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Our friends in Pakistan should listen to this with open heart and ears. This is not an Afghan speaking but one of your ambassador talking.

The truth is ( no hard feelings as an Afghan ) that there are no morality in state relations, so before one of you starts lecturing Afghans on being haram khor and garbage like that, I ask you to listen to one of your own.


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A-Team, I am still waiting for some valid references that Afghanistan has offered Pakistan that China could be a neutral observer in Afghanistan to verify whether Indian sponsored terrorists are roaming free in Afghanistan. And that Pakistan refused to accept the offer.
 
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A-Team, I am still waiting for some valid references that Afghanistan has offered Pakistan that China could be a neutral observer in Afghanistan to verify whether Indian sponsored terrorists are roaming free in Afghanistan. And that Pakistan refused to accept the offer.

I dont have the meeting minutes but I will try to post some material where the Afghan officials were on the record.

Thanks
 
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Our friends in Pakistan should listen to this with open heart and ears. This is not an Afghan speaking but one of your ambassador talking.

The truth is ( no hard feelings as an Afghan ) that there are no morality in state relations, so before one of you starts lecturing Afghans on being haram khor and garbage like that, I ask you to listen to one of your own.


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He will be labeled as mr hussain haquani 2
 
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I dont have the meeting minutes but I will try to post some material where the Afghan officials were on the record.

Thanks

Afghan officials on record or Pakistan officials on record is not the same thing as a concrete diplomatic proposal. But anyway it would be interesting to read more about this very tangible solution.
 
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He will be labeled as mr hussain haquani 2

Exactly, he is already being termed as a traitor :P but mind you the ambassador as I remember when he was the active ambassador in kabul, went full force to achieve pakistani interests. I have seen how he pushed hard to realize some of the pakistani prisoners who back in 2000s when they were apprehended by the new Kabul gov as part of the Afghan tali foot soldiers.

Pakistan actually airlifted thousands of Pak military officials, and intelligence folks from Kunduz.

Anyways since he speaks the truth now, he is a traitor in the eyes of Pakistanis, :)
 
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Our friends in Pakistan should listen to this with open heart and ears. This is not an Afghan speaking but one of your ambassador talking.

The truth is ( no hard feelings as an Afghan ) that there are no morality in state relations, so before one of you starts lecturing Afghans on being haram khor and garbage like that, I ask you to listen to one of your own.


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why didn't Kabul and ISAF respond when Pakistan asked them to man the border one week before Zarb Azb.That would have been perfect time for you to keep check on Quetta shura you always talk about.
What has US and the entire Nato done in last 15 years to tackle the Quetta shura you talk about everyday, if they work and move so openely in Quetta why dosent US take them out?????
 
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why didn't Kabul and ISAF respond when Pakistan asked them to man the border one week before Zarb Azb.That would have been perfect time for you to keep check on Quetta shura you always talk about.
What has US and the entire Nato done in last 15 years to tackle the Quetta shura you talk about everyday, if they work and move so openely in Quetta why dosent US take them out?????

Did you bother listening to the video?

Quetta is in Pakistan, not in Afghanistan or the US, are you seriously asking the US to take out someone in Quetta, Pakistan :)

Anyways Mullah Mansoor was taken out in Balochistan, wasn't he?

These are besides the point that video is making, which is Pakistan has always done whatever suits her interests, even sold people for money, Musharaf takes credit for it. I don't mind Pakistani doing what she deems necessary for her interests but can you guys stop acting like hypcrote and name calling when Afghanistan does the same?

Looking the mirror at times, helps alot.
 
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Did you bother listening to the video?

Quetta is in Pakistan, not in Afghanistan or the US, are you seriously asking the US to take out someone in Quetta, Pakistan :)

Anyways Mullah Mansoor was taken out in Balochistan, wasn't he?

These are besides the point that video is making, which is Pakistan has always done whatever suits her interests, even sold people for money, Musharaf takes credit for it. I don't mind Pakistani doing what she deems necessary for her interests but can you guys stop acting like hypcrote and name calling when Afghanistan does the same?

Looking the mirror at times, helps alot.
there is no shame in nieling down against bigger power, we did the same you should too if you want peace but it dosent seems like it.
@pakistani342 raised a very good point about Cuba and what US did to them when they hosted the Missiles, why shouldn't we protect ourselfs.
It was,is and will be Pakistan first always. ! . Pakistan is the nation which helps muslims all over the world
From palestine, bosnia,africa, kashmir and afghanistan. It was Pakistan alone and none of the rest of so called muslims spread around the world
 
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this guy is talking garbage when you know he starts the history of conflict in Afghanistan from 1980 and then he is making up rubbish on Mushraff..and sympathizes with known terrorist Afia Siddiqi...the Pak-Afghan conflict starts from 1947 when Afghanistan refuses to accecpt the border and in 1951 when it begins to stir greater Pushtonistan movement with the backing of soviet union..
 
