Muslim group says Dr. Kalam was not a Muslim as he prayed to idols and respected gurus

[Jackdaws]

He was an Indian who happened to be a Muslim. I've read books of and on various religions. Respecting other religions is a sign of tolerance. It also shows you are not insecure about your own faith and ideals.

 

[Hamza913]

He is called the missile man. And ironically he, a Muslim, build missiles to hit Pakistan, a country that was found for sub continent muslims.

IMO, he was a staunch nationalist.

Hence a kafir, his Islam is nullified by this act alone.

 

[locknload]

He was an Indian who happened to be a Muslim. I've read books of and on various religions. Respecting other religions is a sign of tolerance. It also shows you are not insecure about your own faith and ideals.

You're not allowed to respect other belief systems/religions under islam.

The revised more PC quran and hadith editions refer to non muslims as "wrong doers", the original quran and hadiths command muslims to kill, conquer, subjugate, convert the whole world..violence, war and killing, that's about it, it doesn't say much of anything else.

 

[Hamza913]

He just refused to get Arabised unlike the way you warmly embraced it.

Technically, music is also not allowed in your religion. Especially the kind that comes out these days.

Do you not listen to music?

Self-harm is also not allowed in your religion. You smoke and you drink.

Both not allowed.

Having physical relations with women before wedding is not allowed. Don't tell me your folks don't have girlfriends and are involved with them.

Just by following certain aspects of Arabia and rejecting other aspects, you are not a pure Muslim either as a country.

Saudi as a country (regardless of how their royals may be) truly practises what it preaches. No hypocrisy.

I am not saying good or bad, but they themselves do your religion tells. They're honest about it.

They don't drink, don't smoke, music is not allowed, movies not allowed, public display of affection not allowed.

And they follow it to the boot.

Music is a debatable issue, but yes modern music is definitely haram. Hence why I don't listen to it.

Correct! Self harm isn't allowed. However, how far the boundary goes is (again) debatable. Drinking, however is definitely forbidden and most Muslims abstain from it (Pakistan has one of the lowest rates of alcohol consumption worldwide). I abstain from drinking and smoking myself, although I have smoked in the past and vaped.

About girlfriends, this is frowned upon in many Muslim cultures. I haven't and don't intend on getting a girlfriend either.

Saudi Arabia is pretty hypocritical too. Just look at their actions in Yemen or how they disobey their own laws.

 

[Corona]

Hence a kafir, his Islam is nullified by this act alone.

Unfortunately, the real world doesn't work this way mate. Just cause a Muslim guy did something against a Muslim nation doesn't mean he is any less Muslim. If that was the case, then who is the kafir in the Middle East? How about Bangladesh? Were they kafirs for standing against oppression?
Who is the kafir when some idiot decides to blow himself up? The moron who self detonated for his 'religion' or the innocent Muslim people who didn't want to die, but still died in the blast?

 

[Hamza913]

You're not allowed to respect other belief systems/religions under islam.

The revised more PC quran and hadith editions refer to non muslims as "wrong doers", the original quran and hadiths command muslims to kill, conquer, subjugate, convert the whole world..violence, war and killing, that's about it, it doesn't say much of anything else.

Depends on your definition of respect. If by respect you mean praise it, then no we won't do that. But if by respect you mean not insult, we'll only oblige if non Muslims do. But these days, you guys insult our faith frequently so we will do the same.

The PC Quran and hadith translations are rejected by 99% of Muslims FYI.

Unfortunately, the real world doesn't work this way mate. Just cause a Muslim guy did something against a Muslim nation doesn't mean he is any less Muslim. If that was the case, then who is the kafir in the Middle East? How about Bangladesh? Were they kafirs for standing against oppression?
Who is the kafir when some idiot decides to blow himself up? The moron who self detonated for his 'religion' or the innocent Muslim people who didn't want to die, but still died in the blast?

Yes it does. This isn't objective, this is based on Islamic law. I can do mental gymnastics around you and just about any non Muslim on this topic.

In the Middle East, most (maybe even all) nations are kafir/munafiq.

Bangladesh is a kafir nation for trying to cede away from Pakistan based on ethnic nationalsim, and for killing over 100,000 non Bengali civilians in the process.

The moron who blew himself up could be misguided, but he won't be a guaranteed kafir. Same for the Muslims he killed.

the religion might have originated from arab doesn't mean you adopt arab culture itself , have a look at indonesia & bangladesh

Both kafir nations like pretty much every other so called Islamic nation.

 

[Corona]

Depends on your definition of respect. If by respect you mean praise it, then no we won't do that. But if by respect you mean not insult, we'll only oblige if non Muslims do. But these days, you guys insult our faith frequently so we will do the same.

The PC Quran and hadith translations are rejected by 99% of Muslims FYI.



Yes it does. This isn't objective, this is based on Islamic law. I can do mental gymnastics around you and just about any non Muslim on this topic.

In the Middle East, most (maybe even all) nations are kafir/munafiq.

