (less payload and loitering) slightly lacks F-16 blk52 in capabilities.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Simple answer for me.
F-16's radar and aim-120 AMRAAM missile.I would go toe to toe with an mki with that.
I wouldn't go toe to toe against an mki with current jf-17 chinese radar and unproven chinese sd-10.Not without support.
AIM-120C AMRAAM is best BVR on the subcontinent - its a great equalizer and will be respected by all IAF aircraft,and will remain so until mica/meteor are introduced.
Range and payload are additional bonuses.

Imo,f-16 is steel tip of the lance as far PAF is concerned.The rest are the body.Someday jf-17 may take over the role but not yet.

 

[HariPrasad]

F 16 is a potent aircraft and will cause some concern for enemies of Pakistan Which JF 17 can not cause.

 

[Last Samuri]

f16 easily the best that paf have regardless of which block..

It is the only plane in paf arsenal that can go toe to toe with

Su30mki and upgraded mig29 and mica upgraded mirage2000.

Thunders are a useful nos filler but you can't win any airwar with thunders.

Too small too limited in range and load and only chinease avionics

 

[SipahSalar]

Because F-16 Block 52 is the best 4th gen out there in terms of ECM, Avionics, Mapping etc.

 

[Beta-Fighter]

and your argument is irrelevant because LCA is also a light weight class aircraft -- you were the one harping about how much load M2K can carry guess what, with 95-98 KN engine and that huge a load, your T/W comes down quite a bit --

BTW, I wonder why Wikipedia was quoted with its "t/w ratio article", and not the specs from individual articles on both aircrafts -- oh I get it -- thats cuz the T/W ratio mentioned on the M2K with loaded weight is 0.7 as mentioned in wiki ... cant have the JFT having a spec advantage now can we...

Dassault Mirage 2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


so being from chinese origin means its not up to the mark -- good --- noted -- I suppose IAF can beat the PLAAF in a matter of days seeing how the PLAAF has all that "backward chinese equipment"

If Chinese origin was soo good then you why asking Italy and French to provide radars and EW suit . only when both denied you have no option left other then Chinese.