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These are besides the point that video is making, which is Pakistan has always done whatever suits her interests, even sold people for money, Musharaf takes credit for it. I don't mind Pakistani doing what she deems necessary for her interests but can you guys stop acting like hypcrote and name calling when Afghanistan does the same
certainly
Pakistan will and is doing what suits us best as is Afghanistan
but the thing is everything is going as kabul or islamabad wants
they need to cooperate and the best way is the NDS-ISI intelligence sharing deal which was blown off
it must be reinforced
its only then Pakistan will have to take Afghan allegations as serious because it will be a matter of international affairs
right now everything is going on planned course by others not by Islamabad or Kabul
hope Afghans can take this stone in their chest
Ghani tried to but was bitten by northern alliance leaders
right now the only bid to secure dying Pak-Afghan ties is that deal
hope you understand the point
bro with all due respect i do agree about hypocrate and name calling should stop from Pakistan but realize that it started from Afghanistan and still no Pakistani govt official has been involved in name calling but civillians in PDF and FB
 
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Our friends in Pakistan should listen to this with open heart and ears. This is not an Afghan speaking but one of your ambassador talking.

The truth is ( no hard feelings as an Afghan ) that there are no morality in state relations, so before one of you starts lecturing Afghans on being haram khor and garbage like that, I ask you to listen to one of your own.


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take back your refugees and dont bring crime into our country....accept the internationally recognized border and if you want to come to Pakistan, come legally......dont do india's bidding of allowing your soil to be used against us and all will be well!!!!!! Hand over Fazlullah and the others, and we will be appreciative.

fail to do these steps - and we will take whatever action we feel necessary!!!!!! Be proper neighbors, you'll be treated like one.

THAT IS ALL

These are besides the point that video is making, which is Pakistan has always done whatever suits her interests,

ummm, every country does that :what:

even sold people for money

every govt. and warlord in your country is for rent to the highest bidder
 
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take back your refugees and dont bring crime into our country....accept the internationally recognized border and if you want to come to Pakistan, come legally......dont do india's bidding of allowing your soil to be used against us and all will be well!!!!!! Hand over Fazlullah and the others, and we will be appreciative.

fail to do these steps - and we will take whatever action we feel necessary!!!!!! Be proper neighbors, you'll be treated like one.

THAT IS ALL



ummm, every country does that :what:



every govt. and warlord in your country is for rent to the highest bidder

Fair enough, since you have raised your demands here is a couple of the Afghan side.

- handover Afghan Talis,including Haqqani and stop all their support infrastructure and stop graduating anti afghan elements in your madrassas. Haqqani madrassas are acting like yale and stanford in Pakistan :P
- stop screwing around with the transit routes, this is an agreed right of the landlocked country
- Afghanistan will have relations with India like any other country does, you cant dictate that. but Gurrantee will be given that Afghan soil wont be used against Pakistan.
- Afghan refugees are already returning.

Sounds good to you ?
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there is no shame in nieling down against bigger power, we did the same you should too if you want peace but it dosent seems like it.
@pakistani342 raised a very good point about Cuba and what US did to them when they hosted the Missiles, why shouldn't we protect ourselfs.
It was,is and will be Pakistan first always. ! . Pakistan is the nation which helps muslims all over the world
From palestine, bosnia,africa, kashmir and afghanistan. It was Pakistan alone and none of the rest of so called muslims spread around the world

@A-Team

Not to give Pakistan a pass at all -- but to me what is good for the goose is good for the gander. To evaluate Pakistan's bad behavior -- we can look at what other states did or would have done, had the shoe been on the other foot -- a small sampling

1. Afghanistan -- support for Baluch separatists, support for Pashtoonistan -- which was essentially supporting the equivalent of Taliban --
2. India [World's largest democracy] -- forcefully annexed HayderAbad, Goa, Sikkim and used totally different principles vis-a-vis Kashmir. Supported Mukti Bhani (terrorists) to split Pakistan into two. Controls the foreign policy of Bhutan. Intervention in Sri Lanka; support for the LTTE (terrorists)
3. USA [World most powerful liberal democracy and leader of the free world] -- Treatment of Cuba after missile crisis, Haiti/Panama episode in 1990s, Annexation of: Texas, civil war, annexation of New Mexico, California, [current day Arizona]; Monroe doctrine: that the US would be the pre-eminent power in the Latin America
4. Israel [Liberal democracy] -- annexation of territories outside the 1948 lines -- denial to a new Palestinian state of having a full defense force -- insistence that Israel will keep bases in a new Palestinian state.

Fair enough, since you have raised your demands here is a couple of the Afghan side.

- handover Afghan Talis,including Haqqani and stop all their support infrastructure and stop graduating anti afghan elements in your madrassas. Haqqani madrassas are acting like yale and stanford in Pakistan :P
- stop screwing around with the transit routes, this is an agreed right of the landlocked country
- Afghanistan will have relations with India like any other country does, you cant dictate that. but Gurrantee will be given that Afghan soil wont be used against Pakistan.
- Afghan refugees are already returning.

Sounds good to you ?
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Actually "transit routes are not as simple as stated by Afghanistan" -- see Israel vs Gaza
1. Pakistan can easily deny Afghanistan access to the sea:
a. Claiming Afghanistan is a belligerent -- this is akin to a Naval blockade (declaration of war)
b. Afghanistan is a security threat -- which it is (weapons are smuggled from Afghanistan into Pakistan)
c. Afghanistan is a narcotic threat -- drugs are smuggles into Afghanistan from Pakistan
d. The national treatment to Afghanistan was granted in APPTA because of US pressure -- National treatment of Afghan transports is not required under the law of the sea
e. Pakistan can impart addition friction (regulatory, malfeasance by short staffing functions) on Afghan transports
f. The access to the Sea and not India
2. Turkmenistan, Kyrgistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan are also landlocked states and Afghanistan has to grant them the rights to access Pakistan or Pakistani ports (while Pakistan only has to grant Afghanistan access to the sea)
 
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