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Musharraf charged with Benazir's murder:Judiciary does it again

Is Nawaz Sharif afraid of Musharraf coming to power??Seems like South Asian politics....Charging Musharraf with Benazir's murder ensure's no opposition from PPP.You cannot scare the military into not seizing power by charging someone with an absurd murder case.
 
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Is Nawaz Sharif afraid of Musharraf coming to power??Seems like South Asian politics....Charging Musharraf with Benazir's murder ensure's no opposition from PPP.You cannot scare the military into not seizing power by charging someone with an absurd murder case.


Musharaf is a civilian now. Army has no business with him any more
the case is absurd, the selected judges are biased and all so called evidence is speculation and circumstantial.
any half decent defence team can rip the case to shreds even in the presence of the hostile judge

Judiciary knows it so they have all other absurd cases lined up against him to Musharaf for his "insolence". that way they are not only settling personal scores against him but also gaining approval from Nawaz Sherif.
 
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What a nutcase judiciary. They were there to provide justice but they took revenge of 2007.
 
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nooners and there logic uther pio to halal ither pio to haram
 
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Is he convicted? I don't think so.. And I am not expecting this, atleast not on BB Case.. It's pretty weak.
 
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No one is now talking about imunity, which AZ availed. In fact immunity is against actions taken as President of Pakistan and not for past deeds. Mush has the triumph card
Immunity is granted for smooth flow of office while a person holds it. It doesn't apply on the acts and person, rather the office.

what? so letting the country burn is ok for you?
While the country has been burning since 9/11. The establishment has been considering themselves as the thekaydars of Pakistan's interest. A similar position was held by military in Turkey and yet Turkey developed under the civilian leadership.
 
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what? so letting the country burn is ok for you?

Its a long debate but to summarize it - we need a working system of governance. If its not going to be democracy then please name another system which can take its place. Dictatorship works for a brief while then we are back to the same system which is in far worse condition because it was not allowed to work.

In a country like Pakistan where so many lingual, racial groups exist only democracy can work where every segment is provided some representation. The theory that Pakistan somehow always needs a dictator because politicians are corrupt is simply false. India has far far bigger problems then Pakistan but democracy has prevailed there. In Pakistan dictators had no holy purpose it was a battle for the throne and this country has reached a condition where this battle can simply not be allowed to go on. Army has a specific purpose which is best served in the barracks not in the PM house.

Why do you think TTP has the nerve to go around threatening the state like this? The reason is that Pakistan was turned into a complete joke because of constant Martial Laws. Dictators had no legal right to govern yet they ignored the law and made a mockery out of the constitution. Result is that now we have these fringe groups who also think that the right to govern is not through consent but through power.
 
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Is he convicted? I don't think so.. And I am not expecting this, atleast not on BB Case.. It's pretty weak.
He had denied the charges. However, it depends upon the prosecution that how solid evidence does it have in favor. Mush's orders to clean the crime scene can itself be converted into a charge of attempt to influence/manipulate the investigation.
 
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Immunity is granted for smooth flow of office while a person holds it. It doesn't apply on the acts and person, rather the office.

Immunity of the person is for his acts in the office. Moreover, implicating President of Pakistan in just anything is absurd. Thing to understand it that President alone does not run the country. He is assisted by a number of organisations and individuals. It has to be established that Gen Musharraf gave a direct order for her assassination. Conspiracy theories cannot be made basis of a legal proceeding. Under legal proceedings circumstantial evidences have to be proved beyond reasonable doubt for a FAIR trial.

In a country like Pakistan where so many lingual, racial groups exist only democracy can work where every segment is provided some representation. The theory that Pakistan somehow always needs a dictator because politicians are corrupt is simply false. India has far far bigger problems then Pakistan but democracy has prevailed there.
In 66 hears of history politicians have proved to be inferior leaders/rulers/visionaries. This is not a sweeping statement, as facts can be verified from authentic sources. (for details please see World Needs A Change). Pakistan has shown best of economic indicators during military rule. Industry growth is maximum in Gen Ayub's tenure. Among the three main military rulers lowest indicators of Gen Zia's regime are better then any of the political governments. Just see what our last democratic government has done, they undid efforts of Gen Musharraf who got us out IMF trap. Today our IMF debt is umpteenth time higher then ever in the past. Again see the statistics on IMF site. Even the present government is following their foot prints, instead of reducing the debt.