Bangladesh is a kafir nation for trying to cede away from Pakistan based on ethnic nationalsim, and for killing over 100,000 non Bengali civilians in the process.

The moron who blew himself up could be misguided, but he won't be a guaranteed kafir. Same for the Muslims he killed.

So basically every country on earth is kafir except the most medieval, the most totalitarian Muslim country with religious zealots for leaders. And also you're totally OK with suicide bombings. Yep, thanks for clarifying that.

By the way, Pakistan is a big ally of China, and China is suppressing Uyghurs in some of their regions. Do you consider China to be a kafir country, and by extension Pakistan too?

 

[Soumitra]

Depends on your definition of respect. If by respect you mean praise it, then no we won't do that. But if by respect you mean not insult, we'll only oblige if non Muslims do. But these days, you guys insult our faith frequently so we will do the same.

The PC Quran and hadith translations are rejected by 99% of Muslims FYI.



Yes it does. This isn't objective, this is based on Islamic law. I can do mental gymnastics around you and just about any non Muslim on this topic.

In the Middle East, most (maybe even all) nations are kafir/munafiq.

Bangladesh is a kafir nation for trying to cede away from Pakistan based on ethnic nationalsim, and for killing over 100,000 non Bengali civilians in the process.

The moron who blew himself up could be misguided, but he won't be a guaranteed kafir. Same for the Muslims he killed.



Both kafir nations like pretty much every other so called Islamic nation.

I thought @Zarvan was the most islamist poster on PDF but maulana ahab you are giving him a tough fight

 

[Corona]

I thought @Zarvan was the most islamist poster on PDF but maulana ahab you are giving him a tough fight

He thinks that the dirt under his foot is the most pious place on earth and everything else is kafir.

 

[PDF]

@Horus @Irfan Baloch @WAJsal Please lock this thread.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

http://www.opindia.com/2017/07/musl...im-as-he-prayed-to-idols-and-respected-gurus/
Muslim group says Dr. Kalam was not a Muslim as he prayed to idols and respected gurus

On 27th July, Prime Minister Narendra Modi inaugurated the memorial dedicated to India’s ex-President and ‘missile man’ APJ Abdul Kalam on his 2nd death anniversary. This memorial was built by a dedicated force of 450 workers, who had demanded no extra money even though they had worked for extra time.

An imposing statue of Dr Kalam with a Veena was also installed inside the memorial:

The memorial has unfortunately resulted in various political and fringe groups using it as a pretext to create a religious controversy.

Initially, a Congress leader had questioned the need for putting a Veena in Dr. Kalam’s hand because he was a missile man and not any Veena artist. The truth is that Dr. Kalam was an expert playing that instrument, a fact that seems to have escaped the leader’s knowledge.

Another controversy erupted when political groups like the MDMK started questioning the presence of Bhagwat Gita in the statue. To quell the controversy, family members of Dr. Kalam also placed a copy of the Quran and Bible each to apparently ‘secularise’ things and also promised to place the Thirukkural soon.

This in turn led to a protest from Hindu Makkal Katchi, which lodged a police complaint about the Quran and Bible getting placed near the statue without proper authorisation. They also reportedly protested in front of the memorial which led to the cops removing the two holy books.

Now a Muslim group named Tamil Nadu Thowheed Jamath has decided to take things to a new low by making defamatory personal remarks against Dr. Kalam.

The Jamath claimed that Quran was not needed in front of the statue of Kalam, as he was not a Muslim. The group claimed that Dr. Kalam just had a Muslim name, and not a real Muslim because he apparently prayed to Hindu idols and gurus.

Incidentally, this is not for the first time that Dr. Kalam has been denied a Muslim identity. Way back when he was declared the Presidential candidate by the NDA, senior Congress leader and Muslim scholar Dr. Rafiq Zakaria too had declared that Dr. Kalam can’t be considered a Muslim as his favourite scripture was the Bhagvad Gita, and favourite deity was Krishna.

Yeah. He was the embodiment of Su-Dharma. Koti koti pranaam.

 

[SQ8]

So my wahabi Muslim friend, what about Sufis and Shias who pray to tombs and shrines and dargahs and chadars?

Kufr?

How about statues (idols) of great men and women?

Kufr?

How about portraits of great men?

Kufr?

How about photos of great men on currency?

Kufr?

How about breaking a motherland and leaving half the fellow Muslims behind?

Kufr?

Cheers, Doc

A word pf caution when speaking about sufism- abida parveen swinging around or dances at shrines aren't representative of sufism as much as it is representative of remnants of cultural influences or deliberate attempts made by early sufi preachers to use the existing cultural practices and introduce the basic concepts of religion so that they integrate easily.

The issue here has nothing to do with Kufr or accusing anyone of it as the final judgment per the Quran is not yet made and the only authotity to make that judgement no longer sends messengers or openly appoints representatives per the same.

Hence, the role and status of any of these preachers and individuals is nothing more than ancillary derivatives trying to keep relevant and useful in a sphere of life which actually really does meed them. This is not confined to Islam but all beliefs and faith, which is always a personal journey that is shared eith others rather than imposed.