Common man is most effected by indirect taxes like GST. Companies working as GST agent are in benefit in such type of tax and only class which suffers is end consumer, which in other words is called common man.
India has its own problems, may be much more in quantity and quantum as compared to Pakistan. They have been able to sustain democracy because, immediately after partition they went into land reforms and did not allow feudalism to flourish. On the contrary Pakistan's democracy has always been dependent on feudal lords. It is due to this reason dynasties are ruling this country. We see same people, some of them changing sides, with same old stories.

I regard Indira Gandhi for what India is today. She ruled with an iron hand, a democratically elected dictator who was sincere to the country. She banned each and every import, with the comment that whatever is needed has to be produced in India. Or else live without it. Generation of that time missed the imported luxuries, but today their generations are getting benefit of Industry.


In last PPP regime electricity charges have been revised at an average of 2% per month for last two years. Who is the sufferer? Common man.

Pick up anything and see how these politicians have humped the common man.

In Pakistan dictators had no holy purpose it was a battle for the throne and this country has reached a condition where this battle can simply not be allowed to go on.

It is battle for the throne everywhere. Do you think politicians want to serve the country? No my dear a ruler who wants to serve the country follows the example of Hazrat Umar and Hazrat Ali, who made themselves responsible for the unjust death of dog in their regime. Those who wore clothes same as the lowest income person under their rule and ate poorest of food. what do you expect from people who wears watches worth millions of dollars and sherwanis worth couple of hundred thousands.

Its a long debate but to summarize it - we need a working system of governance. If its not going to be democracy then please name another system which can take its place. Dictatorship works for a brief while then we are back to the same system which is in far worse condition because it was not allowed to work.

This is a million dollar question. Lets see what happens in the vanguard of democracy. In USA people democratically elect a dictator. I don't have to elaborate as it is evident to all, as to how Bush and Obama has been dictating, despite resistance from Congress and Senate. How UN resolutions have been blatantly molested in some of the international armed interventions.

No doubt that democracy is the solution for any country, but the point to ponder is how to safe guard the interest of people. Americans also went through a civil war and reached a conclusion that only strict laws can help nurture democracy. Unfortunately. in our country people of the power corridor always considered themselves above the law. Some people give example of Turkey. They fail to register that it was sincere dictatorship which lead to a strong democratic Turkey today.

What we need today is an iron hand who concentrates on implementation of law and administration of fair justice. Detachment of legislative assembly from administrative and development work. Sincere civil servants to honesty administer governance. A purely legislative assembly overseeing loop holes in the system and making appropriate laws to mend the gap.

Just by adding prefix of Democratic to the name Pakistan does not make it a successful democracy. It will always remain as DemocraZy like it is today.
 
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There is some justification for indictment of Musharraf as an accessary in Benazir case mainly because he was head of the state and she could have been provided with more security. But look at other decision of the Pakistani Courts.

1. Nowhere in the world has Judiciary ordered the Executive to try someone. Judiciary’s job is to decide on cases before it only. SC asked GOP to try Musharraf under article 6. Cleary case of judicial vindictiveness.

2. It is unthinkable to try Head of the State for the death of persons who took up arms against the State. Islamabad High has accepted to try Musharraf for the death of Lal Masjid Mullah. Baluchistan High Court is trying Musharraf for the death of Akbar Bugti. In both the cases the dead persons had defied GOP writ and fought Pak Army with guns!

Suppose tomorrow someone starts trying Zardari for the death of Taliban killed in Swat operation? Also should sons of all the thugs killed in fighting with the police sue the President for the death of their fathers?

3. All cases pertaining to Nawaz Sharif such as taking money from ISI (as in Gen Durrani’s affidavit) have been pushed under the carpet as well as the case against Arsalan Iftikhar.

There is no doubt that we cannot expect ‘Unbiased’ justice as long as the vindictive CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry is in power. In my view Ifitkhar Chaudhry is the worse Chief Justice since the horrible Munir.
 
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I hope he is convicted and hanged as soon as possible for his crimes against people of pakistan. I would love to see this criminal hanged in public.
 
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2 dam threads on 2 different sections? @mods where are you friends, plz merge the threads!
 
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